Of Vampires, Spiritual Immortality, and Past-Lives

[nunaphael]

Lately I have been researching and reading a lot about vampirism, being vampiric, and being a vampire, and how these all differ (i.e., being vampiric is a temporary behavioral state, being a vampire is a native state of existence). One of the recurring features I keep reading about that gives rise to this essential state of being is the notion of being a kind of "spiritual immortal", which is fundamentally not the same thing as being human. It is more like "otherkin" or being transspecies. You possess a "non-human" essence of some sort, which is by it's very nature "vampiric" because it must constantly feed on lifeforce to maintain its link to the physical world. If it does not feed, then it will spiritually "starve" and die or at the very least go into some sort of extended state of torpor before absorbing enough ambient energy to reincarnate into a new human body. In any case, whether one was just "always" a vampire or managed to transform into one, they exist in a fundamentally different way from ordinary humans, or even shamans or other awakened.

One of the cornerstones of this is the notion of past-lives. Most authors and people who claim to be "true" vampires also claim to be able to recall at least half a dozen or more past-lives with unusual clarity when compared to others. They seem to recall not only more of them, but in more detail, more nuance, and also with more convincing storytelling. In some past lives they were beggars, in others, soldiers, sometimes merchants, travelers, scribes, priests, nobles, they come from all walks of life, not just some wealthy bloodline of priviledged aristocrats. Some take it a bit too far in my opinion, claiming ancestry that goes all the way back to "Atlantis" (which I firmly do not believe or take very seriously). But I'm not here to judge, I'm just reporting on it for context.

So my question to any of you that identify as vampires, or know anyone that does, what is your opinion on this? Do you think that recalling at least one past life is kind of a prerequisite, or do you think there are exceptions, or do you think it simply doesn't matter? If you think it is a prerequisite, how many lives do you think is a fair number, or what sort of patterns do you look for when exploring your past-lives to suggest you might be a "real" vampire?

 

[Morell]

I kinda wonder how many books did you read. Forgive me, but it almost feels as if you have read one book, the one I'm currently reading...

There is no simple or easy answer to that. You hit the same wall, when you try to define human. If you want to define a vampire, every definition needs to be based on something factual or well defined. When we say that vampire has a vampiric esence, the issue is, that we need to know well, what is vampiric esence and how it differs from human esence that we also need to define. What is esence? I don't know myself.

All humans here are humans by body, so any person claiming to be a vampire should at least admit that they are human. And in this aspect they are. Even those who drink blood. Spiritually the difference is not obvious either. energetic exchange is common thing. Vampiric thirst, is it theirs truly or is it us humans forming reality basing on fiction that we learned to believe and desire? Here we are... Some people want to be vampire, or rather they want to become what they believe a vampire to be. But is there such a thing or is it a creation of human wish and imagination, given existence with magic? I don't have answer for that.

Past lives is definitely not prerequisite for vampirism or a proof of a vampire, it is a proof of reincarnation and past life if anything. Possibly also of spiritual evolution/advancement the person did during those lives. Nothing else. You can easily find people remembering past lives who have nothing to do with the vamps.

I personally prefer saying that I follow path of the vampire or vampiric spirituality... very individually, I'm not member of any group. I think it is my advantage because all the ideas I get are mostly mine and I spend time thinking about them, quite likely more than those in the groups who simply trust their peers. Nothing bad about that, but still... If it gets me to vampiric immortality, then good, if not, I did my best. And that's about it.

 

[nunaphael]

I kinda wonder how many books did you read. Forgive me, but it almost feels as if you have read one book, the one I'm currently reading...

There is no simple or easy answer to that. You hit the same wall, when you try to define human. If you want to define a vampire, every definition needs to be based on something factual or well defined. When we say that vampire has a vampiric esence, the issue is, that we need to know well, what is vampiric esence and how it differs from human esence that we also need to define. What is esence? I don't know myself.

All humans here are humans by body, so any person claiming to be a vampire should at least admit that they are human. And in this aspect they are. Even those who drink blood. Spiritually the difference is not obvious either. energetic exchange is common thing. Vampiric thirst, is it theirs truly or is it us humans forming reality basing on fiction that we learned to believe and desire? Here we are... Some people want to be vampire, or rather they want to become what they believe a vampire to be. But is there such a thing or is it a creation of human wish and imagination, given existence with magic? I don't have answer for that.

