Animals and the Left Hand Path

[Wintruz]

Whether in the guise of vampires, aliens, etc., humans fear that the Übermensch will treat them as they have treated the so-called "lower" animals.

The Right Hand Paths' sacrifice of animals has no place on the Left Hand Path. The gap between humanity and divinity indicated by such an offering is antithetical to a path of self-divinisation but it goes even deeper than that. Those who recognise that something within themselves can be divinised also see that same something, in a different form, in other consciousnesses. That is a thing to be valued, not hurt to please a metaphysical tyrant.

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to Satan's association with hooves and horns, animals, and those evolutionary patterns which humans share with them, have long been sacrosanct to those on spiritually dissident paths. In a world where cruelty to animals is sickeningly widespread and industrialised, to claim affinity with animals is in itself an antinomian act. This affinity has its deepest roots in recognising beings whose consciousness is not at odds with their biology, who are at ease with themselves, who are free from the neuroses peculiar to humans. These are all worthy states of being.

For this reason, films and media which depict diabolists as driven by cruelty to animals are easily seen as a projection by those who are themselves incapable of being at ease with their own animal nature. Like our friends in ancient times, we're happy to be

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. Yet let the abuser, including no shortage of deranged "black magicians", be aware; pick on something smaller and more vital than yourself and you might find that something bigger and scarier than you is watching on.

 

[Xenophon]

Whether in the guise of vampires, aliens, etc., humans fear that the Übermensch will treat them as they have treated the so-called "lower" animals.

The Right Hand Paths' sacrifice of animals has no place on the Left Hand Path. The gap between humanity and divinity indicated by such an offering is antithetical to a path of self-divinisation but it goes even deeper than that. Those who recognise that something within themselves can be divinised also see that same something, in a different form, in other consciousnesses. That is a thing to be valued, not hurt to please a metaphysical tyrant.

From Dracula's

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to the Third Reich's

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to Satan's association with hooves and horns, animals, and those evolutionary patterns which humans share with them, have long been sacrosanct to those on spiritually dissident paths. In a world where cruelty to animals is sickeningly widespread and industrialised, to claim affinity with animals is in itself an antinomian act. This affinity has its deepest roots in recognising beings whose consciousness is not at odds with their biology, who are at ease with themselves, who are free from the neuroses peculiar to humans. These are all worthy states of being.

For this reason, films and media which depict diabolists as driven by cruelty to animals are easily seen as a projection by those who are themselves incapable of being at ease with their own animal nature. Like our friends in ancient times, we're happy to be

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. Yet let the abuser, including no shortage of deranged "black magicians", be aware; pick on something smaller and more vital than yourself and you might find that something bigger and scarier than you is watching on.

Unfortunately, a lot of wankers think the first thing they have to do after "selling my soul to Satan" (Meaningless Exercise #1) is go sacrifice a cat or some such. I trash the folks at Joy of Satan from time to time, but they do have an absolute prohibition on animal sacrifice. (Human too, since they're as prissily law abiding as a coven of Young Republicans on Election Night Eve.)

 

[stratamaster78]

I wasn't aware that RHP folks are out there sacrificing animals.

Same for LHP.

I've never looked at this practice as pertaining to any particular path.

It's just something done by deranged and cruel narcissistic assholes who see animals as 'less than' humans.

It's not path specific... is it?

 

[Wintruz]

Unfortunately, a lot of wankers think the first thing they have to do after "selling my soul to Satan" (Meaningless Exercise #1) is go sacrifice a cat or some such. I trash the folks at Joy of Satan from time to time, but they do have an absolute prohibition on animal sacrifice. (Human too, since they're as prissily law abiding as a coven of Young Republicans on Election Night Eve.)

Same with the ONA who regard abuse of animals as an indication of obvious inferiority (thus animal abusers make suitable opfers). The Temple of Set too have an Arkte element which centres on assisting animals and cursing their abusers. Even LaVey, who needed setting right about many things, wrote with admiration about animals though it didn't stop him from abusing Togare and Zeena's puppy.

I have encountered one, whose name I won't mention lest he get undeserved energy, "devil worshipper" who advocates animal sacrifice. Virtually every page of his puerile book screams of his inability to truly let go of fundamentalist Evangelicalism.

