[Help] Lust for success

[Nobody]

What work have you undertaken to diminish the desire for a performed ritual? How do you effectively reduce attention to a deep desire that you are trying to achieve?

I am not yet completely sure I understand how to gauge intimate desire and the forgetting of it after performing a ritual. The concept of visualizing, feeling and desiring to achieve a situation (probably popularized by the New Age) seems contradictory to the notion of forgetting required after performing a work.

If the feeling and visualization of obtaining an event that has already been achieved is so important, how is it possible to really forget what you want or at least let go? Is it important to function only at time "T" to maximize the chances of success of a wish? That is to say, not to form this wish several days beforehand and therefore to feed the feeling in advance?

 

[8Lou1]

you just need more confusion so you wont notice. ive been there too and sometimes its really hard to sidetrack yourself. when you fight it long enough you end up what is some sort of not addiction and thats actually feeling good while walking the choosen path. so in that sense you can hold on to the feeling as goodness brings goodness and its growth is more adding to it, so we are thinking exponentional growth here aka the fast lane or the good flow. but mind you it doesnt mean life gets easier, it means good feelings are your guide in what to do. so wanna go outside? feel. dont like the feeling dont go. thats how you reach your goal.

your lust to bring it into being is bigger then your past, so follow your heart.

 

[Nobody]

you just need more confusion so you wont notice. ive been there too and sometimes its really hard to sidetrack yourself. when you fight it long enough you end up what is some sort of not addiction and thats actually feeling good while walking the choosen path. so in that sense you can hold on to the feeling as goodness brings goodness and its growth is more adding to it, so we are thinking exponentional growth here aka the fast lane or the good flow. but mind you it doesnt mean life gets easier, it means good feelings are your guide in what to do. so wanna go outside? feel. dont like the feeling dont go. thats how you reach your goal.

your lust to bring it into being is bigger then your past, so follow your heart.

Thank you for your reply.

Another thing - what I also find very complicated is to achieve a fair balance between what you want and what you want to achieve. Let me explain:

I spent many months desensitizing myself to things and reducing my desire for them. I already didn't want much in the first place, but the period of additional introspection allowed me to realize that our needs were limited and that our desires were ultimately unlimited.

This desensitization finally took over to the point that I don't always know if I really want the thing I want to produce. I don't know how to explain it any better. The result of this creates a kind of mental confusion because I still think I want to get certain things but feel like I am being "held back" not by desire but rather by the lack of desire induced by the work of desensitization to the different mundane desires. Have you also experienced something similar?

 

[8Lou1]

yeah eventually when almost really death i realized in order to bring myself and my will into being i need community. how else would a godhead rule? or in other words we need more to gain more, so we need to talk about it without mentioning it so it flows in between our words into where it needs be. also when you let go an other catches it

 

[Ancient]

Confusion is accurate. I call it distraction and stimulation. It is incredibly challenging to try not to think of something, but it is really easy to think of something else and fill your mind up with that instead. My go to after a ritual is to leave the temple space, smoke a joint and get some screen time. Changing rooms like that helps (the brain kinda partitions memories, walking through a doorway is enough to trigger it) and diving into something else keeps my mind too busy to think about what I just did.

Like lou said, goodness brings goodness, so you need that initial focus on the desire to start things moving. After that point, you’ll usually just get in the way of it. Some of the bigger workings I’ve attempted in the last year have fallen flat, but the number of specific objects where I casually think “Oh yeah, I could sure use that soon” that then come to me a day or two later is astounding. I suspect that when you continuously bring the desire to mind, you reinforce the lack of said desire, and thereby resist the change required.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: General Occult Discussion
SUBTOPIC: Success
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What work have you undertaken to diminish the desire for a performed ritual?

(COMMENT)

There is no direct relationship between "work" and "diminished desire." There is a direct relationship between "emotional distress" and "happiness" → "happiness" and the "level of effort" expended on the "work product" → "work performance."

There is also a relationship between the feeling of being in a familiar "comfort zone" and the impact of the discomfort when success displaces the "comfort zone."

