[Help] What is "Anti-Cosmic Satanism"?

[stalkinghyena]

I have to admit, I am a bit stumped. The term "anti-cosmic Satanism" has been popping up in my peripheral awareness this past week. It can't possibly be a new thing, but I am certain no one was ever dragged to the stake over it, so it can't be a very old thing either. So what is this thing, and what does it do?

 

[Adelina]

This term appeared in 1990s, it was used by Order which named itself "Temple of Black Light" which later transformed into "Templum Falcis Cruentis". The prominent figure in that Order was Niamarad Az Azaerate - 218. Their first public work was "Liber Azerate". You might want to read it yourself as it is quite explanatory on what all this Anti-Cosmic Satanism is about.

 

[voidcat]

I don't understand it much but it seems to be a gnostic take on Satanism. There seems to be a belief of the cosmic order of creation to be a lie and chaos to be truth. That true freedom is found in the chaos which existed before creation. It's also called chaos gnosticism. Reminds me of thursatru a path created from Norse mythology.

 

[Parallax]

So

This term appeared in 1990s, it was used by Order which named itself "Temple of Black Light" which later transformed into "Templum Falcis Cruentis". The prominent figure in that Order was Niamarad Az Azaerate - 218. Their first public work was "Liber Azerate". You might want to read it yourself as it is quite explanatory on what all this Anti-Cosmic Satanism is about.

the temple evolved into templum falcons crentis?
I do want to see where it headed.
Ixaxaar sells the books like the liber falxifer and did sell a few sitra achra editions.

 

[Xingtian]

Yeah from what I read of the public writings, it is basically a modern attempt to construct something like Sethian Gnosticism but with all the cool trappings of modern Satanism a la 90’s black metal. There are other influences. At least one of the rituals I read was clearly mimicking Tantric Buddhist deity yoga. It generally felt kind of amateurish to me, like “let’s see how much gnarly scary stuff I can mash together in one religion.” It felt like it was trying to give some ideological weight to the various boneheaded and self-destructive acts the black metal kids were infamous for in the 90’s. I first heard about them when Jon Nodtveidt of the black metal band Dissection (himself imprisoned after a a stupid murder) was talking about them in interviews and framed his music as a presentation of this “anti-cosmic Satanism” (I believe it was called the Misanthropic Luciferian Order at the time). After he got out of prison Nodtveidt released the final album Reinkaos, the lyrics of which were written by the Liber Azerate author (IMO it wasn’t very good). Shortly after he committed ritual suicide which I guess is supposed to be a supreme expression of free will and nobility of spirit.

 

[Parallax]

I think it takes influence from thelema, which of course is just the compilation of different techniques and such as needed for the individuals spiritual pursuits.
Channeling the energies of the current is legit.
I definitely think the TOBL Sitra achra is a superior energy compared to say something like asenath masons qlippoth system.

Yeah from what I read of the public writings, it is basically a modern attempt to construct something like Sethian Gnosticism but with all the cool trappings of modern Satanism a la 90’s black metal. There are other influences. At least one of the rituals I read was clearly mimicking Tantric Buddhist deity yoga. It generally felt kind of amateurish to me, like “let’s see how much gnarly scary stuff I can mash together in one religion.” It felt like it was trying to give some ideological weight to the various boneheaded and self-destructive acts the black metal kids were infamous for in the 90’s. I first heard about them when Jon Nodtveidt of the black metal band Dissection (himself imprisoned after a a stupid murder) was talking about them in interviews and framed his music as a presentation of this “anti-cosmic Satanism” (I believe it was called the Misanthropic Luciferian Order at the time). After he got out of prison Nodtveidt released the final album Reinkaos, the lyrics of which were written by the Liber Azerate author (IMO it wasn’t very good). Shortly after he committed ritual suicide which I guess is supposed to be a supreme expression of free will and nobility of spirit.

 

[Amur]

Anti-cosmic sounds a bit dumb since all the planetary spheres and hexagram operations are from unity itself.

**Just my 2 cents of it.

 

[Xingtian]

Anti-cosmic sounds a bit dumb since all the planetary spheres and hexagram operations are from unity itself.

**Just my 2 cents of it.

Yeah I think Plotinus et al would agree. But everyone has to struggle with the question of why there is suffering/ evil, and there was a trend in some late antique religious currents to see the cosmos as a prison and the planets as the prison wardens. I’ve always found this perspective fascinating but can’t quite grasp how someone could hold to it and function in the world. I guess Jon Nödtveidt had one answer to that!