Past lives is definitely not prerequisite for vampirism or a proof of a vampire, it is a proof of reincarnation and past life if anything. Possibly also of spiritual evolution/advancement the person did during those lives. Nothing else. You can easily find people remembering past lives who have nothing to do with the vamps.

I personally prefer saying that I follow path of the vampire or vampiric spirituality... very individually, I'm not member of any group. I think it is my advantage because all the ideas I get are mostly mine and I spend time thinking about them, quite likely more than those in the groups who simply trust their peers. Nothing bad about that, but still... If it gets me to vampiric immortality, then good, if not, I did my best. And that's about it.

It seems as if we think along similar lines then. I'm quite skeptic of a lot of the stuff I've been reading, but on the other hand, I've learned more about energy manipulation than I ever did reading books literally dedicated to the subject matter. The "path" of vamprism appeals to me, but many of these ideas about "natural" or "true" vampires concern me. For example, in Sean Wilde's book "Living Vampires", they discuss "surgically removing a major chakra" (specifically the solar plexus chakra) as the way in which they transform members of their order into "true vampires". That sounds a little odd to me. When I read that, I remember feeling a little bit disappointed. And in Don Webb's book (I believe that's the book where this notion of past-lives is most strongly emphasized) he ties it into the notion of being a completely seperate kind of entity, like an "otherkin" or "transspecies". He suggests it's a primary marker to identify a "real" vampire. This of course bothers me when his book comes so highly recommended by other well established authors like Edred Thorrson. Did the people endorsing it actually read the whole thing?

As for what books I've read, I've read John Kreiter's book on psychic self defense, which I think has been the most useful book on the subject that I've read so far. I found that one in your collection actually. I've also read Don Webb's book on energy vamprism, Sean Wilde on Living Vampires (that was an interesting one, the section on "metasurgery"was especially interesting), Michelle Bellanger's vampire codex, and Father Sebastian's Sanguinomicon. I'm still reading through that collection you posted actually, right now I'm looking at "The Infernal Vampire". I will also admit, I glanced at the Aset Ka stuff and looked at the Violet Throne book, but only skimmed it a bit, I should probably look at it again to see where it differs from the rest.

Frankly, I'll just come right out and say, I'm have a really hard time following a lot of these authors because they seem really lost in some kind of romantic fantasy about what it is they are doing or transforming into or whatever they believe they are caught up in. Whatever the actual process is that's happening, I don't think anyone should be looking at it with envy or jealousy or anything of the sort. The grass is almost certainly not greener on the other side of this fence. For example, the whole concept of "Universe B" and the Qliphotic Initiation into this alternate universe, described by Jeremiah on his Patreon "Universal Mastery", involves a process by which you are presenting yourself to be consumed and devoured by "qliphotic entities" that will strip away everything you "don't need" and hollow you out to the point that you eventually become more like them and no longer human. What he is not telling anyone is that this is not just a ritual to become a vampire, it is so much more than that. I don't know if he was being coy on purpose or just didn't actually understand the process he was talking about fully, but that deeply concerned me.

I asked this question about past-lives relating to vampires and vamprism because it was something that stood out to me as someone who actually can remember three of my past lives, and so this idea immediately resonated with me. However, the moment it did, my common sense also kicked in (thankfully) to alert me that it sounds to me like a way to gatekeep people, or force the definition of a vampire into something which is more of a modern contrivance and has no historical validity. It seemed like what you'd call a "personal unverified gnosis", and I am of the opinion that it is probably just nonsense meant to make a person feel more important than they actually are.

 

[Morell]

It seems as if we think along similar lines then. I'm quite skeptic of a lot of the stuff I've been reading, but on the other hand, I've learned more about energy manipulation than I ever did reading books literally dedicated to the subject matter. The "path" of vamprism appeals to me, but many of these ideas about "natural" or "true" vampires concern me. For example, in Sean Wilde's book "Living Vampires", they discuss "surgically removing a major chakra" (specifically the solar plexus chakra) as the way in which they transform members of their order into "true vampires". That sounds a little odd to me. When I read that, I remember feeling a little bit disappointed. And in Don Webb's book (I believe that's the book where this notion of past-lives is most strongly emphasized) he ties it into the notion of being a completely seperate kind of entity, like an "otherkin" or "transspecies". He suggests it's a primary marker to identify a "real" vampire. This of course bothers me when his book comes so highly recommended by other well established authors like Edred Thorrson. Did the people endorsing it actually read the whole thing?