How do you effectively reduce attention to a deep desire that you are trying to achieve?

(COMMENT)

The status of "desire" for success is diminished as the increase in "comfort" is felt.

how is it possible to really forget what you want or at least let go?

(COMMENT)

Any normal human will always have a set of "wants," "desires," and "needs." Maslow's "Hierarchy of Needs" shows us that the "wants," "desires," and "needs" evolve as the need for basic needs are fulfilled and the intensity of the force behind the desires shifts.

Is it important to function only at time "T" to maximize the chances of success of a wish? T

(COMMENT)

Time nearly always has some impact on "wants," "desires," and "needs" pertaining to the level of development along Maslow's hierarchy. The faster one runs up the order, the greater success is achieved. The principle feature is that the faster the breakthrough is accomplished - allowing entry into the next level the shorter is the exposure to the lower levels of wants and needs is experienced (that which is less comfortable).

That is to say, not to form this wish several days before hand and therefore to feed the feeling in advance?

(COMMENT)

Does it matter? (RHETORICAL) Prior planning is very seldom wrong.

Most Respectfully,
R

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[killing raven sun]

I don't always know if I really want the thing I want to produce.

and here it is, the real danger of magic, getting what you want but not wanting it when you get it, dont let dumbfucks in society tell you what you want

as for the letting go, non wanting, here is an analogy:
your initial desire is to have a house, you see it in your mind, you furnish it, hang some paintings, but thats it, now you are done, put the house on the back burner, instead you want to be "using" your new house, cook some meals there, have some friends over, notice how their voices sound in your living room, and know that these things are becoming reality, never let doubt tell you that you are crazy, dont second guess your work, you must have absolute cult like mind control for real success

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Success? Success means squat to me, jaded but honest.
Lust for anything is horrid, but we have to plan and prioritize, ala lust for some perceived state in which we feel fulfilled.
So its a two edged sword.

 

[killing raven sun]

Success? Success means squat to me, jaded but honest.
Lust for anything is horrid, but we have to plan and prioritize, ala lust for some perceived state in which we feel fulfilled.
So its a two edged sword.

if you cant define success then you wont have any, simple as that

what is your motivation if you dont give a fuck? why are you here on this forum? why are you doing rituals when you have doomed them to fail? maybe that is part of your narrative?

problem is you are crapping all over OPs thread, you are bringing nothing but bad energy which isnt helpful, maybe you are trying to drag others down, misery loves company

so maybe your definition of success is when you have made everyone as miserable as you are?

 

[Nobody]

Some of the bigger workings I’ve attempted in the last year have fallen flat, but the number of specific objects where I casually think “Oh yeah, I could sure use that soon” that then come to me a day or two later is astounding. I suspect that when you continuously bring the desire to mind, you reinforce the lack of said desire, and thereby resist the change required.

This is exactly what happens to me as well. To point out that superfluous elements, or at least those perceived as such, generally manage to materialize easily and sometimes quickly. In my case, it is very regularly synchronicities. I don't call them coincidences anymore because once, it is chance, twice a coincidence and three times, a pattern. The patterns, whether they are visual, situational or auditory, seem to be amplified.

The status of "desire" for success is diminished as the increase in "comfort" is felt.

Interesting premise. I was able to learn that a form of integrity or alignment was necessary with the realization/materialization of a reality. In order to get what you want, you have to know what you want and imagine it as being already acquired in order to (re)program the subconscious mind to translate it into reality. But in this case, how can a state of comfort be created if we are aware of a lack that we would like to fill? Are you referring to the underlying actions taken, complementary to the materialization of said wish?

Any normal human will always have a set of "wants," "desires," and "needs." Maslow's "Hierarchy of Needs" shows us that the "wants," "desires," and "needs" evolve as the need for basic needs are fulfilled and the intensity of the force behind the desires shifts.

