Demons & YHWH

[Slytherin]

While constructing my shield, I conjure a sphere of white light with YHWH and build up with Ki, Psi, aether etc. I have evoked demons and talked to them. Will the use of Tetragrammaton hamper my interaction and potentially prevent curse casting through petitioning the demon

 

[Amur]

Tetragrammaton is there for your protection. Tetragrammaton in a way is just Fire-Water-Air-Earth for example. These also have their negative aspects, so in a way you can invert the Tetragrammaton to the Evil side by using the - aspect of the elements inside the Tetragrammaton, this should be pleasing to the demon.

 

[Slytherin]

Tetragrammaton is there for your protection. Tetragrammaton in a way is just Fire-Water-Air-Earth for example. These also have their negative aspects, so in a way you can invert the Tetragrammaton to the Evil side by using the - aspect of the elements inside the Tetragrammaton, this should be pleasing to the demon.

Pazuzu, Dra'talon, Glasya Labolas never bothered me with my usage of divine shields. They just communicated telepathically (I can penetrate human minds myself) and went ahead

@Amur How to invert the Tetragrammaton to the Evil side? Write or visualise YHWH upside down?

 

[Amur]

Pazuzu, Dra'talon, Glasya Labolas never bothered me with my usage of divine shields. They just communicated telepathically (I can penetrate human minds myself) and went ahead

@Amur How to invert the Tetragrammaton to the Evil side? Write or visualise YHWH upside down?

Well do a symbolical link to yourself of the negative aspects of the elements. The elements are bound by the pentagram, but the inverted pentagram denotes Matter over Spirit, and that's the 'evil' side.

**edit note: You could do your own sigil with the tetragrammaton and then always use that.

 

[Aeternus]

Pazuzu, Dra'talon, Glasya Labolas never bothered me with my usage of divine shields. They just communicated telepathically (I can penetrate human minds myself) and went ahead

@Amur How to invert the Tetragrammaton to the Evil side? Write or visualise YHWH upside down?

Hm, that's interesting. Back when I used to contact Demons, whenever I would use Tetragramaton shield, I would have some difficulties.

Also, mind telling me in private more about Dra'talon, you got me curious.

 

[Sabbatius]

While constructing my shield, I conjure a sphere of white light with YHWH and build up with Ki, Psi, aether etc. I have evoked demons and talked to them. Will the use of Tetragrammaton hamper my interaction and potentially prevent curse casting through petitioning the demon

Are you utilizing the Gnostic aspect of the Tetragrammaton or the actual Hebrew/Judaic current? I'm just curious.

Regardless of the use, considering the Solomonic sources used the Evoking Circle and Triangle with names of the Hebrew Daddy along with Angelic forces, yet were able to bring about results, I think you are all good.

 

[Mars]

How do you even evoke "demons"? No one could ever give me a proper answer. Or any other "entity" for that matter?

 

[Aeternus]

How do you even evoke "demons"? No one could ever give me a proper answer. Or any other "entity" for that matter?

You evoke Demons by focusing on their enns and sigils. It's important that you invite them in a circle or triangle, as seen in the Lesser Key of Solomon.

Evoking a Demon is a little bit tricky since, at times, when Demons sense they will be trapped in some way, they will hesitate to come. But after some work, you eventually get to invite them and temporarily trap them into that circle.

Evocation of Demons isn't that difficult if you have the necessary tools such as altar, a circle to bind them, specific offerings for them in the end and also the dedicated candles and respecting their planetary correspondences.

In fact, evocation of a Demon itself is far more easier than invocation. Bringing a demon by invoking is a lot of hard work and dependant on a lot of factors such as the energetic body protection if you have done certain protection rituals you may not be able to get into invoking Demons that easy and also the space and requirement for what you are invoking the said Demon for.

And for understanding more of it, in invocation (or calling in) the magician's consciousness is flooded by the macrocosm, while in evocation (calling forth) the magician, having become the macrocosm, creates a microcosm

 

[Xenophon]

How do you even evoke "demons"? No one could ever give me a proper answer. Or any other "entity" for that matter?

There are lots of goetic rites out there. These, however, often threaten the demons. This, in turn, causes ill-will on the latter's part. For which reaction the entity is then styled "evil." For a few non-goetic rites, look at the volume Naos

 

[Drezuli]

You evoke Demons by focusing on their enns and sigils. It's important that you invite them in a circle or triangle, as seen in the Lesser Key of Solomon.