As for what books I've read, I've read John Kreiter's book on psychic self defense, which I think has been the most useful book on the subject that I've read so far. I found that one in your collection actually. I've also read Don Webb's book on energy vamprism, Sean Wilde on Living Vampires (that was an interesting one, the section on "metasurgery"was especially interesting), Michelle Bellanger's vampire codex, and Father Sebastian's Sanguinomicon. I'm still reading through that collection you posted actually, right now I'm looking at "The Infernal Vampire". I will also admit, I glanced at the Aset Ka stuff and looked at the Violet Throne book, but only skimmed it a bit, I should probably look at it again to see where it differs from the rest.

Frankly, I'll just come right out and say, I'm have a really hard time following a lot of these authors because they seem really lost in some kind of romantic fantasy about what it is they are doing or transforming into or whatever they believe they are caught up in. Whatever the actual process is that's happening, I don't think anyone should be looking at it with envy or jealousy or anything of the sort. The grass is almost certainly not greener on the other side of this fence. For example, the whole concept of "Universe B" and the Qliphotic Initiation into this alternate universe, described by Jeremiah on his Patreon "Universal Mastery", involves a process by which you are presenting yourself to be consumed and devoured by "qliphotic entities" that will strip away everything you "don't need" and hollow you out to the point that you eventually become more like them and no longer human. What he is not telling anyone is that this is not just a ritual to become a vampire, it is so much more than that. I don't know if he was being coy on purpose or just didn't actually understand the process he was talking about fully, but that deeply concerned me.

I asked this question about past-lives relating to vampires and vamprism because it was something that stood out to me as someone who actually can remember three of my past lives, and so this idea immediately resonated with me. However, the moment it did, my common sense also kicked in (thankfully) to alert me that it sounds to me like a way to gatekeep people, or force the definition of a vampire into something which is more of a modern contrivance and has no historical validity. It seemed like what you'd call a "personal unverified gnosis", and I am of the opinion that it is probably just nonsense meant to make a person feel more important than they actually are.

I own you an apology, appears that you did your homework and way better than I thought.

Your common sense/instinct is spot on. I didn't myself think about this stuff as matter of romantic fantasy, or maybe just not in this particular terms, but it's well fitting. I strongly agree. I would also add that it is not only fantasy, but also wishful blindness, some of paths they are writing down, are deviant, or maybe better to say simply insane.

The guy from universal mastery probably doesn't know much more than he says.

And of course, the chakra removal, total bullshit. Like, consider it this way: Chakras are like organs in your spiritual body. So removing a chakra is literally removing an organ that has some function, that is now removed and need to be kept replaced for the rest of life with supplements of energy along with dealing with side-ffects. Even though the person now needs energy feeding, it is not because of becoming something greater, but by becoming energetic cripple.

Historical validity of vampire... well, to be honest middle-ages vampire was nothing like Dracula and all that followed. The generation of Bram stocker was when modern vampire was founded, there is nothing like that older than that. I wrote down my theory on one angle of middle-ages vampire. (didn't take into account tuberculosis and other diseases...) Vampire in middle-ages europe

 

[Wintruz]

Lately I have been researching and reading a lot about vampirism, being vampiric, and being a vampire, and how these all differ (i.e., being vampiric is a temporary behavioral state, being a vampire is a native state of existence). One of the recurring features I keep reading about that gives rise to this essential state of being is the notion of being a kind of "spiritual immortal", which is fundamentally not the same thing as being human. It is more like "otherkin" or being transspecies. You possess a "non-human" essence of some sort, which is by it's very nature "vampiric" because it must constantly feed on lifeforce to maintain its link to the physical world. If it does not feed, then it will spiritually "starve" and die or at the very least go into some sort of extended state of torpor before absorbing enough ambient energy to reincarnate into a new human body. In any case, whether one was just "always" a vampire or managed to transform into one, they exist in a fundamentally different way from ordinary humans, or even shamans or other awakened.

