enemies and factions

[dannerz]

So, i recently read the thread about that dude leaving occult behind for the sake of christianity.

Satanical and christian divinities both have enemies and "imperfections".

JW ban magic all together as demonic and evil, for example.

I think the majority of people are working from the wrong plane.

If they only knew how easy and peaceful life could be.

I had a dream about a semi satanic being / divinity.
I remember the surface and ground began to rumble
and reality was shaken, though slightly and with restraint.
I can see why they have at times been mistaken as God.

I know my oversoul is not an ass hat.
He didn't crank out world religion.

That's all for now.

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Also i believe we don't need to abandon the spirit world to find God.
You can keep on finding God more and more, forever.
The order of manifestation is infinite.
It leads into polytheism, not the absolute one-God figure.
I consider it an error of understanding how reality works.
In every thing, there are many, not just One.

 

[KjEno186]

JW ban magic all together as demonic and evil, for example.

My elderly parents have been JWs for around 60 years, having gotten introduced to it when their parents accepted so-called Bible Studies back in the 1950s. As a kindness towards them, I attend their meetings most Sundays. The people there are nice enough on the surface, but quite deluded about what will happen to them in the future. Hint: Jehovah (JW egregore version) won't be saving them from Armageddon for everlasting life on a Paradise Earth.

JW doctrine fits within a nominally Protestant-materialist world view. It's definitely the product of 19th Century industrial era United States culture, and it attempts to marry the dead physical universe of modern science with a completely segregated heaven where God and the angels live. According to JW beliefs, anything that happens on Earth nowadays that doesn't somehow further the interests of The Watchtower Society (aka JW dot org) is the work of the Devil and his demons. Reality begs to differ from such a narrow and self-serving point of view.

So, i recently read the thread about that dude leaving occult behind for the sake of christianity.

Which is strange considering how much of Christianity is based on ancient occult teachings. And the ignorant confuse matters by misrepresenting the "occult" with pop culture references to Ouija boards, haunted houses, demon possessions, etc. By doing so, they cut themselves off from deeper understandings of Cabala (Christian Tree of Life) and how that relates to the teachings found in the Gospels, for example. Dogmatism is only ever self limiting, but I suppose the majority of humanity takes comfort in having a set of unchanging beliefs laid out before them. That may have worked centuries ago when one's neighbors all went to the same church, but nowadays it's quite probable that one will be exposed to many concepts which challenge one's beliefs. Cognitive dissonance, used properly, can be a useful means of learning; however, for those who try to adhere to dogma in the face of reality, such dissonance can become very uncomfortable.

 

[Konsciencia]

Now I been seeing a lot of a Occultist, going to Christianity now. If people only knew what I know so far. It's just sad. The whole point of the Occult is to find God. So now that I found God, people are like that's not God. So what then?

 

[dannerz]

Putting limiting concepts on God means God can't be this way or do that. This limits the amount of possible interpretations and beliefs. People love to talk shit about God. They are becoming more and more ignorant the more firm their faith becomes. But they feel it is a wisdom.

 

[Konsciencia]

Putting limiting concepts on God means God can't be this way or do that. This limits the amount of possible interpretations and beliefs. People love to talk shit about God. They are becoming more and more ignorant the more firm their faith becomes. But they feel it is a wisdom.

I feel you. And, you know what's more fucked up? That these so-called Christians try to convert you that that's the only way and that everything else is not of God. If God didn't wanted people to mess with the Occult, He would not allow it. And, it is not the people's fault, is the people who indoctrinate the masses through their stupid Dogma.

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It's not only Christianity, you got that Muslim religion as well. What the people in these mainstream and organized religions do, is program and divide the masses. And, that's fucked up.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: General Occult Discussion
SUBTOPIC: Enemies and Factions
⁜→ et al,

I might have said this once before: Moving from any type of Occult to only replace it with some other religious faction that worships a different deity is → in point of fact → merely trading one cult for another cult.

I feel you. And, you know what's more fucked up? That these so-called Christians try to convert you that that's the only way and that everything else is not of God. If God didn't wanted people to mess with the Occult, He would not allow it. And, it is not the people's fault, is the people who indoctrinate the masses through their stupid Dogma.

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It's not only Christianity, you got that Muslim religion as well. What the people in these mainstream and organized religions do, is program and divide the masses. And, that's fucked up.

(COMMENT)

The "Christian Bible" is one example of a cult Grimoire.
Changing "water" into "wine" or the "blood" of a supernatural entity is an aspect of "Alchemy" (transmutation).
Walking on water, or feeding many with an unending supply of food (a Miracle) is an aspect of "Magic."
Raising the dead is an example of an aspect within Dark Arts or Forbidden Magic.
The gathering of the Parish on Sunday is very much the same as a Coven coming together.

I could go on and on - but, I think the point is clear enough.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Boswellia]

I agree with Rocco. The bible is a grimoire of ritual practices. There is also a very vested interest in many of the mainstream religions to have a monopoly on God. Power, money, and control are often the motivation.

