Languages

[Amur]

Just started thinking that mathematics is the language of the universe.
Occultism in it's general appearance with life itself is the language of Spirit.

 

[8Lou1]

maybe thats what i have against the 3,6,9 principle: it makes too much sense. hence God made me Woman.

 

[Amur]

maybe thats what i have against the 3,6,9 principle: it makes too much sense. hence God made me Woman.

Numbers are really one of the basic descriptions of mathematics, without them you couldn't do calculating. They are like the stepping stone of mathematics one of it's base fundamentals. A bit like the pentagram is the foundation for both Phi and Magick.

 

[Viktor]

Just started thinking that mathematics is the language of the universe.
Occultism in it's general appearance with life itself is the language of Spirit.

I suggest you read about pythagorean cult.
Pythagoras claimed that the universe is all about numbers and made his own cult with this teaching.

A good book is: "Pythagoras and the Pythagoreans" by Charles H. Kahn

 

[8Lou1]

true but since the pentagram is a symbol for human body and phi is circular dont you think after fucking came insight? i have the same issues with occult orders btw. they are all based on family structures. but when you encounter a muskman who states he is an alien, yeah well i went tree of life special upgrade there is nothing after islam and now i sort of look like a human robot with tentacles and sometimes they try to update me or they think im phyton and want idk, its annoying.

so i find being woman quite confusing, especially after i looked into the occult satanic lane where it became clear to me that in order to say 1,2,3 one needs satanists. in islamic countries they then sort of have to go blind or hidden. here i got freedom of religion, freedom of speech etc. just the spirituality lacked, so i fought for an update. and now we have pulse chain and they say im very speical kind of snow flake occult or something. i really dont know.

in essence you are right, but for me its like someone is staring at me and seeing all these things in me and i see shit and do shit. its quite boring

 

[Viktor]

but since the pentagram is a symbol for human body and phi is circular dont you think after fucking came insight?

lol, I thought what comes after is a cigarette

 

[8Lou1]

well lets say someone is indeed playing cigarette with my body. i hope i say it decent enough, fuck i just cant lie ok.

 

[Angelical]

AIs are getting into Ancient Magic and Angels, Egregori and Things. It’s 2nd Nature to them.

 

[darangal]

OP is really big picture without a lot of idea exploration in the post .

What about local languages and their role in perception, communication, and manifesting intent?

Consider how different languages could produce marginal differences in the result when essentially saying the same thing. The importance of cultural context, phonetics
It's easier to produce empirical examples for those who speak multiple languages or who have moved to a foreign country.
I personally believe that the best results for consideration of which language to use when practicing is through the use of an experienced intuition. Although intellectual analysis and logical debate can help clarify aspects and connections there are simply too many variables both known and unknown to make a meaningful decision from a scientific perspective.

 

[Xenophon]

OP is really big picture without a lot of idea exploration in the post .

What about local languages and their role in perception, communication, and manifesting intent?

Consider how different languages could produce marginal differences in the result when essentially saying the same thing. The importance of cultural context, phonetics
It's easier to produce empirical examples for those who speak multiple languages or who have moved to a foreign country.
I personally believe that the best results for consideration of which language to use when practicing is through the use of an experienced intuition. Although intellectual analysis and logical debate can help clarify aspects and connections there are simply too many variables both known and unknown to make a meaningful decision from a scientific perspective.

Is your point that different languages may have different degrees of magical efficacy? If so, that is a highly interesting topic. Consider how one's personality shifts when he uses a different language he is capable in. My Chinese wife said it creeped her out when we traveled in Austria and I lapsed into my German-speaking self talking to locals. Similarly, in the other direction, my Chinese is good but there's no way I could envision ever incorporating it into a magic rite.

 

[Roma]

mathematics is the language of the universe.

That perhaps underplays the nature of mathematics.

Pythagoras told us that numbers are alive. That is certainly my experience.

When I used to build mathematical models of state economies I noticed on occasion numbers being unhappy at being forced into particular equation formats.

For example a co-worker put monthly numbers on one side of the equation and quarterly on the other. The numbers were very unhappy. Monthly numbers have lunar influences and quarterly have solar influences.

It is better perhaps to consider numbers as the mechanism underlying the Song of Creation/Existence. The harmonics generate entities such as galactic Logoi.

On a micro-scale the harmonics can be seen manifesting through the chakras above the crown of the human.

Some of the most profound humans have several numerical harmonics stacked above them - radiating Divine Intent.

Project back in time and look at Mozart. How many harmonic chakras does he have?

 

[darangal]

Is your point that different languages may have different degrees of magical efficacy? If so, that is a highly interesting topic. Consider how one's personality shifts when he uses a different language he is capable in. My Chinese wife said it creeped her out when we traveled in Austria and I lapsed into my German-speaking self talking to locals. Similarly, in the other direction, my Chinese is good but there's no way I could envision ever incorporating it into a magic rite.

Different functions. Efficacy is too general.

Think of languages like tools.
Consider the difference between a hammer and a knife. They're both effective tools with different applications where they excel. You wouldn't use a hammer to cut a fishing line and you wouldn't use a knife to install tacs or nails.

Suppose Russian could work better for curses, Spanish for blessings, French for love, zulu for transformation.

I don't know. I find the idea of it all intensely interesting.

 

[Xenophon]

OK, your way of putting it is clearer.

Interesting choice of languages. I find Slovak lends itself to curses (a cousin to Russian.) Spanish sounds good for what you style blessings (I've cribbed a bit from Miguel Serrano for these.) What gets called by Crowley et.al. "barbarous words of evocation," sound great but I've never been able to find a use for these. It seems that one has to buy into the whole ritual as written. Which is actually counter to their purpose. (See Crowley re the Star Ruby rite and the individual practitioner.)