One of the cornerstones of this is the notion of past-lives. Most authors and people who claim to be "true" vampires also claim to be able to recall at least half a dozen or more past-lives with unusual clarity when compared to others. They seem to recall not only more of them, but in more detail, more nuance, and also with more convincing storytelling. In some past lives they were beggars, in others, soldiers, sometimes merchants, travelers, scribes, priests, nobles, they come from all walks of life, not just some wealthy bloodline of priviledged aristocrats. Some take it a bit too far in my opinion, claiming ancestry that goes all the way back to "Atlantis" (which I firmly do not believe or take very seriously). But I'm not here to judge, I'm just reporting on it for context.

So my question to any of you that identify as vampires, or know anyone that does, what is your opinion on this? Do you think that recalling at least one past life is kind of a prerequisite, or do you think there are exceptions, or do you think it simply doesn't matter? If you think it is a prerequisite, how many lives do you think is a fair number, or what sort of patterns do you look for when exploring your past-lives to suggest you might be a "real" vampire?

I wrote a little about these themes here, but this is a good thread to look in greater depth at energy and post-incarnation existence.

I would perhaps differ from many who use the word "vampire" (I often use "vampyr/e" to distinguish two different ways of working) in that I do not believe that energy is a rarefied source. My position is that we are awash in energy, running at near-infinite quantities of surplus. I believe that the average (sleeping) human creates far, far more energy across one lifetime than that human will ever use across multiple lifetimes. This surplus was called by Gurdjieff "Food for the Moon".

Energy is reshaped constantly through activity. Most humans are utterly oblivious to the energy they swim in, and so they are knocked about by the tides of what that energy has been made to do. This operates in a similar way to the butterfly effect...

Tom is in a bad mood because he saw his boyfriend chatting to a stranger online. Tom leaves the house and drives like a lunatic, causing Amanda, on her way to the office, to swerve. Amanda gets into the office and tells Joanne, "An absolute lunatic driver caused me to swerve." Joanne tells Karl. Karl is thinking about this on the way home and doesn't spot little Timmy running into the road with his ball... Tom's boyfriend shaped an energy ripple of which, ultimately, little Timmy was on the receiving end. 99.5% of humans are like little Timmy, regardless of what their bank account, social standing, passport, or anything else says. Things happen to them.

Outside of all of this is the Vampyr, who is awake and who is not only able to draw from the abundant energy all around (much of which isn't being used), but also able to transform it into something else...

Tom is in a bad mood because he saw his boyfriend chatting to a stranger online. Tom leaves the house and drives like a lunatic, causing the Vampyr, Catherine, to swerve. Catherine doesn't see the event as something that has happened to her. Instead, she pulls the car over and inhales deeply, drawing the adrenaline, the primal sense of "bad luck", the entire atmosphere around the event into herself. She exhales. Suddenly, she's filled with wonder at being alive. The music on the radio sounds crisper; the sun on her skin feels invigorating. Catherine hasn't subconsciously increased her sense that all humans are stupid, nor her sense that "the energy around is really bad right now", as would have happened had she not been proactive about the energy she received. She's transformed it. This is a clean and clear example. Often, life is more complex and different approaches are needed (including "I do no know how to transform this, I am walking away"). Yet the idea of not resisting energy but transforming it is, I would say, a better long-term approach ("strength begets greater strength") than trying to suck the chakras out of a stranger on the bus with an imaginary tentacle.

All of this happens at the most basic energetic level but a Vampyr isn't playing the same game as everyone else. S/He is actively using their life, with its billions of forms of energy, to cause their consciousness to align with their Essence. This means s/he is seeking out experiences and creating circumstances which cause profound, irreversible psychological change. Those changes should reflect the Essence, the tajalli, "True Will", the Vampyr perceives themselves to be at their deepest core. If there's an afterlife, there the socialised mind (nafs, or "ego" if you prefer) will be out of the equation, and just the Essence will be present. Plato said that all philosophy was training for death. The Vampyr, like other initiates, is in training.