Evoking a Demon is a little bit tricky since, at times, when Demons sense they will be trapped in some way, they will hesitate to come. But after some work, you eventually get to invite them and temporarily trap them into that circle.

Evocation of Demons isn't that difficult if you have the necessary tools such as altar, a circle to bind them, specific offerings for them in the end and also the dedicated candles and respecting their planetary correspondences.

In fact, evocation of a Demon itself is far more easier than invocation. Bringing a demon by invoking is a lot of hard work and dependant on a lot of factors such as the energetic body protection if you have done certain protection rituals you may not be able to get into invoking Demons that easy and also the space and requirement for what you are invoking the said Demon for.

And for understanding more of it, in invocation (or calling in) the magician's consciousness is flooded by the macrocosm, while in evocation (calling forth) the magician, having become the macrocosm, creates a microcosm

How do you even evoke "demons"? No one could ever give me a proper answer. Or any other "entity" for that matter?

You don't need anything. No altar, circle, not even an enn, since enns are very suspect and are a recent invention.


Just listen to this. It has everything that's needed.

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[Aeternus]

You don't need anything. No altar, circle, not even an enn, since enns are very suspect and are a recent invention.


Just listen to this. It has everything that's needed.

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I agree that there is no need for circles or altars, but sometimes, the mind can be a very tricky space and you can unfortunately contact an imposter deity.

One can visualize / focus on the Demon's sigil in his mind, by chanting / vibrating the Demon's name, and then wait until he / she gets an answer, directly or indirectly from the desired Demon

 

[HoldAll]

How do you even evoke "demons"? No one could ever give me a proper answer. Or any other "entity" for that matter?

I think that the issue of evocation would be best discussed in a new thread but since the original LARPing poster has been banned, it's probably for the best to re-purpose his thread and continue here.

Personally lacking any practical spirit work myself, I can only recommend books. This one was written by a reputable author and seems quite concise:

Book – PDF - Donald Michael Kraig - The Truth about the Evocation of Spirits

Either a booklet of 30 pages or incomplete, no idea. The Truth About Evocation of Spirits by Donald Michael Kraig reveals the real secrets of communicating with non-physical entities. You will find that many of the things you've seen in novels or movies aren't needed: no fancy apparatus, no...

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It's about the standard Western traditional (GD-)style of evocation but makes it look a bit too easy, I'd say. For example, he explains the LBRP but fails to mention that it will take you some time to master and really get confident performing it (I've been doing it for over a half a year twice daily and I don't feel ready to use it in a practical operation yet). The same goes for the conjuration bit: You really have to practice such formulas in order to pour 100% conviction and power into it; learning the words by heart and declaiming them without mistakes isn't even half of it. The same goes probably for skrying and the use of a magical mirror but that's way above my paygrade.

As far as I know, Franz Bardon requires his readers to work through his IIH before tackling his "Practice of Magical Evocation"; I've read estimates that this project will take you between seven (full-time practice) and up to thirty (!) (part-time) years, and of course hardly anyone has the time or determination for that (I call it 'The Bardon Wringer' ). Disheartening, in way… but that probably only applies to classic Solomonic methods, Damon Brand, for example, uses nothing but a pathworking image, an 'evocation watchword' and a sigil to evoke archangels.

 

[Mars]

I think that the issue of evocation would be best discussed in a new thread but since the original LARPing poster has been banned, it's probably for the best to re-purpose his thread and continue here.

Personally lacking any practical spirit work myself, I can only recommend books. This one was written by a reputable author and seems quite concise:

Book – PDF - Donald Michael Kraig - The Truth about the Evocation of Spirits

Either a booklet of 30 pages or incomplete, no idea. The Truth About Evocation of Spirits by Donald Michael Kraig reveals the real secrets of communicating with non-physical entities. You will find that many of the things you've seen in novels or movies aren't needed: no fancy apparatus, no...

wizardforums.com

It's about the standard Western traditional (GD-)style of evocation but makes it look a bit too easy, I'd say. For example, he explains the LBRP but fails to mention that it will take you some time to master and really get confident performing it (I've been doing it for over a half a year twice daily and I don't feel ready to use it in a practical operation yet). The same goes for the conjuration bit: You really have to practice such formulas in order to pour 100% conviction and power into it; learning the words by heart and declaiming them without mistakes isn't even half of it. The same goes probably for skrying and the use of a magical mirror but that's way above my paygrade.

