parasites everywhere

[Jackson]

What chapter specifically, please.

The one provided. You requested that the occult pursuit be quantified as a scientific one.

So they deserve it.

Man is only an agent insomuch as he is dedicated to an aim.

 

[Xenophon]

What chapter specifically, please.


Not initially, but now that you mention it, could you?


So they deserve it.


I read Descartes.

Those last couple remarks were gold.

 

[Jackson]

Those last couple remarks were gold.

Polished bronze

 

[Xenophon]

Polished bronze

OK, but never forget that's what Achilles mum dressed him up in.

 

[stalkinghyena]

The one provided.

This one kind of caught my eye, from Chapter LX:

The cause therefore of this madness, if it be any thing within the body, is a melancholy humor, not that which they call black choller [choler], which is so obstinate, and terrible a thing, that the violence of it is said by Physitians, and Naturall Phylosophers, besides madness, which it doth induce, also to entice evill spirits to seize upon mens bodies. Therefore we understand a melancholy humor here, to be a naturall, and white choller [choler].

I mean, it gets me wondering.

Polished bronze

Oh it was cheaper than that, trust me

OK, but never forget that's what Achilles mum dressed him up in.

What was she wearing?

 

[Roma]

I read Descartes.

I think therefore I am!

On the other hand if thoughts are manipulated by other entities, what is the human? A whiteboard?

 

[Xenophon]

This one kind of caught my eye, from Chapter LX:

The cause therefore of this madness, if it be any thing within the body, is a melancholy humor, not that which they call black choller [choler], which is so obstinate, and terrible a thing, that the violence of it is said by Physitians, and Naturall Phylosophers, besides madness, which it doth induce, also to entice evill spirits to seize upon mens bodies. Therefore we understand a melancholy humor here, to be a naturall, and white choller [choler].

I mean, it gets me wondering.


Oh it was cheaper than that, trust me


What was she wearing?

Achilles' mum wearing? Doubtless something diaphanous and very Maxfield Parrish.

 

[KjEno186]

I read Descartes.

... who put de cartes before da horse!

To quote Levi:

'But to say "I think, therefore I exist" is to assume the consequent of the principle, and recent objections raised by a great writer have sufficiently proven the philosophical imperfection of this method. "I am, therefore something exists," seems to us a more primal and simple basis for experimental philosophy.' - Doctrine and Ritual of High Magic - translation by Greer & Mikituk​

In his commentary of Chapter 1, Greer explained:

'To begin with, we encounter René Descartes’ famous dictum, “I think, therefore I am.” That bit of prose has been misunderstood considerably in recent years, so it’s helpful to review its meaning here. Descartes in his philosophical reflections was trying to find something he could not doubt, which he could then use as a foundation for philosophy. It occurred to him that the fact that he was doubting implied that there had to be a René Descartes to do the doubting, and so he had his foundation: his own experience of himself as a conscious, reflecting, individual being. That was the birth certificate of modern philosophy, and the entire trajectory of modern Western philosophical thought from Descartes to Deleuze traces out the way that this core idea was explored, developed, challenged, affirmed, rejected, reframed, and eventually reduced to self-negating gibberish.​

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'Lévi chose a different approach. The divine name that the God of Israel revealed to Moses in the Book of Exodus was אהיה אשר אהיה , Ehyeh asher Ehyeh, “I am that I am.” Lévi applies the same principle more generally: being is being, what exists is what exists. More formally, what you experience exists as an experience, whatever other modes of existence may be hypothesized for it. The basic formula of existentialism—“existence precedes essence”—could almost be Lévi’s formula as well, though he refuses to predicate anything of experience besides the simple fact that it happens, and he doesn’t mope, as the existentialists did, because experience refuses to provide him with the certainties they pined for.​

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'And thought, the form of experience that Descartes took as his standpoint? Thought is the word, le verbe, which Mark and I agreed to translate as “the verb” to catch both the meanings of the French word. Less tersely, thought is speech, the net of language in which we try however clumsily to catch what exists. It is always secondary to, and dependent on, the primary reality of experience. When Descartes used the net in an attempt to prove the existence of fish—well, the joke is inescapable: he put Descartes before the horse. The fact that there was definitely an experience being had didn’t prove that some essentially René Descartesish entity was having it, and it certainly didn’t justify the grandiose edifice he built atop that shaky foundation.' -

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When I think of 'parasites' in the astral or etheric planes, I imagine fragments of thoughts or emotions left behind, imprinted upon a place by certain events which leave a profound resonance. A violent death or suicide in a particular location, for example, could leave behind an imprint which affects people who enter the place to varying degrees. Now, if someone was already depressed and resonated deeply with that imprint, they could 'carry it on' within themselves by allowing that thought or emotional pattern to continue after they've left the area. I think the so-called moral aspect comes in when one attempts to deal with negative feelings in ways that damage health and adversely affect others. People use drugs and alcohol to suppress negative feelings, and the consequences to health and relationships are often negative, thus reinforcing the internal problem, 'feeding the parasite' if you will.

