APO-THEOSIS

[AxelAchiLles]

Greetings, fellow practitioners.


Is Αpotheosis, in its broadest sense, the ultimate goal of every occult current?

Different traditions use different terms: Theurgy speaks of henosis or union with the Divine; Hermeticism of returning to the Nous; RHP systems emphasize purification and transcendence; while LHP traditions often pursue self-deification and the preservation of individual consciousness.

Could these be different expressions of the same initiatory process?

Through occult practice, do we first approach the Higher Self—the HGA, Daemon, Divine Spark, or True Will—and then move beyond it toward the ultimate source, whether called Godhead, the One, Ain Soph, or Chaos?

Or do these paths lead to fundamentally different ends? Is “union with God” truly compatible with “becoming a god,” or does the former require the dissolution of individuality while the latter seeks its divinization and preservation?

Is the Higher Self the final goal, a bridge toward something beyond the individual, or the divine principle through which apotheosis itself occurs?

 

[Morell]

No. LHP and RHP cannot have the same goal.

Imagine their goals to be places in a company. Same company on both cases. Then you get RHP seeks to being a worker, while LHP seeks being a CEO. Does that look the same to you?

 

[AxelAchiLles]

So, RHP has nothing to do with Theurgy? Both seems very much alike.

 

[Morell]

So, RHP has nothing to do with Theurgy? Both seems very much alike.

Personally I would say that LHP has nothing to do with theurgy, while RHP fits it very well.

In LHP you want to become god by evolving yourself into one. Not by merging, not by connecting with anything outside of you. It is not union with anything beyond you. You are no longer part of bigger system, you become alternative system of your own...

On RHP however you connect with the divine to become part of it, in a way adding yourself as another wheel into the machine or adding yourself as another battery to power that deity. RHP is service, conencting with others and with the divine to find your place in the system and to become unsepparable aprt of it.

 

[AxelAchiLles]

Hmm. I seem to get the notion of it, finally. Many thanks.

 

[Morell]

No problem. I lately notice that some supposedly LHP groups are in fact just very dark RHP groups. Serving gods, even though they are dark and possibly quite evil monsters... doesn't make path the left hand path.

 

[AxelAchiLles]

Can you elaborate on this " Serving gods, even though they are dark and possibly quite evil monsters. " ?

 

[Morell]

Can you elaborate on this " Serving gods, even though they are dark and possibly quite evil monsters. " ?

Sure.

I'll start little broad. Usual example of RHP is Christianity, where you serve Jesus in his cause and hope for a reward.
What I call dark RHP would be for example serving a demon in hope to get rewards. In some cases these offered services are truly evil.

Lately there was very well fitting example of very evil RHP, case of Danyal Hussein, who vowed to murder women continually and build a temple for a demon in exchange for power and money.

The Case of Danyal Hussein....!!!

In June 2021 an 19 year old named Danyal Hussein was convicted in the UK of the brutal murders of two sisters Bibba Henry and Nicole Smallman in a London park...!!! During the subsequent police investigation detectives uncovered a dark subculture of occult obsession in the teenager's life...

wizardforums.com

Spoiler: YT video, very long

 

[tatubonitoo]

Greetings, fellow practitioners.


Is Αpotheosis, in its broadest sense, the ultimate goal of every occult current?

Different traditions use different terms: Theurgy speaks of henosis or union with the Divine; Hermeticism of returning to the Nous; RHP systems emphasize purification and transcendence; while LHP traditions often pursue self-deification and the preservation of individual consciousness.

Could these be different expressions of the same initiatory process?

Through occult practice, do we first approach the Higher Self—the HGA, Daemon, Divine Spark, or True Will—and then move beyond it toward the ultimate source, whether called Godhead, the One, Ain Soph, or Chaos?

Or do these paths lead to fundamentally different ends? Is “union with God” truly compatible with “becoming a god,” or does the former require the dissolution of individuality while the latter seeks its divinization and preservation?

Is the Higher Self the final goal, a bridge toward something beyond the individual, or the divine principle through which apotheosis itself occurs?

i dont think this is true, but just bcs a bunch of withces and sorceress that i know dont pursuit this goal, actually most of them dont even have a goal ON magic, they just use the magic to try to reach other goals and this is really sad to me, i actually have the goal to reach apotheosis, but i dont want to fuse myself with some god or even become the sort of all love and peace god, i would say my apotheosis is a transcence into a even more human thing, some sort of demon, a creature free of all chains and with a high magical power.

everyone in society says that im crazy for practicing magick, everyone on the magick comunity say im crazy for aiming in apotheosis and everyone who has the goal to become a god say im crazy for wanting to be a demon but i dont think any of these things is wrong, the only mistake i ever did is being real with me and the world i think, everyone is a bit crazy inside.

 

[AxelAchiLles]

Sure.

I'll start little broad. Usual example of RHP is Christianity, where you serve Jesus in his cause and hope for a reward.
What I call dark RHP would be for example serving a demon in hope to get rewards. In some cases these offered services are truly evil.

Lately there was very well fitting example of very evil RHP, case of Danyal Hussein, who vowed to murder women continually and build a temple for a demon in exchange for power and money.

The Case of Danyal Hussein....!!!

In June 2021 an 19 year old named Danyal Hussein was convicted in the UK of the brutal murders of two sisters Bibba Henry and Nicole Smallman in a London park...!!! During the subsequent police investigation detectives uncovered a dark subculture of occult obsession in the teenager's life...

wizardforums.com

Spoiler: YT video, very long

Yes, but demonolatry rejects human sacrifice and even animal sacrifice, such as those practised in antiquity and during the Christian Middle Ages. Demons are regarded as benevolent intelligences that neither desire nor demand pain, fear, or terror.

Could it therefore be that demons merely accept whatever offering is presented to them—without bearing responsibility for the nature of that offering themselves? In other words, does the entire responsibility for the exchange fall upon the magician, including the choice of what to offer in return?

Perhaps this is precisely where the irresponsibility—and, in some cases, the genuine psychological instability—of certain practitioners enters the picture. Such beliefs may provide justification for individuals who actually require psychiatric care to act upon their disturbed impulses, thereby giving the Dark Arts, demons, and demonolatry as a whole an undeservedly sinister reputation.

 

[Morell]

You're not wrong. It's all about our own choice. We choose the path we walk. You could also say that burning witches in middle-ages was Christian ritual of justice. And like it or not, Some people still practice sacrifice of animals... and... I do shiver thinking about it... it is quite possible that human sacrifices still occur too...

... In other words, does the entire responsibility for the exchange fall upon the magician, including the choice of what to offer in return?

Perhaps this is precisely where the irresponsibility—and, in some cases, the genuine psychological instability—of certain practitioners enters the picture. Such beliefs may provide justification for individuals who actually require psychiatric care to act upon their disturbed impulses, thereby giving the Dark Arts, demons, and demonolatry as a whole an undeservedly sinister reputation.

Yes. This is indeed what happens.

I won't pretend to understand demons, I do not practice with them at all. However From what I observe around, with good hand and honest heart and mind one can work with demons quite fine and gain a lot during the journey... whenever it is in service or not...
...but we are getting here off the original question.