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I wasn't aware that RHP folks are out there sacrificing animals.

It's not path specific... is it?

Leviticus 12:6
“And when the days of her purifying are completed, whether for a son or for a daughter, she shall bring to the priest at the entrance of the tent of meeting a lamb a year old for a burnt offering, and a pigeon or a turtledove for a sin offering,

Genesis 8:20-22
Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done. While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”

Genesis 4:3-5
So in the course of time, Cain brought some of the fruit of the soil as an offering to the LORD, while Abel brought the best portions of the firstborn of his flock. And the LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, but He had no regard for Cain and his offering.

Surah Al-Hajj Ayat 37
It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah

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and go to 10:50. Warning, not for the faint of heart.

I can give many, many more sources showing that the RHP gets to own this one.

 

[stratamaster78]

Your quoting Bible scriptures and citing Religions.

RHP does not exactly equal either.

I meant there aren’t RHP practitioners out there right now just offing animals as a part of their practice.

I’m sure there are some crazy degenerates doing it but it’s not because of their path.

Somebody that would do that would do it no matter their path… because they are shitty people.

 

[Wintruz]

Your quoting Bible scriptures and citing Religions.

RHP does not exactly equal either.

I meant there aren’t RHP practitioners out there right now just offing animals as a part of their practice.

I’m sure there are some crazy degenerates doing it but it’s not because of their path.

Somebody that would do that would do it no matter their path… because they are shitty people.

How are you defining the Right Hand Path? Can you give some examples of systems which satisfy your definition?

It's an idiosyncratic definition of the Right Hand Path which distinguishes it from religion (= religare ‘to bind’ or "to unite with God", literally the definition of mysticism). If you wanted to split it into an exoteric and esoteric understanding, you're still stuck with the esoteric theologians from which modern RHP occultism emerged, defending the spirit of the letter but often arguing that they're synonymous anyway. In other words, you don't get to disown the parts that are uncomfortable; the same sources which talk about ascending to God, defend sacrificing animals to him.

 

[stratamaster78]

I would suppose I view the RHP as working to fully dissolve your individual ego as you ascend the Tree of Life while balancing and reintegrating elemental and planetary energies along the way.

At the end/apex of that journey you are faced with a decision to either rejoin/merge with the Source consciousness from which you came or to purposely reincarnate at Malkuth to help others accomplish the same thing.

Then I view the LHP as working to retain their Ego as they become a Divine Deity or Apotheosis as they work the Qlippoth.

I’m not going to say this is 100% right but that it’s my understanding of the two paths.

But neither in my mind is tied to any specific Religion or a definite set of practices.

Just speaking for myself I practice in a way that would be pegged as RHP but I’m absolutely not a Christian.

I don’t hurt animals either and I never have and I’m sure that many many other RHP practitioners haven’t either.

Just because scriptures from 1,000’s of years ago say ‘Do This’ doesn’t mean people today do it.

To me it feels like you are conflating Archaic OT Bible BS with the RHP.

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[Xenophon]

Same with the ONA who regard abuse of animals as an indication of obvious inferiority (thus animal abusers make suitable opfers). The Temple of Set too have an Arkte element which centres on assisting animals and cursing their abusers. Even LaVey, who needed setting right about many things, wrote with admiration about animals though it didn't stop him from abusing Togare and Zeena's puppy.

I have encountered one, whose name I won't mention lest he get undeserved energy, "devil worshipper" who advocates animal sacrifice. Virtually every page of his puerile book screams of his inability to truly let go of fundamentalist Evangelicalism.

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Leviticus 12:6
“And when the days of her purifying are completed, whether for a son or for a daughter, she shall bring to the priest at the entrance of the tent of meeting a lamb a year old for a burnt offering, and a pigeon or a turtledove for a sin offering,

Genesis 8:20-22
Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done. While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”

Genesis 4:3-5
So in the course of time, Cain brought some of the fruit of the soil as an offering to the LORD, while Abel brought the best portions of the firstborn of his flock. And the LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, but He had no regard for Cain and his offering.

Surah Al-Hajj Ayat 37
It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah

For a short feature, by the BBC, on a composite of Christianity and West African Traditional religion click

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and go to 10:50. Warning, not for the faint of heart.

