How useful is astral projection really?

[Wildchildx11]

I have to admit, I can't Astral Project. Have I had OBEs such as dreams where I felt paralyzed and felt like I was moving through molasses in my bedroom?
Yeah, but I really can't Astral Project and I really don't care about it, because I figure that everything that I would have been able to do through Astral Projection or learn, I could learn in between lives and it would have been easier if I was meant to learn how to Astral Project on my path.

How useful is astral projection really? Couldn't you just learn everything in-between lives.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

The first part sounds like sleep paralysis, where basically your mind kinda wakes up but your body doesn't.

I'll leave it to the experts to talk about astral projection.

 

[KjEno186]

Have I had OBEs such as dreams where I felt paralyzed and felt like I was moving through molasses in my bedroom?

I can confirm the 'moving like molasses in my bedroom' aspect. It has never gotten further than this. I do count this as OOBE because my dreams are never about real places. Having useful Astral Projection would require more than dream consciousness, however, and for me at least it seems that vivid dreams and lucidity come more often with physical illness.

 

[Konsciencia]

I have a long time. Since I've Astral Projected or had an OBE. Unfortunately, I can't Astral Project, unless The Universe or God allows me to. However, based on my experiences with Astral Projection, I Love it. I desire to have more OBE's but for now I stay grounded. Whenever The Universe decides to give me a hand on that, I will be more than happy. Until then, I will remain put and grounded.

 

[Xenophon]

I managed one honest to gods astral projection. It was very vivid, but nothing of consequence happened. The few entities that were there were no more interesting than the neighbors. I have had a couple of injury-related OBE's. Both could be verified by events I saw taking place while unconscious. But what this "proves" is nothing very much.

 

[Wildchildx11]

I managed one honest to gods astral projection. It was very vivid, but nothing of consequence happened. The few entities that were there were no more interesting than the neighbors. I have had a couple of injury-related OBE's. Both could be verified by events I saw taking place while unconscious. But what this "proves" is nothing very much.

It feels like it's a lot of work for often very little information. I know that a lot of powers and senses are a sort of trap because they may occur, but they can get you sort of stuck.

I'm not focusing on Astral projection at all on my path.

 

[Taudefindi]

How useful is astral projection really?

As useful as you make it be, just how it is with many things in life.

It can be a way to go places your physical body can't go, you can also fly.Outside that I think it depends on how you use it.

Usefulness is something subjective that varies from person to person.

 

[stratamaster78]

I managed one honest to gods astral projection. It was very vivid, but nothing of consequence happened. The few entities that were there were no more interesting than the neighbors. I have had a couple of injury-related OBE's. Both could be verified by events I saw taking place while unconscious. But what this "proves" is nothing very much.

I wouldn’t say it say it proves nothing.

I’d say it clearly demonstrates that Consciousness is not tied to the physical body.

In waking life it seems that way though.

 

[pixel_fortune]

I'm very skeptic

I have to admit, I can't Astral Project. Have I had OBEs such as dreams where I felt paralyzed and felt like I was moving through molasses in my bedroom?
Yeah, but I really can't Astral Project and I really don't care about it, because I figure that everything that I would have been able to do through Astral Projection or learn, I could learn in between lives and it would have been easier if I was meant to learn how to Astral Project on my path.

How useful is astral projection really? Couldn't you just learn everything in-between lives.

There are more magical paths/techniques to learn about than you could get through in a lifetime. I strongly believe in not bothering with something you're not excited about.* The opportunity cost is too high. Sure, astral projection probably has some usefulness. But while you're grinding away at that, there's some other, equally useful but more fun thing that you're not learning.

*unless it's a necessary stepping stone to something you ARE excited about, eg visualising basic shapes or w/e

 

[Xenophon]

I wouldn’t say it say it proves nothing.

I’d say it clearly demonstrates that Consciousness is not tied to the physical body.

In waking life it seems that way though.

In the milieu of this forum, I meant, my experience was nothing very significant. Most folks here are down with consciousness not being tied to the body. (Though Graham Greene has a brilliant story where a man "returned from the dead" sets out to prove the immortality of the soul, but it turns out that "survival" is only for a few days till that entity degenerates "into gibbering idiocy.")

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

I would say make the most of yourself in this life, and AP can't hurt.

 

[Xenophon]

I would say make the most of yourself in this life, and AP can't hurt.

An aetherial jet-ski, maybe?

 

[AlfrunGrima]

I am able to collect information that I otherwise not would have collected. I know that because it are experiences I never could have had with my human body attached. After a travel I always a period wherein I find deeper understanding of things, much more than I have had in rituals.
Maybe that is just how my brain is wired: I went when in a coma when I was 17 due to serious illness and it was a near death experience. After that I started to explore how to get out of the body again, which took me several years. Next summer it will be 25 years ago that I was able to do so for the first time and I am stil travelling the astral.

There are a lot people however who have far better results with ritual magic and are not so in astral travel. Teachers in schools know that their pupils have different learning styles. I always have thought it is the same with magicians. Are there teachers in magic here on the forums who can confirm or refute that? (maybe it is worth a new topic, I don't want to derail things)

 

[Konsciencia]

I am able to collect information that I otherwise not would have collected. I know that because it are experiences I never could have had with my human body attached. After a travel I always a period wherein I find deeper understanding of things, much more than I have had in rituals.
Maybe that is just how my brain is wired: I went when in a coma when I was 17 due to serious illness and it was a near death experience. After that I started to explore how to get out of the body again, which took me several years. Next summer it will be 25 years ago that I was able to do so for the first time and I am stil travelling the astral.

