[Help] Alchemy/Hermeticism

[Magpie]

Hello.

Anybody interested in alchemy? I have been reading about it from a few sources, most notably Evola. I am curious if anyone here can put some of the operations in a little more practical context. for example what nigredo means to you and how you achieved it.

Sorry if it is too open-ended, but after a few site searches I see that there is not so much alchemy talk, so this is mainly to probe interest.

Also, from my perspective alchemy and hermeticism is the same thing, correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Snoopy]

Alchemy is all about transmutation and neutralization thoughts, and/or feelings i.e. (energy). If you are referring to herbal/potion creating alchemy and brewing, then that is a different topic which is not for me.

The basic quote of alchemy or "purpose", to turn lead into gold does not restrain or restrict itself to only lead to gold. As the alchemist it partakes to the ability to turn anything, from lead being the least property to gold the highest. The alchemist becomes not a player or actor but the director in ways similar to a chaos magickian. To change any situation or scenario in your favor through control and mastery over mind gives you control and manipulation over those who have none over their own.

To alchemize you must first have some control or knowing of self to grasp and perceive that which is the cause to alter the effect. Neutralization is the key; to find a balance or set point between a good or bad thought and realizing and almost removing the power from it, this comes from perception and knowledge of self. Recognizing the ego from the higher self-and/or a higher thinking is a way I set this point, from a quote heard not long ago " every day is an exorcism of self ". It's all about perception at the end of the day hermeticism and alchemy are similar but there are aspects in which I wouldn't say differ but diverge or intertwine.

 

[Magpie]

I think that is a good way to put it - of course we are not talking about any physical brewing etc. Thanks for a response!

What reading would you recommend? Could you tell me what techniques you used? Any thoughts on the phases (nigredo, albedo, rubedo)?

Isn't gold in all way superior to lead? The way I understand the process from nigredo to rubedo, the final effect is a physical body that relies on the superior consciousness as opposed to the initial state (which I would equate to lead or Saturn), where consciousness relies on physical body. That is all theory of course and I may be misunderstanding it.

Also, you compare chaos magick to alchemy - do you imply that you can not only transmute your own essence but also that of others? Alchemy always seems to focus on the operator, but given the general principles, I suppose it an implied possibility.

Where does hermeticism and alchemy diverge?

 

[whome]

Transmutation of elements may not be the best framework for understanding alchemy.

If the Source of All penetrates all matter, it may be that matter evolves/unfolds naturally.

In that case mineral alchemy is an acceleration of a natural process in which minerals progress to become the highest frequency minerals

Hermeticism may be a broader approach to the nature of Existence

 

[Audiolog Edu]

I ve been interested in Evola and have skim through Evolas The Hermetic Tradition because I practice Ogdoadic High Magick so when I found Evola got interested in his works. I always wondered about Alchemy and well, Ive only seen Evola discuss it in that book.

 

[Magpie]

I ve been interested in Evola and have skim through Evolas The Hermetic Tradition because I practice Ogdoadic High Magick so when I found Evola got interested in his works. I always wondered about Alchemy and well, Ive only seen Evola discuss it in that book.

I came across term "ogdoad" while going through this book. If I understand correctly it is the eight and final sphere of the higher septenary. Have you found Evola's work useful for your practice? Could you recommend some practical sources?

Transmutation of elements may not be the best framework for understanding alchemy.

If the Source of All penetrates all matter, it may be that matter evolves/unfolds naturally.

In that case mineral alchemy is an acceleration of a natural process in which minerals progress to become the highest frequency minerals

Hermeticism may be a broader approach to the nature of Existence

Where did you take term "Source of All"? Interestingly, Evola uses term "All the One" to denote prima meteria, I wonder, if it is the same thing. It seems like it. I am not sure if matter changes on its own, but if it did, it would simply follow the deterministic path, while the goal of alchemy, as far as I understand it, is to free oneself from conditioned existence. What do you mean by "frequency" here?

 

[Mars]

He already said everything there is to it. If you read Evola you know more about Alchemy, Hermeticism and actual Magic than everyone else.

He said it himself in "The Hermetic Tradition". That you need to read it several times if you do not understand yet certain things. I don't want to tell you here why this is. Or what Negredo is. But you already have everything you need.

The downside is that if you talk with people that only know alchemy from new age and similar like degenerated freemasonry (some brothers are actually here) that they can not help you nor even understand what you want from them.