As far as I know, Franz Bardon requires his readers to work through his IIH before tackling his "Practice of Magical Evocation"; I've read estimates that this project will take you between seven (full-time practice) and up to thirty (!) (part-time) years, and of course hardly anyone has the time or determination for that (I call it 'The Bardon Wringer' ). Disheartening, in way… but that probably only applies to classic Solomonic methods, Damon Brand, for example, uses nothing but a pathworking image, an 'evocation watchword' and a sigil to evoke archangels.

Ok interesting. This is all very similar to mantras, yantras and so on.

Now the other person posting about "you dont need anything" feels more right to me. If we take the idea for granted that everything acts according to the same pattern (as above so below etc the seven hermetic principles) than it should likewise be possible to just will those entities into existence. Not the entity but the power or energy it represents. Sigils really are just mandala.

Further, Evola stated in "Magical Image" and "magic with effigies" that calling on beings or whatever is just a crutch. A middleman. And you can do it yourself. Which also aligns with the hindu concept of deities. That all are one and actually none. Also similar to the absolute in hermeticism.

So instead of demons (which comes from the greek daimon) we actually just call upon ourselves and our primordial connection to the source/ absolute or whatever. Perhaps people just find demons more enticing, like how I find crystal Emily's more enticing despite we being at odds constantly with each other.

Thats why I wanted to know how people do it. Evola said that focusing that this is a deity which acts independently is just to help you get in touch with this principle or energy. The energy couldn't care how you see it, it still stays the same. And you eventually connect with it. And "sell your soul" is just taping into those powers. Selling your soul does sound more dramatic and might help you achieve it. Instead of just being disciplined and strong willed.

Does this make sense?

 

[HoldAll]

Does this make sense?

Whatever works for you, man. There are different models, different views on the subject, and the nature of spirits and how to contact them is hotly debated all over the internet. Theories and opinions abound, and even those with practical experience can't seem to agree. From my own modest experience I can only say that to have a real visceral command of energies or intent (instead of simply grasping the ideas behind their manipulation intellectually) will take me a lot practice, I can see that even now.

 

[Drezuli]

I agree that there is no need for circles or altars, but sometimes, the mind can be a very tricky space and you can unfortunately contact an imposter deity.

One can visualize / focus on the Demon's sigil in his mind, by chanting / vibrating the Demon's name, and then wait until he / she gets an answer, directly or indirectly from the desired Demon

All of them are imposters. There's no one entity. Even when you call on an angel, there's a whole entourage that responds, and even demons around you will have the same exact name.

 

[Aeternus]

All of them are imposters. There's no one entity. Even when you call on an angel, there's a whole entourage that responds, and even demons around you will have the same exact name.

It's a thought-provoking manner, but I was referring to use the Demon Hebrew Names and sigil, like those in Solomon's grimmoire.

Of course there can be instances where one may contact an imposter entity, I agree with the fact that there can be a whole assembly of entities responding.

That is why, advanced demonology and angelology recommends having a lot of focus and a clear mind, both to know if there is an imposter entity interfering with your communication, and to have focus so that you don't invite imposter entities

 

[Slytherin]

original LARPing poster

What makes you think I'm LARPing? Perhaps you could stop saying bad things to people. I wouldn't have got involved in a flame war, if you had not called greyhawke's intro 'bizarre'

About this thread, I think the off topic posts should be moved to a new tutorial thread 'Evocation: Tips & Tricks'. Most people wouldn't guess tips and tips for summoning would be found under the title 'Demons & YHWH'

 

[Yazata]

What makes you think I'm LARPing? Perhaps you could stop saying bad things to people. I wouldn't have got involved in a flame war, if you had not called greyhawke's intro 'bizarre'

About this thread, I think the off topic posts should be moved to a new tutorial thread 'Evocation: Tips & Tricks'. Most people wouldn't guess tips and tips for summoning would be found under the title 'Demons & YHWH'

All posts in the thread are on topic. If you think one isn't you should report it.