I can give many, many more sources showing that the RHP gets to own this one.

I read a grimoire last year advocating sacrifices like you mention. Its author either was sent up for murder or killed himself. I can't remember which. The group had two leading (dark) lights and the twain wound up as I just noted. This was in Sweden several some years back.

 

[Pyrokar]

I would suppose I view the RHP as working to fully dissolve your individual ego as you ascend the Tree of Life while balancing and reintegrating elemental and planetary energies along the way.

At the end/apex of that journey you are faced with a decision to either rejoin/merge with the Source consciousness from which you came or to purposely reincarnate at Malkuth to help others accomplish the same thing.

Then I view the LHP as working to retain their Ego as they become a Divine Deity or Apotheosis as they work the Qlippoth.

I’m not going to say this is 100% right but that it’s my understanding of the two paths.

But neither in my mind is tied to any specific Religion or a definite set of practices.

Just speaking for myself I practice in a way that would be pegged as RHP but I’m absolutely not a Christian.

I don’t hurt animals either and I never have and I’m sure that many many other RHP practitioners haven’t either.

Just because scriptures from 1,000’s of years ago say ‘Do This’ doesn’t mean people today do it.

To me it feels like you are conflating Archaic OT Bible BS with the RHP.

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the question was to name the ideology or paradigm you define as "Rhp"
an example of a system.
This reply is aggravating as it's just dancing around "The Kabbalah"
that is the system within which you associate
and it's right to dance around as it's jewish roots have the likes of passing
personal sins into chickens and then stomp them into the ground as a way of cleansing lol

i never thought about it before but it makes sense easily,
animal sacrifice is a RHP thing through and through.
hmmm guess both sides use it, for differing purposes pleasing the Big G vs fueling spells?
though there is room to say the left has traces of it too, supposedly for different goals
Don't the Satanists use the ram?


-TANGENT
the Romanian witches have an entire documentary with VICE on yt where they gather to
throw a curse on the government (yes really) and a minute or two is placed
on the main babushka with a lamb/goat which is implied to have been game ended during the ritual
and they kill a chicken too lol poor gluck gluck's
I don't put much faith in the "legitimacy" of such magick but i guess it's distantly related to the subject.

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added - i just realized the "practitioners" from the video
would definatly place themselves as RHP

 

[Xenophon]

the question was to name the ideology or paradigm you define as "Rhp"
an example of a system.
This reply is aggravating as it's just dancing around "The Kabbalah"
that is the system within which you associate
and it's right to dance around as it's jewish roots have the likes of passing
personal sins into chickens and then stomp them into the ground as a way of cleansing lol

i never thought about it before but it makes sense easily,
animal sacrifice is a RHP thing through and through.
hmmm guess both sides use it, for differing purposes pleasing the Big G vs fueling spells?
though there is room to say the left has traces of it too, supposedly for different goals
Don't the Satanists use the ram?


-TANGENT
the Romanian witches have an entire documentary with VICE on yt where they gather to
throw a curse on the government (yes really) and a minute or two is placed
on the main babushka with a lamb/goat which is implied to have been game ended during the ritual
and they kill a chicken too lol poor gluck gluck's
I don't put much faith in the "legitimacy" of such magick but i guess it's distantly related to the subject.

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added - i just realized the "practitioners" from the video
would definatly place themselves as RHP

Individuals who make videos and documentaries of themselves cursing the government (or whoever) are better classed as exhibitionists than as magi. LARPER's in the deep end of the self-delusion pool. Like Jesus said in a different context, "They have their reward---ten minutes of You Tube notoriety."

 

[Pyrokar]

Individuals who make videos and documentaries of themselves cursing the government (or whoever) are better classed as exhibitionists than as magi. LARPER's in the deep end of the self-delusion pool. Like Jesus said in a different context, "They have their reward---ten minutes of You Tube notoriety."

Vice news is not an individual so im getting an impression you didn't watch the video but its fine.
i mean, imagine the balls to call yourself the most powerful witch in EUROPE and later even the world.
she put an advert on her home fence/gate with facebook links and all.
plus their Los Angeles helper "lazarus" sending "love and unconditional love" for a curse lol
it's not a total fluke though, as fake as they can get they have to base their praxis on something, ethnic traditions are like that for sure.

