Which spirits maneuver and manhandle narcissists and what's their end goal?Why so much devilry and why do they target people with bright loving souls?

[shsuchi1]

Rudolf Steiner used to call these Ahirmanic forces to mechanize and automatise authentic humans. But I'm also curious as to what's the end goal these forces have for bright, loving souls?

 

[r4zorenigma]

Spirits that align with Islam, Catholicism, some other forms of Christianity, are usually white light spirits.. Also what we consider Angels.. they hate narcissists and evil. There's a spiritual war going on right now though.. The other side is like Demonic entities.. demonic entities want to destroy humanity, possess all humans and cause us to live in pure ego and filth. I learned this from being a satanist for a decade. Sadly, some of my best years/most fun times in life were during those times.. But ultimately i didnt realize i was slowly destroying myself..

Narcissists, BPD, Histrionic, these people are always great targets for demonic type rogue spirits to influence/possess.. Demons are just spirits that are envious/hate humanity because they were locked out of this density.. and they watch our lives and envy us greatly.. They feel humans are pathetic and part of their belief is right.. I've seen humans treat animals better than they do other humans at times.

They target good people, people with good bright loving souls, innocent people-- because that's what the demonic spirits want. The more people who operate in negative low vibrational frequencies, the more influence the demons have. They want to take ove rall of humanity basically, control all our vessels, prove a point to the source/creator God.

One of the BIGGEST themes going on in the world right now is the Jezebel Ahab concept... Many women are possessed by a jezebel like spirit and find good men to destroy, it all happens subconsciously.. not willingly or knowingly.

Men can have the same spirit too.. and find innocent girls who once they break/cause heartbreak and trauma in the innocnet girl, she often will become sexually promiscuous, thus furthering the cycle, and now she goes on to hurt other guys, etc.

 

[Nembra]

Spirits that align with Islam, Catholicism, some other forms of Christianity, are usually white light spirits.

This is absolutely a nitpick, but I must strongly disagree. Most angels I encounter are of impossibly vivid colour, not uncommonly dark. There exist angels possessing beauty like that of raw iron or ash, or soil. Once I've met an angel like the faint reflection of starlit skies on the bottom of a well - almost completely black. Everything drowning in white or golden light (like most of supposedly "heavenly" aesthetics) is a manifestation of symbolic conventions that in my view diminish and obfuscate the reality they're representing.

I mostly agree with the rest, by the way.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Spirits that align with Islam, Catholicism, some other forms of Christianity, are usually white light spirits..

lol! Nothing - and I mean nothing- is more estranged from the truth than this claim. Between Islam and Catholism, you have hundreds of millions murdered in the name of almighty gawd. Just look at Islam's invasion of India, or Catholicism's New World genocide, for example

Esoterically speaking, these mass marketed religions alienate the individual from their hidden self- which is the key to actual immortalization as a self-subsisting entity post-mortem. The more you believe you need the intercession of some egregore or angel in order to develop yourself, the less your own power is available. Your future is cooked if you go along with these collectivist energies and idiotic dogmas.

 

[Nembra]

lol! Nothing - and I mean nothing- is more estranged from the truth than this claim. Between Islam and Catholism, you have hundreds of millions murdered in the name of almighty gawd. Just look at Islam's invasion of India, or Catholicism's New World genocide, for example

Esoterically speaking, these mass marketed religions alienate the individual from their hidden self- which is the key to actual immortalization as a self-subsisting entity post-mortem. The more you believe you need the intercession of some egregore or angel in order to develop yourself, the less your own power is available. Your future is cooked if you go along with these collectivist energies and idiotic dogmas.

Goodness, this made me feel a bit better about myself. I am at least trying to ensure I'm speaking from the position of knowledge and insight when I'm being a judgmental asshole. It is ironic that "mass marketed" and "collectivist" are the chosen insults of one of like top five most tediously mainstream takes of recent decades.

 

[Morivelle Sabbatica]

But he's right.Why those 2?islam killed even more,than catholicism did.
And honestly,looking from another perspective I wouldn't say anyone is in the true wrong here.

 

[Beyond Everything]

It is ironic that "mass marketed" and "collectivist" are the chosen insults of one of like top five most tediously mainstream takes of recent decades.

Those religions aren't mass marketed, to the point of centuries of conversion-by-the-sword? Whatever you're referring to has no relevance to what I said. As far as 'collectivist', anyone with insight into energy will see that yes- these are collectivist energies. They are the lowest-common-denominator spiritually-speaking, and dont stem from the Self. These are egregores and mass thoughtforms. They subsume the individual self and Self within a system that has its own agenda.

Anyone can see the blood-soaked results of these religions anyway. It's called history, learn about it!

 

[Nembra]

Those religions aren't mass marketed, to the point of centuries of conversion-by-the-sword? Whatever you're referring to has no relevance to what I said. As far as 'collectivist', anyone with insight into energy will see that yes- these are collectivist energies. They are the lowest-common-denominator spiritually-speaking, and dont stem from the Self. These are egregores and mass thoughtforms. They subsume the individual self and Self within a system that has its own agenda.

I mean, I can't honestly engage with that in any meaningful way, there would be a pyramid of assumptions upon assumptions for me to take apart, and I don't think either of us would like to be subjected to that conversation. But, friend, the aesthetics! What you're saying is just so tired and derivative, feels like reading a comment on a new atheism Facebook profile. Doesn't being so passionate about such a basic, mainstream, midwit-starter-pokemon opinion bother you at all?

