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So recently I was musing on a certain idea: Say you have a fictional entity (for example, Harry Potter) who is very likable, and they have gathered a large "fan base" in a manner of speaking (for example, a hottie character everyone fawns over), the fangirling/fanboying is obsessive, to the point of hanging images (posters), collecting symbols (merch) and making offerings (donating to fan organizations, etc). At which point, if any, does this entity gather enough metaphysical clout to become an entity capable of influencing worldly events? This is just a random thought that has been hanging around my head for a while.
So recently I was musing on a certain idea: Say you have a fictional entity (for example, Harry Potter) who is very likable, and they have gathered a large "fan base" in a manner of speaking (for example, a hottie character everyone fawns over), the fangirling/fanboying is obsessive, to the point of hanging images (posters), collecting symbols (merch) and making offerings (donating to fan organizations, etc). At which point, if any, does this entity gather enough metaphysical clout to become an entity capable of influencing worldly events? This is just a random thought that has been hanging around my head for a while.
This is commonly called a "pop culture egregore". It would be conscious within a couple days of the media dropping, but influencing world events is a huge task, and is complicated by many other factors, such as jurisdiction of existing spirits and systems. I've been trying to find out exactly which entities are managing world events, with little success so far.
Also, a spontaneously created egregore has no programming to influence anything. It was created by people seeing it, and loving/hating it, and it just wants more of that. So it will take far longer to learn how to influence events on earth than an intentionally created servitor. If no one ever asks it to influence earthly events, it might never learn how.
I think this is a critical point. Also, the egregores for reputable magickal orders often have inner plane contacts to help direct and empower them, which seems unlikely for pop-culture egregores.
It's a bit off topic, but sure. I've asked several higher spirits in meditation, deities, demons, etc. I've also journeyed to Source and asked it. All the answers I've received have seemed evasive, or just riddles. When asked who is ruling and managing the world, they all give varients of the basic answer, "You are". So obviously this is not me personally, but perhaps it could refer to human magickians, or just humans. Or perhaps they are just avoiding the question entirely.
I don't have any real, non religious, occult reasons to believe that there are entities managing world events. Of course mainstream religion says so, but mainstream religion is bs. I guess I just hope there are. Tales of patrons/guardians of cities and nations are near universal, but that doesn't mean they are managing events. Perhaps it is just us, or at least those that can manipulate us to serve their interests. If entities involve themselves on earth by invitation, and require offerings to act, maybe the scope of world events is beyond that model.
Such entities are indeed having an effect, e.g. when a celebrity comes out in favor or against a political candidate. As to how to magically influence world events (updated link, no idea if the author is serious):
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It's a bit off topic, but sure. I've asked several higher spirits in meditation, deities, demons, etc. I've also journeyed to Source and asked it. All the answers I've received have seemed evasive, or just riddles. When asked who is ruling and managing the world, they all give varients of the basic answer, "You are". So obviously this is not me personally, but perhaps it could refer to human magickians, or just humans. Or perhaps they are just avoiding the question entirely.
I agree with the idea that we are on our own. It's up to us, as human beings, to take care of ourselves as best we can. There is no cosmic force that will save us from ourselves. We humans often can't even agree on what is right and wrong, so whose cosmic force is coming to the rescue? For example, Christian nations going to war with each other always claimed to have God on their side. Personally, I think Napoleon was right, "God" is on the side with the bigger battalions.
I don't have any real, non religious, occult reasons to believe that there are entities managing world events. Of course mainstream religion says so, but mainstream religion is bs. I guess I just hope there are. Tales of patrons/guardians of cities and nations are near universal, but that doesn't mean they are managing events. Perhaps it is just us, or at least those that can manipulate us to serve their interests. If entities involve themselves on earth by invitation, and require offerings to act, maybe the scope of world events is beyond that model.
I agree with most of this too. But rather than writing religions of as b.s., let's consider their egregores. Most major religions have different sects, so it stands to reason that their egregores are split into sects too, although with some obvious overlaps. Different egregores can have different agendas, and even conflicting agendas. So again, it's up to us as individuals, or small groups of like-minded people, to make the best of it for ouselves and those we care about. As for using spirits and magick, different magicians and magickal orders have different agendas too (just to state the obvious). So when different egregores have opposing agendas, who wins and to what extent?
I don't know, that would be a purely intellectual function of the conscious mind. People tend to be deeply entrenched in their political beliefs, I'm not sure that is really effective, except with people who are still open-minded. (JMO, of course.)
Now that I think about it some more, I think the OP's idea of an egregore based on a beloved fictitious character could be effective at affecting external events. Which means I need to retract my comment on this:
I agreed with this earlier, but after giving it some thought I'm going to suggest that would depend on the symbolism in the fiction that created the egregore. If the story had enough symbolism and it ran deep enough to program the fans' unconscious minds, then it could program the egregore.
Another question would be if such hypothetical entities would be interested in influencing mundane events at all. Why should we assume that such entities should be eager to participate in the to and fro of power and politics, or be keen on meddling in human affairs like the ancient Greek gods? We can't imagine a life without being busy because that's what ensures our survival but a non-corporeal entity without any need to be fed, watered and entertained? Pure existence without the distraction of a physical body?
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It also occurred to me that a magician with the abilitity of making such huge international pop culture egregores do his or her bidding wouldn't need them anyway because he or she would be powerful enough to reach his or her aims without them.