I think in the Western Mystery Tradition/Occult, there is much more emphasis on personal responsibility. The practitioner is meant to actively practice and is in control of how far they progress. In much of christianity, the parishioners give their power over to the priest or preacher to interpret the divine message rather than discover it for themselves. It takes a lot of work and dedication for those of us who have chosen a more esoteric path. I think it's more work than people want to take on and the risk of being ostracized by family or community, so they choose a path that is more acceptable by the majority of the population.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

So, i recently read the thread about that dude leaving occult behind for the sake of christianity.

Satanical and christian divinities both have enemies and "imperfections".

JW ban magic all together as demonic and evil, for example.

I think the majority of people are working from the wrong plane.

If they only knew how easy and peaceful life could be.

I had a dream about a semi satanic being / divinity.
I remember the surface and ground began to rumble
and reality was shaken, though slightly and with restraint.
I can see why they have at times been mistaken as God.

I know my oversoul is not an ass hat.
He didn't crank out world religion.

That's all for now.

Post automatically merged: Aug 6, 2023

Also i believe we don't need to abandon the spirit world to find God.
You can keep on finding God more and more, forever.
The order of manifestation is infinite.
It leads into polytheism, not the absolute one-God figure.
I consider it an error of understanding how reality works.
In every thing, there are many, not just One.

I among many have took a break from the occult for a while, which is not a bad thing.
We get freakouts and turn to a comfort zone, religion.
Koetting in OAA Flame Discourses (a pretty fair primer on magick imo), says don't turn back, press forward.
I'm still here, doing what I do and now do rituals for others off FB. For a select few.

Post automatically merged: Aug 10, 2023

So, i recently read the thread about that dude leaving occult behind for the sake of christianity.

Satanical and christian divinities both have enemies and "imperfections".

JW ban magic all together as demonic and evil, for example.

I think the majority of people are working from the wrong plane.

If they only knew how easy and peaceful life could be.

I had a dream about a semi satanic being / divinity.
I remember the surface and ground began to rumble
and reality was shaken, though slightly and with restraint.
I can see why they have at times been mistaken as God.

I know my oversoul is not an ass hat.
He didn't crank out world religion.

That's all for now.

Post automatically merged: Aug 6, 2023

Also i believe we don't need to abandon the spirit world to find God.
You can keep on finding God more and more, forever.
The order of manifestation is infinite.
It leads into polytheism, not the absolute one-God figure.
I consider it an error of understanding how reality works.
In every thing, there are many, not just One.

If I were to follow being a good Christian, I would go for Martinism, Roman Catholic, Christian Science and the like.

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The reason being at least for LDS and CS, is that you are taught to be self reliant, to place yourself in the stories as the central character to claim your victories through The Book of Mormon and other LDS writings.
Not a bad thing unless everything flies south.
I'm that case as a Christian would likely turn to Christian Science and Mary Baker Eddy's writings to "I create as I speak" using visualization and scripture or quotes.(Affirmations)

 

[Konsciencia]

I among many have took a break from the occult for a while, which is not a bad thing.
We get freakouts and turn to a comfort zone, religion.
Koetting in OAA Flame Discourses (a pretty fair primer on magick imo), says don't turn back, press forward.
I'm still here, doing what I do and now do rituals for others off FB. For a select few.

Post automatically merged: Aug 10, 2023

If I were to follow being a good Christian, I would go for Martinism, Roman Catholic, Christian Science and the like.

Post automatically merged: Aug 10, 2023

The reason being at least for LDS and CS, is that you are taught to be self reliant, to place yourself in the stories as the central character to claim your victories through The Book of Mormon and other LDS writings.
Not a bad thing unless everything flies south.
I'm that case as a Christian would likely turn to Christian Science and Mary Baker Eddy's writings to "I create as I speak" using visualization and scripture or quotes.(Affirmations)

You really Love the LDS do you? I guess is not so bad. After all, there are Freemasons in that Mormon Church. They could put you up there.

 

[Roma]

there are Freemasons in that Mormon Church

It may be more correct to say that the Mormon church was founded by some Freemasons

Unfortunately it seems that the angel Moroni accidentally used a text with typesetting errors

 

[Xenophon]

So, i recently read the thread about that dude leaving occult behind for the sake of christianity.

Satanical and christian divinities both have enemies and "imperfections".

JW ban magic all together as demonic and evil, for example.

I think the majority of people are working from the wrong plane.

If they only knew how easy and peaceful life could be.

I had a dream about a semi satanic being / divinity.
I remember the surface and ground began to rumble
and reality was shaken, though slightly and with restraint.
I can see why they have at times been mistaken as God.

I know my oversoul is not an ass hat.
He didn't crank out world religion.

That's all for now.