When we try to materialize the so-called "achievement" needs (Maslow's pyramid), I have the impression that we enter a state of mind closer to "being" than to "having". It is this path, explained in my second message, that sometimes makes me aware of facing the difficulties of materializing material elements rather than situational ones. However, my last two attempts related to situations seem to have failed or resulted in an unexpected outcome. This is what some might call "backfire".

Isn't one of the keys to success also to remain totally neutral with regard to the (unexpected) outcome observed? Wouldn't some of the pitfalls be aimed at "testing" the will of the individuals and see if they are able to persist despite the not always favorable outcomes?

Time nearly always has some impact on "wants," "desires," and "needs" pertaining to the level of development along Maslow's hierarchy. The faster one runs up the order, the greater success is achieved. The principle feature is that the faster the breakthrough is accomplished - allowing entry into the next level the shorter is the exposure to the lower levels of wants and needs is experienced (that which is less comfortable).

Well, I agree with what you say in the sense that the need for fulfillment prevails at all levels over the rest since the lower levels are "acquired" or rather realized (nothing is ever acquired, but you will understand my point). This is indeed uncomfortable to a certain degree because there is a form of disinterest in a huge part of things mundane. That said, it does pose a problem when a desire from a lower plane wishes to be realized anyway because the subconscious mind seems to have been (re)programmed to be less into material attainment and more into moral attainment or the realm of understanding.

Does it matter? (RHETORICAL) Prior planning is very seldom wrong.

I'll keep that in mind for the future.

and here it is, the real danger of magic, getting what you want but not wanting it when you get it, dont let dumbfucks in society tell you what you want

as for the letting go, non wanting, here is an analogy:
your initial desire is to have a house, you see it in your mind, you furnish it, hang some paintings, but thats it, now you are done, put the house on the back burner, instead you want to be "using" your new house, cook some meals there, have some friends over, notice how their voices sound in your living room, and know that these things are becoming reality, never let doubt tell you that you are crazy, dont second guess your work, you must have absolute cult like mind control for real success

Interesting point. I did this work recently for the scenario you are referring to and something very interesting happened: the imagined desire is close to coming true... for a very close friend. I had no idea that we had this common desire and this person is close to acquiring what I have been working on mentally for a while. Is this a form of desire fulfillment even if it is indirect? I have been trying to work on this desire personally, without telling anyone, and it seems to be coming true for someone around me. How to interpret this?

 

[killing raven sun]

Interesting point. I did this work recently for the scenario you are referring to and something very interesting happened: the imagined desire is close to coming true... for a very close friend. I had no idea that we had this common desire and this person is close to acquiring what I have been working on mentally for a while. Is this a form of desire fulfillment even if it is indirect? I have been trying to work on this desire personally, without telling anyone, and it seems to be coming true for someone around me. How to interpret this?

could be unrelated, i dont know enough about your situation to tell, however if this person is very close to you emotionally then i would be more inclined to say you have helped them, thats what it looks like, your emotional connection has transferred energy to your friend, they picked up on it and were in harmony, this can be really powerful if both of you are aligned, which means you should keep up your work, dont start thinking this was a fail and quit, realize your friend has similar desires and they were met, now its your turn

of course you may have sabotaged the whole thing with some thought that you and i are unaware of, maybe you gave it all away for unknown reasons, search your mind and emotions for incongruities

i have a similar tale from recently, i am attracting a girl, its going very well, but apparently i am also attracting every other girl in the world at the same time, one of them was acting so goofy at the grocery store that i laughed out loud, her boyfriend looked like he wanted to kill me, so i am putting energy out there and its getting received by everyone, those that are inclined will react to that, some good and maybe some bad, obviously boyfriend guy was not aligned with my energy, but the girl was, and that is your friend, so if you end up successful then know you are sending out a powerful vibration and it is attracting success for others around you as well, congrats in advance

 