 

[stratamaster78]

the question was to name the ideology or paradigm you define as "Rhp"
an example of a system.
This reply is aggravating as it's just dancing around "The Kabbalah"
that is the system within which you associate
and it's right to dance around as it's jewish roots have the likes of passing
personal sins into chickens and then stomp them into the ground as a way of cleansing lol

i never thought about it before but it makes sense easily,
animal sacrifice is a RHP thing through and through.
hmmm guess both sides use it, for differing purposes pleasing the Big G vs fueling spells?
though there is room to say the left has traces of it too, supposedly for different goals
Don't the Satanists use the ram?


-TANGENT
the Romanian witches have an entire documentary with VICE on yt where they gather to
throw a curse on the government (yes really) and a minute or two is placed
on the main babushka with a lamb/goat which is implied to have been game ended during the ritual
and they kill a chicken too lol poor gluck gluck's
I don't put much faith in the "legitimacy" of such magick but i guess it's distantly related to the subject.

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added - i just realized the "practitioners" from the video
would definatly place themselves as RHP

My intention was not to dance around anything or annoy anyone.

I answered as best I could what I thought each path boiled down to.

But I find the whole premise of this thread ridiculous and childish and full of binary thinking with a dash of edgy.

I’d say the same thing if this was started in the RHP side of the forum with finger wagging at the LHP.

I mean fucks sake grow up.

 

[Xenophon]

My intention was not to dance around anything or annoy anyone.

I answered as best I could what I thought each path boiled down to.

But I find the whole premise of this thread ridiculous and childish and full of binary thinking with a dash of edgy.

I’d say the same thing if this was started in the RHP side of the forum with finger wagging at the LHP.

I mean fucks sake grow up.

I like plain talk in a thread. Kudos, irrespective of POV

 

[Aeternus]

the question was to name the ideology or paradigm you define as "Rhp"
an example of a system.
This reply is aggravating as it's just dancing around "The Kabbalah"
that is the system within which you associate
and it's right to dance around as it's jewish roots have the likes of passing
personal sins into chickens and then stomp them into the ground as a way of cleansing lol

i never thought about it before but it makes sense easily,
animal sacrifice is a RHP thing through and through.
hmmm guess both sides use it, for differing purposes pleasing the Big G vs fueling spells?
though there is room to say the left has traces of it too, supposedly for different goals
Don't the Satanists use the ram?


-TANGENT
the Romanian witches have an entire documentary with VICE on yt where they gather to
throw a curse on the government (yes really) and a minute or two is placed
on the main babushka with a lamb/goat which is implied to have been game ended during the ritual
and they kill a chicken too lol poor gluck gluck's
I don't put much faith in the "legitimacy" of such magick but i guess it's distantly related to the subject.

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added - i just realized the "practitioners" from the video
would definatly place themselves as RHP

Well, those witches are basing their traditions on the Gypsy folk I think.

And, yeah, they may call themselves RHP but honestly, don't too much act like it. Or I may be wrong and it is some watered down black pagan spells that they are practicing, who knows.

But one thing is certain, as I live in Romania, I can say that most of them are just the usual "I will bring your lover back" type of scammer witches, but in other situations, they are having their real deal, although with a lot of syncretism from what I can see.

I remember I came across the website and profile of the Bratara witch which was both practicing Angelic Magix (syncretized RHP) and Demon Magic (syncretized LHP).

 

[Wintruz]

But I find the whole premise of this thread ridiculous and childish and full of binary thinking with a dash of edgy.

I mean fucks sake grow up.

I think it's obvious that we're on very different wavelengths. However...

The initial post which has so upset you (which nobody forced you to reply to) discussed the relationship between the Left Hand Path and the wider position of animals in contemporary society and how, in this society, identification with animals can be an antinomian act. It is simply a fact of history that present-day negative social attitudes towards animals have been powerfully influenced by the Abrahamic religions. In essence, the Abrahamic religions do meet the definition of the Right Hand Path which you've proposed and, as I'm sure you're aware, the very language and concepts which you're using to define your own path come from Judaism, the first Abrahamic religion:

I would suppose I view the RHP as working to fully dissolve your individual ego as you ascend the Tree of Life while balancing and reintegrating elemental and planetary energies along the way.