There are a lot people however who have far better results with ritual magic and are not so in astral travel. Teachers in schools know that their pupils have different learning styles. I always have thought it is the same with magicians. Are there teachers in magic here on the forums who can confirm or refute that? (maybe it is worth a new topic, I don't want to derail things)

I am not gonna say that I didn't have Out of Body Experiences. But they were very few. I'm yearning for some more.

 

[drewmagick]

The practical applications can include: influencing events in the physical world, communicating with spirits, and gaining insight into the workings of the universe. Healing others, breaking curses, trama release, and divination are a few of the specifics I have done and assisted others with at times.

 

[OberonFromTheHills]

Astral projection is an overrated concept. Just as visualisation/spirit communication/psychic reading, people make a big deal of that while they are many ways to get there.

Most people who say they "can't astral project" just don't have the fully body awareness effect.... Yet most of people manage to still get mental images, feelings, impressions.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: How useful is astral projection really?
SUBTOPIC: Reality (A Metaphysical Study)
⁜ OberonFromTheHills, et al,

(OPENING)

Astral Projection (AP) and Out-of-Body Experiences (OBEs) are dream-like states [AKA: Altered State of Consciousness (ASC)] "usually" "induced" via (nonstandard) chemical or medical means. It is subjective in almost every case - the facts of the experience being reported or recounted by the person having had the experience. While some researchers consider such reports as paranormal, there is no proof of that. The more skeptical scientists consider the phenomenon as an event of the mind - somehow manipulating memories of the event.

Astral projection is an overrated concept. Just as visualisation/spirit communication/psychic reading, people make a big deal of that while they are many ways to get there.

Most people who say they "can't astral project" just don't have the fully body awareness effect.... Yet most of people manage to still get mental images, feelings, impressions.

(COMMENT)

The memory abilities (capturing the surrounding activity) are NOT always curtailed in the ASC; however induced. Coupled with the various levels of imagination produces some startling mental imagery. Active imagination can produce altered beliefs of reality which was never - and perhaps - could not have occurred. These types of altered recollections are compounded by the initiative nature of any one person's mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[drewmagick]

RE: How useful is astral projection really?
SUBTOPIC: Reality (A Metaphysical Study)
⁜ OberonFromTheHills, et al,

(OPENING)

Astral Projection (AP) and Out-of-Body Experiences (OBEs) are dream-like states [AKA: Altered State of Consciousness (ASC)] "usually" "induced" via (nonstandard) chemical or medical means. It is subjective in almost every case - the facts of the experience being reported or recounted by the person having had the experience. While some researchers consider such reports as paranormal, there is no proof of that. The more skeptical scientists consider the phenomenon as an event of the mind - somehow manipulating memories of the event.


(COMMENT)

The memory abilities (capturing the surrounding activity) are NOT always curtailed in the ASC; however induced. Coupled with the various levels of imagination produces some startling mental imagery. Active imagination can produce altered beliefs of reality which was never - and perhaps - could not have occurred. These types of altered recollections are compounded by the initiative nature of any one person's mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is precisely the sort of thing I used to believe about astral travel.

 

[Konsciencia]

RE: How useful is astral projection really?
SUBTOPIC: Reality (A Metaphysical Study)
⁜ OberonFromTheHills, et al,

(OPENING)

Astral Projection (AP) and Out-of-Body Experiences (OBEs) are dream-like states [AKA: Altered State of Consciousness (ASC)] "usually" "induced" via (nonstandard) chemical or medical means. It is subjective in almost every case - the facts of the experience being reported or recounted by the person having had the experience. While some researchers consider such reports as paranormal, there is no proof of that. The more skeptical scientists consider the phenomenon as an event of the mind - somehow manipulating memories of the event.


(COMMENT)

The memory abilities (capturing the surrounding activity) are NOT always curtailed in the ASC; however induced. Coupled with the various levels of imagination produces some startling mental imagery. Active imagination can produce altered beliefs of reality which was never - and perhaps - could not have occurred. These types of altered recollections are compounded by the initiative nature of any one person's mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

Shit, if the Out of Body Experiences is of the mind? Then, I must be dreaming. A lot of people, especially Scientists tend to really believe that leaving the Body ain't possible. Our Spirit leaves every night when we go to sleep. The dreamland as I call it. It's a liminal space. Kinda like a curtain for you not to see what the Soul is doing while Out of Body. So you can't tell me that is all in my head because it is not. This is real. I've had it. And it was the most incredible experience ever. But, unless you experience it for yourself. Don't believe a word I say.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: How useful is astral projection reality?
SUBTOPIC: Reality (A Metaphysical Study)
⁜ OberonFromTheHills, et al,

(OPENING)

The "mind" is a very remarkable complex faculty. But, knowledge of the "mind" (where it resides, how it connects to the body, how it manages thought and perception) is quite unknown.

Our Spirit leaves every night when we go to sleep. The dreamland as I call it. It's a liminal space. Kinda like a curtain for you not to see what the Soul is doing while Out of Body.

(COMMENT)

IF there is such a thing as a spirit (some supernatural quality, mystic property, or mysterious phantasm) that our collective sensory abilities can detect, THEN it has an energy that can be captured. For instance: IF someone claims to have "seen" (without further interpretation) an apparition of any sort THEN the apparition has either radiated energy or reflected energy.

Most Respectfully,
R