Post automatically merged: Aug 6, 2023

Also i believe we don't need to abandon the spirit world to find God.
You can keep on finding God more and more, forever.
The order of manifestation is infinite.
It leads into polytheism, not the absolute one-God figure.
I consider it an error of understanding how reality works.
In every thing, there are many, not just One.

Why would I want "easy and peaceful"? I grew up in a country where people expect that. As a result, it is truly hard to call the creatures there aught but bipedal larvae. Ease and peace breed up obese and bored. This is as true of spirit as of body.

 

[Iambutastudent]

Kat von D has been all over mainstream news lately for her conversion to Christianity. I think its a bit odd considering the shallow pool of thought many Christians operate on and that many of their numbers still pine for the days when her like would be burned at the stake, but to each their own. Of course, there are esoteric Christian traditions to explore as well, so its not a foregone conclusion that she's confined to the mainstream. All that really matters is how she feels about it though.

 

[Xenophon]

Kat von D has been all over mainstream news lately for her conversion to Christianity. I think its a bit odd considering the shallow pool of thought many Christians operate on and that many of their numbers still pine for the days when her like would be burned at the stake, but to each their own. Of course, there are esoteric Christian traditions to explore as well, so its not a foregone conclusion that she's confined to the mainstream. All that really matters is how she feels about it though.

Actually, Christians get all happily hot 'n bothered over the repentant sinner. Paul of Tarsus claimed he actively persecuted Jews turned Christian, this prior to his conversion. In the novel/movie "The Robe" the centurion who crucified Christ converts and is martyred at the end. So Kat is following a hoary old script.

"All that really matters is how she feels"? I hope that was sarcasm. If I'm lost in the woods, and I "feel" the path West, not East, will get me unlost that MIGHT be a very rough guide for making a turn. What matters, though, is whether my choice is the CORRECT one. So too with Kat. She thinks she's making the wise choice? So does everyone who ever made a disastrously wrong choice. Actions have consequences a whole lot weightier than how we feel. It'd be better if she backed up feelings with reasons. In the end, she'll have to show results because it's these that matter.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

I don't know though then, why there are true stories of demonic possession on people who may or may not dabble, and of Roman Catholic exorcisms that were successful. Or that couple of psychics that have had true stories of dispelling demons from places and or things except for the ones that didn't get exorcized put away under lock and key. It seems some not Christians may be just as deluded as those who say Christians are. Muslims supposedly do exorcisms as well. And Buddhist monos (I think).

 

[Iambutastudent]

Actually, Christians get all happily hot 'n bothered over the repentant sinner

I suppose that's true for many, I take your point.

"All that really matters is how she feels"? I hope that was sarcasm. If I'm lost in the woods, and I "feel" the path West, not East, will get me unlost that MIGHT be a very rough guide for making a turn. What matters, though, is whether my choice is the CORRECT one. So too with Kat. She thinks she's making the wise choice? So does everyone who ever made a disastrously wrong choice. Actions have consequences a whole lot weightier than how we feel. It'd be better if she backed up feelings with reasons. In the end, she'll have to show results because it's these that matter.

No, that wasn't sarcasm. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, her choice is her own. A choice informed by her own thoughts, experiences, and yes, feelings. We're all uniquely positioned to make our own decisions, get what I mean?

Your line of thought following that quote is a bit baffling to me. Is it a foregone conclusion that there is a "correct" choice and that her feelings are not backed up by reasons?

 

[Roma]

Is it a foregone conclusion that there is a "correct" choice

The first task for the spirit that is born as a human generally is to manage its humanness - so that after many incarnations it is ready to take up its proper functions in the cosmos.

There are a few humans that arrive with relatively urgent functions. They may get tipped in the deep end to encourage greater effort.

This can take the form of their family lines being waylaid by adverse entities over many generations.

I was speaking to one such woman this afternoon. With prompting she could see a line of energy hooks in the back of the neck of her younger daughter. When she looked to see who had put the hooks, they were from her three aunts. One aunt refused to take back the hooks. That is not a good sign.

 

[Xenophon]

I suppose that's true for many, I take your point.

No, that wasn't sarcasm. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, her choice is her own. A choice informed by her own thoughts, experiences, and yes, feelings. We're all uniquely positioned to make our own decisions, get what I mean?

Your line of thought following that quote is a bit baffling to me. Is it a foregone conclusion that there is a "correct" choice and that her feelings are not backed up by reasons?

Life is often enough a minefield. There are many correct paths through the field; finding them can be costly.

If her feelings are backed by reasons, the reasons are what is important. If she adduces no reasons, it certainly seems her feelings are whimsy and impulse.

 

[Iambutastudent]

Life is often enough a minefield. There are many correct paths through the field; finding them can be costly.

If her feelings are backed by reasons, the reasons are what is important. If she adduces no reasons, it certainly seems her feelings are whimsy and impulse.

Your perspective is more clear to me now

 

[Xenophon]

Your perspective is more clear to me now

Well-said. You leave open the possibility that it is wrong. (Which is indeed possible.) I might be as full of s*** as a litter of piglets.