 

[Jackson]

When I think of 'parasites' in the astral or etheric planes, I imagine fragments of thoughts or emotions left behind, imprinted upon a place by certain events which leave a profound resonance.

That's certainly Bardonian, but in practical occultism or even hpynosis I would simply assume parasitism a reason an entity may refuse to leave, unless it has an intelligence and chooses to adhere to your wishes or some code it follows. Likely in part by my own ill-considered mismanagement, this was only two spirits in my own misadventure (another at any rate I simply didn't find compatible), with the second one introduced by an associate.

 

[Roma]

Ehyeh asher Ehyeh

Translations can be tricky

""I Am that I Am" is a

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of the

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phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎‎ (’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye; pronounced

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)– also "I am who (I) am", "I will become what I choose to become", "I am what I am", "I will be what I will be", "I create what(ever) I create", or "I am the Existing One""

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I prefer: I am who I am. In other words: mind your own business

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I imagine fragments of thoughts or emotions left behind, imprinted upon a place by certain events which leave a profound resonance

What if those abandoned fragments had new owners with their own objectives?

 

[KjEno186]

I prefer: I am who I am. In other words: mind your own business

Take it up with John Michael Greer.

What if those abandoned fragments had new owners with their own objectives?

Then they should buy postage stamps and send strongly worded letters.
Seriously, is everything like walking on eggshells in your little universe?

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"The world and others are unsafe, bad things can happen unexpectedly and quickly and so they are perpetually careful and cautious. Not making waves is not a strategy but a way of life." <--- Is that what your life is like?

 

[Roma]

Everything is connected. It is better to see the connections before acting

 

[Xenophon]

... who put de cartes before da horse!

To quote Levi:

'But to say "I think, therefore I exist" is to assume the consequent of the principle, and recent objections raised by a great writer have sufficiently proven the philosophical imperfection of this method. "I am, therefore something exists," seems to us a more primal and simple basis for experimental philosophy.' - Doctrine and Ritual of High Magic - translation by Greer & Mikituk​

In his commentary of Chapter 1, Greer explained:

'To begin with, we encounter René Descartes’ famous dictum, “I think, therefore I am.” That bit of prose has been misunderstood considerably in recent years, so it’s helpful to review its meaning here. Descartes in his philosophical reflections was trying to find something he could not doubt, which he could then use as a foundation for philosophy. It occurred to him that the fact that he was doubting implied that there had to be a René Descartes to do the doubting, and so he had his foundation: his own experience of himself as a conscious, reflecting, individual being. That was the birth certificate of modern philosophy, and the entire trajectory of modern Western philosophical thought from Descartes to Deleuze traces out the way that this core idea was explored, developed, challenged, affirmed, rejected, reframed, and eventually reduced to self-negating gibberish.​

​

'Lévi chose a different approach. The divine name that the God of Israel revealed to Moses in the Book of Exodus was אהיה אשר אהיה , Ehyeh asher Ehyeh, “I am that I am.” Lévi applies the same principle more generally: being is being, what exists is what exists. More formally, what you experience exists as an experience, whatever other modes of existence may be hypothesized for it. The basic formula of existentialism—“existence precedes essence”—could almost be Lévi’s formula as well, though he refuses to predicate anything of experience besides the simple fact that it happens, and he doesn’t mope, as the existentialists did, because experience refuses to provide him with the certainties they pined for.​

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'And thought, the form of experience that Descartes took as his standpoint? Thought is the word, le verbe, which Mark and I agreed to translate as “the verb” to catch both the meanings of the French word. Less tersely, thought is speech, the net of language in which we try however clumsily to catch what exists. It is always secondary to, and dependent on, the primary reality of experience. When Descartes used the net in an attempt to prove the existence of fish—well, the joke is inescapable: he put Descartes before the horse. The fact that there was definitely an experience being had didn’t prove that some essentially René Descartesish entity was having it, and it certainly didn’t justify the grandiose edifice he built atop that shaky foundation.' -

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When I think of 'parasites' in the astral or etheric planes, I imagine fragments of thoughts or emotions left behind, imprinted upon a place by certain events which leave a profound resonance. A violent death or suicide in a particular location, for example, could leave behind an imprint which affects people who enter the place to varying degrees. Now, if someone was already depressed and resonated deeply with that imprint, they could 'carry it on' within themselves by allowing that thought or emotional pattern to continue after they've left the area. I think the so-called moral aspect comes in when one attempts to deal with negative feelings in ways that damage health and adversely affect others. People use drugs and alcohol to suppress negative feelings, and the consequences to health and relationships are often negative, thus reinforcing the internal problem, 'feeding the parasite' if you will.

Reading Decartes can be useful, if and only if one takes him with the same attitude he said he tried to bring to his researches. Otherwise it's an exercise in glib scepticiam. A game for college sophomores and little more.