Past lives? I would say that many people drawn to occult work have a stronger-than-average imagination, vampires attract a particular kind of emotional and liminal personality and it's easy to convince ourselves that something that's been imagined is objectively true rather than a symbol which tells us something about what's going on inside the seer. Furthermore, even if they are accurately perceiving past lives, it doesn't change the fact that we're here now, on a rainy Tuesday, and it is precisely here and now that we create the circumstances for what we will be tomorrow...

 

[nunaphael]

I wrote a little about these themes here, but this is a good thread to look in greater depth at energy and post-incarnation existence.

I would perhaps differ from many who use the word "vampire" (I often use "vampyr/e" to distinguish two different ways of working) in that I do not believe that energy is a rarefied source. My position is that we are awash in energy, running at near-infinite quantities of surplus. I believe that the average (sleeping) human creates far, far more energy across one lifetime than that human will ever use across multiple lifetimes. This surplus was called by Gurdjieff "Food for the Moon".

Energy is reshaped constantly through activity. Most humans are utterly oblivious to the energy they swim in, and so they are knocked about by the tides of what that energy has been made to do. This operates in a similar way to the butterfly effect...

Tom is in a bad mood because he saw his boyfriend chatting to a stranger online. Tom leaves the house and drives like a lunatic, causing Amanda, on her way to the office, to swerve. Amanda gets into the office and tells Joanne, "An absolute lunatic driver caused me to swerve." Joanne tells Karl. Karl is thinking about this on the way home and doesn't spot little Timmy running into the road with his ball... Tom's boyfriend shaped an energy ripple of which, ultimately, little Timmy was on the receiving end. 99.5% of humans are like little Timmy, regardless of what their bank account, social standing, passport, or anything else says. Things happen to them.

Outside of all of this is the Vampyr, who is awake and who is not only able to draw from the abundant energy all around (much of which isn't being used), but also able to transform it into something else...

Tom is in a bad mood because he saw his boyfriend chatting to a stranger online. Tom leaves the house and drives like a lunatic, causing the Vampyr, Catherine, to swerve. Catherine doesn't see the event as something that has happened to her. Instead, she pulls the car over and inhales deeply, drawing the adrenaline, the primal sense of "bad luck", the entire atmosphere around the event into herself. She exhales. Suddenly, she's filled with wonder at being alive. The music on the radio sounds crisper; the sun on her skin feels invigorating. Catherine hasn't subconsciously increased her sense that all humans are stupid, nor her sense that "the energy around is really bad right now", as would have happened had she not been proactive about the energy she received. She's transformed it. This is a clean and clear example. Often, life is more complex and different approaches are needed (including "I do no know how to transform this, I am walking away"). Yet the idea of not resisting energy but transforming it is, I would say, a better long-term approach ("strength begets greater strength") than trying to suck the chakras out of a stranger on the bus with an imaginary tentacle.

All of this happens at the most basic energetic level but a Vampyr isn't playing the same game as everyone else. S/He is actively using their life, with its billions of forms of energy, to cause their consciousness to align with their Essence. This means s/he is seeking out experiences and creating circumstances which cause profound, irreversible psychological change. Those changes should reflect the Essence, the tajalli, "True Will", the Vampyr perceives themselves to be at their deepest core. If there's an afterlife, there the socialised mind (nafs, or "ego" if you prefer) will be out of the equation, and just the Essence will be present. Plato said that all philosophy was training for death. The Vampyr, like other initiates, is in training.

Past lives? I would say that many people drawn to occult work have a stronger-than-average imagination, vampires attract a particular kind of emotional and liminal personality and it's easy to convince ourselves that something that's been imagined is objectively true rather than a symbol which tells us something about what's going on inside the seer. Furthermore, even if they are accurately perceiving past lives, it doesn't change the fact that we're here now, on a rainy Tuesday, and it is precisely here and now that we create the circumstances for what we will be tomorrow...

Because I did not feel that simply clicking the "like" button was enough, I want to personally express my gratitude to you, and whatever inspired you to write this phenomenal piece of information. So much wisdom here, and it came at a time I really needed to hear it as well. This is exactly the kind of perspective I want to cultivate in myself, and I could not have articulated that need in better words myself. That very sense of "wonder" you described in your short narrative about Catherine, was evoked by your post within me upon reading it. Your post was such an excellent contribution to the topic of discussion, and honestly I feel, to the entire sub-forum. Again, thank you!