 

[Xenophon]

Yeah I think Plotinus et al would agree. But everyone has to struggle with the question of why there is suffering/ evil, and there was a trend in some late antique religious currents to see the cosmos as a prison and the planets as the prison wardens. I’ve always found this perspective fascinating but can’t quite grasp how someone could hold to it and function in the world. I guess Jon Nödtveidt had one answer to that!

Actually, it's very simple. One looks for a way out of the prison while living a cover story. Read Nimrod De Rosario's, "Gnostic Fragments."

 

[Magpie]

Yeah I think Plotinus et al would agree. But everyone has to struggle with the question of why there is suffering/ evil, and there was a trend in some late antique religious currents to see the cosmos as a prison and the planets as the prison wardens. I’ve always found this perspective fascinating but can’t quite grasp how someone could hold to it and function in the world. I guess Jon Nödtveidt had one answer to that!

Sounds like another form of Promethean decay. Would stay away from that.

 

[Parallax]

Sounds like another form of Promethean decay. Would stay away from that.

What do you mean by promethean decay.
Interesting term.

 

[Magpie]

What do you mean by promethean decay.
Interesting term.

Prometheus (a titan, analogous to asura or demon/devil) stole the divine fire from Olympian gods and gave it to humanity. It was a rebellion against a cosmic/form/solar/heavenly principle by a chaotic/formless/earthly/material being. It led to a fall, not too dissimilar to Luciferian fall. Promethean attitude was since romanticised and is viewed as a tragic but noble rebellion against tyrannical order (or cosmos). Viewing planets as prison wardens and other things mentioned on this thread clearly relate to this. Hence promethean. And it is decay, because it only leads to dissolution, so downwards direction. Given what "promethean" means in essence, adding "decay" to it is probably unnecessary in a strict sense.

 

[Xenophon]

Prometheus (a titan, analogous to asura or demon/devil) stole the divine fire from Olympian gods and gave it to humanity. It was a rebellion against a cosmic/form/solar/heavenly principle by a chaotic/formless/earthly/material being. It led to a fall, not too dissimilar to Luciferian fall. Promethean attitude was since romanticised and is viewed as a tragic but noble rebellion against tyrannical order (or cosmos). Viewing planets as prison wardens and other things mentioned on this thread clearly relate to this. Hence promethean. And it is decay, because it only leads to dissolution, so downwards direction. Given what "promethean" means in essence, adding "decay" to it is probably unnecessary in a strict sense.

I can think of several varieties of neo-Gnosticism that say the world as we know it is more or less a prison, but that strongly REJECT the claim there is nothing to be done or that decay is the only route. I have mentioned DeRosario. There are also Miguel Serrano (in his brighter moods), Anton Long (mostly), Gustavo Brondino...

Roarkes Drift Revisited, A Drama in One Desperate Act
Scene: Roarke's Drift, 22 January, 1879. Leftenant Bromhead, "I say there, Chard, there are 4,000 Zulus swarming up towards our position." Leftenant Chard, "Damn your eyes, man! Enough with the Promethean decay!" Bromhead, "I was only pointing out the tactical situation. If we are to have any hope of holding out, indeed of victor---" BLAM! Chard shoots Bromhead. "I cannot abide all this negativity!" BLAM! (Shoots self, curtain falls.)

 

[Magpie]

I can think of several varieties of neo-Gnosticism that say the world as we know it is more or less a prison, but that strongly REJECT the claim there is nothing to be done or that decay is the only route. I have mentioned DeRosario. There are also Miguel Serrano (in his brighter moods), Anton Long (mostly), Gustavo Brondino...

Roarkes Drift Revisited, A Drama in One Desperate Act
Scene: Roarke's Drift, 22 January, 1879. Leftenant Bromhead, "I say there, Chard, there are 4,000 Zulus swarming up towards our position." Leftenant Chard, "Damn your eyes, man! Enough with the Promethean decay!" Bromhead, "I was only pointing out the tactical situation. If we are to have any hope of holding out, indeed of victor---" BLAM! Chard shoots Bromhead. "I cannot abide all this negativity!" BLAM! (Shoots self, curtain falls.)

Haha, agreed. The world is a prison of sort (we are salt or amalgam of samsaric currents etc). But one can break that shell and go up or down. Rebelling against order/cosmos means descending into chaos, which is a downgrade from status quo. If we are to stay within Greek mythology, what Prometheus did is the opposite of what Hercules did, which is facing many trials, conquering chaos, overcoming obstacles placed by cosmos (Olympian gods who were against him) and ascended to Olympus himself. It has nothing to do with negativity or positivity.