At the end/apex of that journey you are faced with a decision to either rejoin/merge with the Source consciousness from which you came or to purposely reincarnate at Malkuth to help others accomplish the same thing.

When the superfluousness is taken away, I think this is actually a pretty good definition of the RHP and it is one that most Abrahamic theologians would agree with, even if they use slightly different terminology. You'll see strong similarities with the "Aerial toll houses" of Eastern Orthodoxy for example.

I don’t hurt animals either and I never have and I’m sure that many many other RHP practitioners haven’t either.

Just because scriptures from 1,000’s of years ago say ‘Do This’ doesn’t mean people today do it.

To me it feels like you are conflating Archaic OT Bible BS with the RHP.

Again, that "Archaic OT Bible BS" is the source of the same Cabala which you have used to define your own Path as a Right Hand Path. It wasn't invented by MacGregor Mathers. The very term "Tree of Life" is used but sentences before the Cain and Able sacrifice story that I quoted above.

There are millions of people still practicing animal sacrifice today, right now as I type, who do so with exactly the same intention of using it to unite with "the Source consciousness from which you came", sometimes by projecting their own animalism onto the beast that they're slaughtering. What do you think kosher and halal butchery are really about?

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. I've provided links and I can provide many, many more if you really want to see the horror. Yet, presented with these, your response so far has been to write something that amounts to "that's not the real RHP" or "that's not my RHP". You may well have your own definitions and that's great but you do not get to redefine the beliefs of billions of others who call themselves RHP and it is those beliefs, rather than some niche personal beliefs, to which my post was responding.

Then I view the LHP as working to retain their Ego as they become a Divine Deity or Apotheosis as they work the Qlippoth.

Nope, nothing to do with me.

 

[Pyrokar]

that's not the real RHP" or "that's not my RHP".

exactly. it felt as if they expected a cookie or a medal for being different than the rest
but in the scope of the dogma those who do not act like everyone else are not a hero but a failing believer, inviting some sort of punishment
but i decided to wait and check that it isn't just me, since i can't seem go one post without clashing swords with someone over the most obvious things.

animals, sacrifice, and the different approaches or views between the two hands to them is a valid subject worthy of a post, study and debate
it's endlessly ironic to figure such a thing to have a strong presence in the pompous holier-than-thou "good guys"
(let's not mention that one time dude almost sacrificed his son until the last second)
but it's logical. the big G put those creatures there for that purpose, or so they say.
and the left antithesis isn't so much about loving wildlife either, it might be sympathy, as well as indifference, rebellion or refusal to
go through such hoops in return for favors.

it would have been a good bit of discourse to learn from but we're apparently not ready to go there just yet.

 

[stratamaster78]

I think it's obvious that we're on very different wavelengths. However...

The initial post which has so upset you (which nobody forced you to reply to) discussed the relationship between the Left Hand Path and the wider position of animals in contemporary society and how, in this society, identification with animals can be an antinomian act. It is simply a fact of history that present-day negative social attitudes towards animals have been powerfully influenced by the Abrahamic religions. In essence, the Abrahamic religions do meet the definition of the Right Hand Path which you've proposed and, as I'm sure you're aware, the very language and concepts which you're using to define your own path come from Judaism, the first Abrahamic religion:

When the superfluousness is taken away, I think this is actually a pretty good definition of the RHP and it is one that most Abrahamic theologians would agree with, even if they use slightly different terminology. You'll see strong similarities with the "Aerial toll houses" of Eastern Orthodoxy for example.

Again, that "Archaic OT Bible BS" is the source of the same Cabala which you have used to define your own Path as a Right Hand Path. It wasn't invented by MacGregor Mathers. The very term "Tree of Life" is used but sentences before the Cain and Able sacrifice story that I quoted above.

There are millions of people still practicing animal sacrifice today, right now as I type, who do so with exactly the same intention of using it to unite with "the Source consciousness from which you came", sometimes by projecting their own animalism onto the beast that they're slaughtering. What do you think kosher and halal butchery are really about?