Alchemy and Hermeticism is the same thing yes. Alchemy is a part of Hermeticism. Like an arm is a part of an Human.


Why do you ask for this specifically? There is a lot that needs to be done before it. And if you do not fully understand what nigredo means you can not ask for it.

Also you get responses from people that have not read evola and tell you of completely different things. It can not work like this. Either do it how Evola laid it out and he couldn't have made it clearer or more complete or follow new age bla bla that leads nowhere except a retarded masonic lodge were you end up doing what the Jew says anyway.

 

[Magpie]

He already said everything there is to it. If you read Evola you know more about Alchemy, Hermeticism and actual Magic than everyone else.

He said it himself in "The Hermetic Tradition". That you need to read it several times if you do not understand yet certain things. I don't want to tell you here why this is. Or what Negredo is. But you already have everything you need.

The downside is that if you talk with people that only know alchemy from new age and similar like degenerated freemasonry (some brothers are actually here) that they can not help you nor even understand what you want from them.

Alchemy and Hermeticism is the same thing yes. Alchemy is a part of Hermeticism. Like an arm is a part of an Human.


Why do you ask for this specifically? There is a lot that needs to be done before it. And if you do not fully understand what nigredo means you can not ask for it.

Also you get responses from people that have not read evola and tell you of completely different things. It can not work like this. Either do it how Evola laid it out and he couldn't have made it clearer or more complete or follow new age bla bla that leads nowhere except a retarded masonic lodge were you end up doing what the Jew says anyway.

I see that "On Point" badge is well earned. I suppose you caught me procrastinating and fishing for easy answers.

 

[whome]

Where did you take term "Source of All"? Interestingly, Evola uses term "All the One" to denote prima meteria,

The term "the Source of All" is not original to me, but I forget where I first read it.

The term prima materia (first matter) is closely related and indicates that the starting place in alchemy is more subtle than the material world.

There is a secret tradition to use a woman to pick the starting material in mineral alchemy. It is important that the prima materia is strongly present in the rocks and women may be more sensitive to that than men

 

[IllusiveOwl]

It should be noted that Alchemy is a big part of Daoist magical practice as well, it is not exclusive to the west. I find it more digestible with the D/Tao than Prima Materia, that's just personal preference.

 

[Magpie]

It should be noted that Alchemy is a big part of Daoist magical practice as well, it is not exclusive to the west. I find it more digestible with the D/Tao than Prima Materia, that's just personal preference.

Of course, Daoist alchemy, neidan is a good reference point. I believe alchemy also exists in Hindu esotericism, but I do not know the specifics.

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The term "the Source of All" is not original to me, but I forget where I first read it.

The term prima materia (first matter) is closely related and indicates that the starting place in alchemy is more subtle than the material world.

There is a secret tradition to use a woman to pick the starting material in mineral alchemy. It is important that the prima materia is strongly present in the rocks and women may be more sensitive to that than men

To be honest, I am confused by the last paragraph. Is it coded language? Just to be clear, this thread is about internal alchemy, not literal elixirs etc. I tried to decipher what you said and I am at the loss. Alchemists say the material for the work is abundant and available to anyone - don't think I need to woman to help me find it.

 

[Mars]

don't think I need to woman to help me find it.

Blessed is the Magus who manages to see Diana stark naked.

Evola wrote exactly this line.

Did you really read his books?

Because this is what immediately must come to mind if you did.

I really can not make it any more clearer. If I did so, 5000 indian AI youtubers would put out 32 Million Shorts about "turning lead to gold" with this.

 

[Magpie]

Blessed is the Magus who manages to see Diana stark naked.

Evola wrote exactly this line.

Did you really read his books?

Because this is what immediately must come to mind if you did.

I really can not make it any more clearer. If I did so, 5000 indian AI youtubers would put out 32 Million Shorts about "turning lead to gold" with this.

Don't. They already make artificial diamond. Can you imagine if they could make artificial gold too?

I did think about it, but not in the sense of woman helping me find prima materia. Everyone has prima materia trapped in salt. You need "woman" to extract it from salt. I thought for a moment he was referring to double vessel operations, so wanted to clarify.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

Have you found Evola's work useful for your practice?

Yes I want to get deep into Evolas teachings, but specially the Alchemy and Hermetism, apparently the kind of Magick he explains is what I was looking, I just found this, I think it might be usefull, is by Manly P Hall

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