Anyone can see the blood-soaked results of these religions anyway. It's called history, learn about it!

And the condescending lecturing tone on top. You're the whole package, that I must give to you.

Just not to leave you with no contradiction let me leave the tiniest smidgen of personal, lived experience - I have seen feats of magic on a scale beyond the scope of grandest wizards achieved by a crowd of unlearned boors with those "lowest-common-denominator energies". There is, I notice, no path that approaches the Self with more radical individualism than the Church and no deeper well of hidden truths than her arcana.

 

[Beyond Everything]

- I have seen feats of magic on a scale beyond the scope of grandest wizards achieved by a crowd of unlearned boors with those "lowest-common-denominator energies".

Egregores can have dramatic, physical effects. So what? This is old hat to anyone with practical experience. None of these 'feats of magic' I am quite confident have to do with higher initiation. That is the creation of an immortal subtle body, which isn't accomplished by believing in a god, following the 10 commandments, giving alms to the poor, whining for help from angels or saints, or anything other than the activation of the power of the Self.

There is, I notice, no path that approaches the Self with more radical individualism than the Church and no deeper well of hidden truths than her arcana.

lol

 

[Nembra]

Egregores can have dramatic, physical effects. So what? This is old hat to anyone with practical experience. None of these 'feats of magic' I am quite confident have to do with higher initiation. That is the creation of an immortal subtle body, which isn't accomplished by believing in a god, following the 10 commandments, giving alms to the poor, whining for help from angels or saints, or anything other than the activation of the power of the Self.

There is a decades-long process of initiation, but I don't consider myself at a liberty to disclose details. Since it seems to please you, I'll try something. You have a very weird idea about what Christianity is about. Who told you all that?

 

[Beyond Everything]

There is a decades-long process of initiation, but I don't consider myself at a liberty to disclose details.

The catholic church has no 'decades long' initiation to alchemically create an immortal subtle body. What the church teaches is to have faith and to do good works and voila! you're set. It's a garbage, juvenile idea. You have nothing to disclose.

 

[Nembra]

The catholic church has no 'decades long' initiation to alchemically create an immortal subtle body.

I'm not sure why would you want an immortal subtle body. I mean, when Theosis in an actual, physical body is an option I would feel kind of stupid chaining myself to an immortality by scribbling sigils on the aether, but that's I guess aesthetics - you get it when you get it. But yes, the Church does have a decades long initiation program and there is a lot of grand rituals along the way. Your ignorance is excusable, it's not well-known.

What the church teaches is to have faith and to do good works and voila! you're set. It's a garbage, juvenile idea. You have nothing to disclose.

You can abstract literally any religion or occult path down into "having faith and doing good works". The former is so muddy and the latter so broad the entire spiritual pursuit could be with reasonable accuracy boiled down to two questions: what to have faith in and which works are good - and most options on the market don't even touch the first one.

Yeah, the thing with true arcana is that you can't understand them without certain experiences, that's why I'm not disclosing the particulars. I have hope that there is a fortunate surprise in your future I wouldn't like to spoil.

 

[Wintruz]

The catholic church has no 'decades long' initiation to alchemically create an immortal subtle body. What the church teaches is to have faith and to do good works and voila! you're set. It's a garbage, juvenile idea. You have nothing to disclose.

The (very, very Catholic) Hiéron du Val d'Or had some of the most sophisticated ideas about alchemy likely to be found in any Western corpus.

I am not a Catholic but this is an angry adolescent's cartoon-level understanding of a religion which has lasted two-thousand years, included entire Empires under its auspices and which has attracted some of the most intelligent human beings in the history of the world. That alone should cause one to pause.

It's not 1995 anymore where "xtianity" is strawmanned and attacked on the basis of, often personal, emotional projections. Disagree with Catholicism (I do), but do so with intelligent, grounded, well-read perspectives. Not cringe-inducing "burning times"-esque Wiccan memes of "conversion-by-the-sword".

Anyone can see the blood-soaked results of these religions anyway. It's called history, learn about it!

I have a PhD in History from Oxford. Tread carefully if you reply...

 

[Nembra]

 

[adrian27]

En un mundo denso y material, todo es una experiencia de aprendizaje.

 

[Yazata]

@Beyond Everything you are once again completely off topic. If you don't have anything to reply to OP then don't post in the thread.

 

[HoldAll]

En un mundo denso y material, todo es una experiencia de aprendizaje.

A ban for non-English usage looks more and more likely.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Rudolf Steiner used to call these Ahirmanic forces to mechanize and automatise authentic humans. But I'm also curious as to what's the end goal these forces have for bright, loving souls?

There are many discarnate entities that are involved the subjugation of man. You can divide them into two, one purposely seeking it, the other as a byproduct of its existence. The latter are egregores, which of their very nature restrict the evolution of man. The first are predatory beings.

Being a 'loving soul' is no hedge against subtle exploitation. In fact, there is a sense in which overcoming love is part of adepthood.

What prevents 'spirit's from fucking with you is Power. That's it. I explain more here- Emergency Banishings: Is There a "Nuclear Option"?

The (very, very Catholic) Hiéron du Val d'Or had some of the most sophisticated ideas about alchemy likely to be found in any Western corpus.

You mean the group that predicted christ would return in the year 2000? lol In any event, they were trying to create their own freemasonry at one point, and we know the official catholic position on freemasonry...