[Nobody]

could be unrelated, i dont know enough about your situation to tell, however if this person is very close to you emotionally then i would be more inclined to say you have helped them, thats what it looks like, your emotional connection has transferred energy to your friend, they picked up on it and were in harmony, this can be really powerful if both of you are aligned, which means you should keep up your work, dont start thinking this was a fail and quit, realize your friend has similar desires and they were met, now its your turn

of course you may have sabotaged the whole thing with some thought that you and i are unaware of, maybe you gave it all away for unknown reasons, search your mind and emotions for incongruities

i have a similar tale from recently, i am attracting a girl, its going very well, but apparently i am also attracting every other girl in the world at the same time, one of them was acting so goofy at the grocery store that i laughed out loud, her boyfriend looked like he wanted to kill me, so i am putting energy out there and its getting received by everyone, those that are inclined will react to that, some good and maybe some bad, obviously boyfriend guy was not aligned with my energy, but the girl was, and that is your friend, so if you end up successful then know you are sending out a powerful vibration and it is attracting success for others around you as well, congrats in advance

The indirect or direct advice given to the individuals around me often and quickly seems to bear fruit. And the strangest thing is that it seems to come naturally to them and they keep telling me about it.

However, they are not aware of the path I have taken or the basis of the recommendations and techniques indirectly used. The subject of our discussions revolves rather around a worldly (mundane) adaptation of behaviors, leading inevitably (if the advice is followed) to a drastic improvement of the living condition of these individuals.

Transposed to myself, I notice a difference except in the case of synchronicities which seem more and more recurrent and strong. Would the materialization through others be a form of lesson that I must learn?

I tend to intellectualize a lot certain aspects of mundane life and I notice that people around me almost never adopt these postures and achieve results without resorting to magic. Maybe this is where the problem lies as well? I would like to make it clear that I do not try to understand or intellectualize magic or any other occult work for various reasons that may lead to a higher failure rate.

 

[killing raven sun]

The indirect or direct advice given to the individuals around me often and quickly seems to bear fruit. And the strangest thing is that it seems to come naturally to them and they keep telling me about it.

However, they are not aware of the path I have taken or the basis of the recommendations and techniques indirectly used.

Would the materialization through others be a form of lesson that I must learn?

i am in a similar spot, the lesson seems to be that as you grow your needs diminish and your wants have no authority, helping others is the only way to "advance", whatever that means to you, i get most of the energy i need to live without doing anything, if i act out at all, involve my self in the community, which i do often through volunteer work, i massively change the lives of many people all at once, but it feels like i get nothing in return, until i realize i have very few needs, really none, i dont even want anything anymore, i am happy just being, it does not even matter what i am doing, relaxing at the river is as enjoyable as volunteering to do hard labor to fix a house, so maybe that is the lesson, try not to fret over your position and embrace your real work, all else will follow

 

[Nobody]

i am in a similar spot, the lesson seems to be that as you grow your needs diminish and your wants have no authority, helping others is the only way to "advance", whatever that means to you, i get most of the energy i need to live without doing anything, if i act out at all, involve my self in the community, which i do often through volunteer work, i massively change the lives of many people all at once, but it feels like i get nothing in return, until i realize i have very few needs, really none, i dont even want anything anymore, i am happy just being, it does not even matter what i am doing, relaxing at the river is as enjoyable as volunteering to do hard labor to fix a house, so maybe that is the lesson, try not to fret over your position and embrace your real work, all else will follow

I find myself in exactly the same situation as you with a similar mindset towards this one.

I'll go even further and say that most of the things I want to finally materialize will not be for me but rather for the people around me. I do a lot of volunteer work and I enjoy the act of giving rather than receiving. I am in tune with this and I am not looking to amass any credit through these acts. This is what drives me to isolate myself and to do a lot of introspection.

The occult world finally stood in my way and magic seemed to me an "obvious" thing from the start. I am in the process of questioning which practices to turn to. As strange as it may seem, I have a form of calling to both angels and demons.

I think I'm more looking for answers to questions than for material that might illusorily subsume this deeper lack I'm seeking to fill.

But with this state of mind, I still feel like something is missing, like I'm treading water and there's a piece missing from the puzzle.