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. I've provided links and I can provide many, many more if you really want to see the horror. Yet, presented with these, your response so far has been to write something that amounts to "that's not the real RHP" or "that's not my RHP". You may well have your own definitions and that's great but you do not get to redefine the beliefs of billions of others who call themselves RHP and it is those beliefs, rather than some niche personal beliefs, to which my post was responding.

Nope, nothing to do with me.

It could be that I'm just misunderstanding you.

I'm honestly just fatigued at this point by tribalism within the Occult community and get frustrated by attempts to (seemingly) foster further division.

I agree with you that Animal sacrifice has no place on the Left Hand Path.

It has no place on the Right Hand Path either or Any path.

I also do not disagree with you that the act has a history in the Bible or Abrahamic Religions.

But maybe where the larger divide lays is that I admit you are possibly approaching this from a Global Historical view and it's persistence on a Global scale and I am approaching it from a Western Modern Day Civilized view where it's rarely practiced.

Most of my experiences and interactions within the Occult community is with North American/English Ceremonial Lodge style Magick and Practices and Rituals.

I've honestly never once met anyone who uses this barbaric practice or even heard about a third party who used it. I've never seen or read about about it being used in a Modern way from a Modern text with a RHP slanted view.

Maybe some do it but don't talk about it. Maybe secret papers or scrolls exist to inner order members. But again I've never met anyone who openly talked about it.

I've also ran in a few circles with those on a Pagan/Witchcraft/Folk Magick path and no one has ever openly talked about ever doing something like this.

But I feel like (and correct me if I'm wrong) you are saying that Animal sacrifice began solely as a RHP invention and that it's just been passed down through the ages for 1,000s of years unfettered and never stopped and runs rampant within the RHP and is no part of any other path except for the few instances someone from the LHP adopted it when they shouldn't have and it needs to be eradicated (I 100% agree it needs to end wherever it's practiced).

So from my view... what I'm trying to get across is not really me saying in some whiney voice 'That's not the REAL RHP!! or Not MY RHP!!'...

I'm saying it's (from my experience) Not Modern Civilized Western RHP.

As far as I know we don't have various GD, AA, OTO Lodges across North America where it's being taught to Sacrifice Animals for any purpose. Nor do I know of any Folk Magick/Witchcraft practitioners who would self align w/ the RHP and do it.

You seem to be saying it's still a Global practice among some that would self align as RHP.

I can't disagree with that part.

I just don't think it's a broad brush stroke that applies to everyone and especially in my part of the world.

Fwiw I'm not really upset so much as frustrated. I'm just so beyond tired of LHP vs RHP squabbles and you are right no one forced me to read the thread or post in it. When I come to the site I go straight to 'What's New' and it was the 1st thread and the Title drew my interest.

I made it to the 1st sentence of paragraph two and my mind went into 'Oh FFS' mode.

As for my comments about the LHP and the Qlippoth, I didn't mean to say that was your way of practicing but that it was my understanding of LHP for Western Ceremonial style Cabbalistic practice though I could still be wrong because I haven't personally pursued or heavily studied the LHP.

My understanding has been RHP= To do away w/ the Ego to reach/unite with the Divine while the LHP= Retain the Ego and become the divine. Anyone feel free to correct me on that as well.

I apologize for any attitude from previous posts. I'm not really trying to have a heated argument or anything.

Again just tired of division and finger pointing and tribalism.

 

[Yazata]

Civilized argument gentlemen

 

[Xenophon]

Vice news is not an individual so im getting an impression you didn't watch the video but its fine.
i mean, imagine the balls to call yourself the most powerful witch in EUROPE and later even the world.
she put an advert on her home fence/gate with facebook links and all.
plus their Los Angeles helper "lazarus" sending "love and unconditional love" for a curse lol
it's not a total fluke though, as fake as they can get they have to base their praxis on something, ethnic traditions are like that for sure.

Oh I dunno, I've seen guys from Calgary to Yucatan, from Beijing to Belgrade call themselves the baddest berserker in the barroom or on the block. Some could back the claim; most didn't have a whole lot of verificatory punch, though. They suffered the same problem as most of your witches: they based claims on genuine power, without knowing the real extent of the power. Which is not to castigate them completely. That's why we compete: to measure power.

Re: the video, my apologies. Local Internet blocks most foreign vid sources. The authorities here have, as it were, tied the Tubes.