 

[Xenophon]

Haha, agreed. The world is a prison of sort (we are salt or amalgam of samsaric currents etc). But one can break that shell and go up or down. Rebelling against order/cosmos means descending into chaos, which is a downgrade from status quo. If we are to stay within Greek mythology, what Prometheus did is the opposite of what Hercules did, which is facing many trials, conquering chaos, overcoming obstacles placed by cosmos (Olympian gods who were against him) and ascended to Olympus himself. It has nothing to do with negativity or positivity.

Well put. Prometheus, according to some readers like Evola, was a bit of a sneak and nothing of a real hero.

My point, though, was that there are a fair number of gnostic thinkers who say that the cosmos itself is a scam. Theater of phagocytosis in De Rosario's memorable phrase. Their point is that what gets called "chaos" is a grab-bag category of everything not-cosmic. This includes orders of being that are utterly not to be borne (Guenon's "transcandence below") as well as alternative orders opposed to what supports this order of organized exploitation of spirit (the "Origin" in DeRosario's telling.)

 

[Magpie]

Well put. Prometheus, according to some readers like Evola, was a bit of a sneak and nothing of a real hero.

My point, though, was that there are a fair number of gnostic thinkers who say that the cosmos itself is a scam. Theater of phagocytosis in De Rosario's memorable phrase. Their point is that what gets called "chaos" is a grab-bag category of everything not-cosmic. This includes orders of being that are utterly not to be borne (Guenon's "transcandence below") as well as alternative orders opposed to what supports this order of organized exploitation of spirit (the "Origin" in DeRosario's telling.)

"Theater of phagocytosis" - I like that! It certainly felt that most of the life. So if we take the latter option (ignoring the "transcendence below"), we are essentially talking about an alternative cosmos. I can't follow up on this, as I am not familiar with De Rosario yet, but it sounds interesting. I may be misunderstanding things, but this could be completely valid as the order has been changing throughout ages or yugas...

What is the practical take-away from this? No one wants to "transcend below", but can one ascend in an alternative order? My current understanding is that transcending above goes either to divine realms, so purer or completely pure forms or totally out the samsara or cycle of regeneration, becoming a buddha, transcending not even above but beyond, in which case chaos and cosmos become irrelevant terms. Perhaps that is what those sects refer to, as that is the same as reaching Plotinus' One.

 

[WonderFire]

Prometheus embodies what is the highest aspiration in man.
Unless you were whipped into loving your chains.

 

[Magpie]

Prometheus embodies what is the highest aspiration in man.
Unless you were whipped into loving your chains.

I disagree and the arguments are above. There is no talk of loving "chains". Chains keep you from falling into the abyss. Unless you can climb up, the chains keep you afloat. Rebelling against cosmos and usurping higher power as being of inferior dignity will only lead one down. Prometheus was not a hero - romanticizing him is a mistake.
I apologise for hijacking that thread. Prometheus may not be relevant to OP.

 

[8Lou1]

when i first encountered people who talked about anti cosmic Satanism i had to learn a lot of new words and concepts. it was confusing as hell. i never heard of the satanic panic either so i was mostly surprised and had a big' what the fuck' going on for years. later i learned about comparing concepts and things got easier to understand.

to me anti cosmic satanism is like reading between the lines, living between spaces, like deciding to change your horoscope for fun and see where it leads . where the mystics live....

its not living from your dna/body, but from the space in between. the Most Strangest might be feeling the wind passing tru your body. or when its and expression of theistic satanism feeling roah allah pass tru ones body.

its accepting death and life, decay and fertility, destructive and life giving, but most of all being able to hold 2 opposing thoughts in a balance that fits my life and being. where eventually the middle of these opposites becomes a living middle pillar where the balance is what i find pleasurable living in this life.

 

[Parallax]

Prometheus (a titan, analogous to asura or demon/devil) stole the divine fire from Olympian gods and gave it to humanity. It was a rebellion against a cosmic/form/solar/heavenly principle by a chaotic/formless/earthly/material being. It led to a fall, not too dissimilar to Luciferian fall. Promethean attitude was since romanticised and is viewed as a tragic but noble rebellion against tyrannical order (or cosmos). Viewing planets as prison wardens and other things mentioned on this thread clearly relate to this. Hence promethean. And it is decay, because it only leads to dissolution, so downwards direction. Given what "promethean" means in essence, adding "decay" to it is probably unnecessary in a strict sense.

It’s probably for the best to keep that phrase with decay. Differing viewpoints won’t agree simply based on “promethean”. Some won’t even agree generally but it helps establish it as a philosophical view.
honestly I might have to agree to a point. I was visited by a spirit who basically told me working only with the darkness would consume/destroy me.
Guess it depends on the genius/higher self of the individual and what outcome they are trying to accomplish for them.