 

[killing raven sun]

the society of man does not function properly, it is dysfunctional on purpose, strife equals wealth, it is impossible to understand the madness that follows, it is meant to be confusing and confounding, to keep you chasing your tail, oblivious to the treadmill on which you run, unknowingly powering the grinder

if you have questions about society the hard answers dont come easy

if you have easy questions, like how the universe works or the meaning of life, i can answer those right off

if you have questions about magic, realize how much you already know and that you are already on that quest

 

[beardedeldridge]

What work have you undertaken to diminish the desire for a performed ritual? How do you effectively reduce attention to a deep desire that you are trying to achieve?

I am not yet completely sure I understand how to gauge intimate desire and the forgetting of it after performing a ritual. The concept of visualizing, feeling and desiring to achieve a situation (probably popularized by the New Age) seems contradictory to the notion of forgetting required after performing a work.

If the feeling and visualization of obtaining an event that has already been achieved is so important, how is it possible to really forget what you want or at least let go? Is it important to function only at time "T" to maximize the chances of success of a wish? That is to say, not to form this wish several days beforehand and therefore to feed the feeling in advance?

You can’t really gauge success in not thinking about something. To gauge it is to think about it. So success can only really be measured after the fact if the thing you wanted to happen happened.

Start small. Learn to achieve small things you don’t care so much about. Then learn to break the larger things into smaller steps or to achieve it in a round-a-about way.

Meditation and learning to control your own mind and emotions obviously helps but in the short term hypnosis or trance states can force it very effectively but takes practice.

Maybe have someone else who doesn’t give a shit about it do it for you. You will probably be called on to return the favor some day. (This one I’ve never actually tried before but had thought about experimenting with it once upon a time.)

-Eld

 

[Nobody]

the society of man does not function properly, it is dysfunctional on purpose, strife equals wealth, it is impossible to understand the madness that follows, it is meant to be confusing and confounding, to keep you chasing your tail, oblivious to the treadmill on which you run, unknowingly powering the grinder

This rather early realization made me focus mainly on two elements:

• Personally/internally: intuition
• Socially/externally: patterns

The combination of these elements, coupled with a critical and alert mind allowed me to establish hypotheses but never concrete answers. The more I advance, the more I doubt. I am far from having certainties.

if you have questions about magic, realize how much you already know and that you are already on that quest

I spoke earlier about the altruistic aspect. I learned today that something absolutely chaotic happened to a person I don't even know. The elements I received are in line with extremely precise thoughts I may have had (about this person).

Would the realization of events qualified as more chaotic be, like the recall of memories, more effective in the case of negative externalities?

You can’t really gauge success in not thinking about something. To gauge it is to think about it. So success can only really be measured after the fact if the thing you wanted to happen happened.

Wouldn't the key be rather in a "neutral" state adopted at the beginning? The result of the action, if positive, would translate into a "success" in relation to the final interpretation of the outcome produced.

Start small. Learn to achieve small things you don’t care so much about. Then learn to break the larger things into smaller steps or to achieve it in a round-a-about way.

I'm thinking of doing this and setting up a log on the forum to keep track of progress - for the rest, thank you.

 

[killing raven sun]

I learned today that something absolutely chaotic happened to a person I don't even know.

irrelevant, you are trying too hard, whatever happened to them is their business, even if its your fault, you move the energy, then you release it

 

[Nobody]

irrelevant, you are trying too hard, whatever happened to them is their business, even if its your fault, you move the energy, then you release it

I didn't wish this person well and thought of two particular items that this person had that I imagined for "X" reason could be damaged.

The person who told me about it made specific mention of the condition of the objects in question (as imagined), specifying that it was a "rather funny coincidence", given the discussion we had had beforehand.

It's probably a coincidence as you say but both the state of the person as well as the objects of which I spoke to you followed the trajectory that I wished in my mind. I am skeptical by nature but here I confess to having had a moment of personal reflection at the time.

 

[killing raven sun]

watch your mouth then

personally idgaf who gets hurt as long as i get my way, some people are asking for it, fuck them