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It could be that I'm just misunderstanding you.

I'm honestly just fatigued at this point by tribalism within the Occult community and get frustrated by attempts to (seemingly) foster further division.

I agree with you that Animal sacrifice has no place on the Left Hand Path.

It has no place on the Right Hand Path either or Any path.

I also do not disagree with you that the act has a history in the Bible or Abrahamic Religions.

But maybe where the larger divide lays is that I admit you are possibly approaching this from a Global Historical view and it's persistence on a Global scale and I am approaching it from a Western Modern Day Civilized view where it's rarely practiced.

Most of my experiences and interactions within the Occult community is with North American/English Ceremonial Lodge style Magick and Practices and Rituals.

I've honestly never once met anyone who uses this barbaric practice or even heard about a third party who used it. I've never seen or read about about it being used in a Modern way from a Modern text with a RHP slanted view.

Maybe some do it but don't talk about it. Maybe secret papers or scrolls exist to inner order members. But again I've never met anyone who openly talked about it.

I've also ran in a few circles with those on a Pagan/Witchcraft/Folk Magick path and no one has ever openly talked about ever doing something like this.

But I feel like (and correct me if I'm wrong) you are saying that Animal sacrifice began solely as a RHP invention and that it's just been passed down through the ages for 1,000s of years unfettered and never stopped and runs rampant within the RHP and is no part of any other path except for the few instances someone from the LHP adopted it when they shouldn't have and it needs to be eradicated (I 100% agree it needs to end wherever it's practiced).

So from my view... what I'm trying to get across is not really me saying in some whiney voice 'That's not the REAL RHP!! or Not MY RHP!!'...

I'm saying it's (from my experience) Not Modern Civilized Western RHP.

As far as I know we don't have various GD, AA, OTO Lodges across North America where it's being taught to Sacrifice Animals for any purpose. Nor do I know of any Folk Magick/Witchcraft practitioners who would self align w/ the RHP and do it.

You seem to be saying it's still a Global practice among some that would self align as RHP.

I can't disagree with that part.

I just don't think it's a broad brush stroke that applies to everyone and especially in my part of the world.

Fwiw I'm not really upset so much as frustrated. I'm just so beyond tired of LHP vs RHP squabbles and you are right no one forced me to read the thread or post in it. When I come to the site I go straight to 'What's New' and it was the 1st thread and the Title drew my interest.

I made it to the 1st sentence of paragraph two and my mind went into 'Oh FFS' mode.

As for my comments about the LHP and the Qlippoth, I didn't mean to say that was your way of practicing but that it was my understanding of LHP for Western Ceremonial style Cabbalistic practice though I could still be wrong because I haven't personally pursued or heavily studied the LHP.

My understanding has been RHP= To do away w/ the Ego to reach/unite with the Divine while the LHP= Retain the Ego and become the divine. Anyone feel free to correct me on that as well.

I apologize for any attitude from previous posts. I'm not really trying to have a heated argument or anything.

Again just tired of division and finger pointing and tribalism.

You are right that today animal sacrifice is pretty much passe, outre, or whatever a Frenchman says when he wants to declare something unfashionable. There are some holdouts, yes, but they're scarcely popular.

Personally, I say the real Holucaust today is the amount of irreplaceable time we all are expected to sacrifice making a relatively small number of de facto magi needlessly wealthy. (They must be magi: how else to keep the swindle going decade after decade?) But that's fodder for a different thread.

 

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If i may i will let my thoughs about this here.I dont think left or right is the issue.It happens a lot more that we all think it does.fom orthodox christian sacrificing bulls at a insland in Greece ,Shamans in Peru using lama ebryos(and or humans) as offering to pachamama, hindus offfing goats(and or humans) at the feet of Kamakhya,Alchemists using freshly killed cows to make bees,african tradition using everything animal or human related in some way,chinese medicine offing all living things,Agrippas blood as bonding agent fumigation recipes to folk traditions with chickens at the foundation of new buildings etc I also do not agree .Do i have a say in it?Does this affect my practice?Can i judge those who do this things and if so why?Am i in charge of the hole universe and if so why I am letting that happen?lets dont blame each other ,lets try to unfuck this vicious cycle .But on the other hand i know shit!