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Reconceptualizing the Ego

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In forums such as this one, the question crops up now and again what the ego really is and how to deal with it. Here is an interesting Buddhist perspective I've recently come across:

The term ego—or ego-self—is frequently used to describe the self-centered, fabricated outer layer of self, and we often speak of letting go of the ego, or dissolving it, or transcending it […]. However, the common usage of ego, both within Buddhist teachings and in the world at large, makes ego sound like an entity that has a shape and a size, and that can be extracted like a tooth. It doesn’t work that way. Ego is not an object; it’s more like a process that follows through on the proclivity for grasping, and for holding on to fixed ideas and identities. What we call ego is really an everchanging perception, and although it is central to our narrative story, it is not a thing. It therefore cannot really die, and cannot be killed or transcended. This tendency for grasping arises when we misperceive the constant flow of our body and mind and mistake it for a solid, unchanging self. We do not need to get rid of the ego—this unchanging, solid, and unhealthy sense of self—because it never existed in the first place. The key point is that there is no ego to kill. It is the belief in an enduring, nonchanging self that dies. The term ego can still provide a useful reference; but we need to be careful not to set ourselves up for battling something that is not there. Ironically, when we go into combat with the ego, we strengthen the illusions of self, making our efforts to awaken counterproductive. Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche, Helen Tworkov - In Love with the World (p. 54)

I understand this to mean that the ego is an acquired, habitual behavioural pattern of deed, speech and thought that doesn't originate from a seperate (and unwanted) part of ourselves but that simply is and acts; it's how our everyday selves function. By much the same token, I also wonder whether the concept of the Jungian Shadow as a static seperate entity is incorrect as well… and now we're even told that God is a verb. Curiouser and curioser.
 

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ever read any of carl jungs work on the ego, its real, it just needs to be properly integrated with the superego.
 

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I think the point the author was trying to make is that Western psychology and Buddhist philosophy don't mix so well as many would like to believe. Strictly speaking there is no self in Buddhism (in fact, there is no you) while in Western psychology, 'I' and 'me' are all-important; what needs to be overcome in Buddhism is the mirage of our firmly defined identities we're so enamoured with (insert usual gripes about the excesses of Western consumerism as well as pious encomia concerning the 'Wisdom of the East'). The closest Buddhism comes to grudgingly acknowledging the ego is by using the term 'conventional self' but as the man said, it's a process (or behaviour pattern), not a thing. The quote made me wonder whether there were other concepts in occultism in general, for example God, that superficially look fixed and static but are actually in a state of constant flux.
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ever read any of carl jungs work on the ego, its real, it just needs to be properly integrated with the superego.

I think the point the author was trying to make is that Western psychology and Buddhist philosophy don't mix so well as many would like to believe. Strictly speaking there is no self in Buddhism (in fact, there is no you) while in Western psychology, 'I' and 'me' are all-important; what needs to be overcome in Buddhism is the mirage of our firmly defined identities we're so enamoured with (insert usual gripes about the excesses of Western consumerism as well as pious encomia concerning the 'Wisdom of the East'). The closest Buddhism comes to grudgingly acknowledging the ego is by using the term 'conventional self' but as the man said, it's a process (or behaviour pattern), not a thing. The quote as well as the title of the other book made me wonder whether there were other concepts in occultism in general, for example God, that superficially look fixed and static but are actually in a state of constant flux.
 

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I think the ego became a fixed concept in the west out of the scientific effort to categorize the phenomena, put it into a container and therefor make it measurable. Scientists and doctors tend to lose their minds if you describe something and say it is so because "well it just is." So by giving it this container with defined limits and descriptors as if it were a solid object i.e. The outward expression of our personality (super general) it is therefor objectively measurable to someone who seeks to either understand it or change it.
 

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Ego is not an object; it’s more like a process that follows through on the proclivity for grasping, and for holding on to fixed ideas and identities. What we call ego is really an everchanging perception
I don't exactly believe in the idea of desolving the ego in this context im specifically replying to. I believe in restructuring the ego by the acts of will power, awareness, introspection, and practicing patience.

So if i were to speak freely about myself in personal fashion here, i have been aware of my strong narrcissistic tendancies in the past so i tried to focus on controlling an outburst when speaking to someone if i was triggered by something they said. I used to have the dillusional viewpoint that everyone within my personal environment was ignorant and i was superior to them. This actually was a sign of my own ignorance at the time not considering that i may be the dumb one holding this superiority complex.

This is were practicing patience comes in. It is not easy to do. It requires you to be consciously aware of yourself and to willfully stop yourself from being a certain way.

For introspection, you would need to be aware of the things you do and what negatively or positively effects you. From there you would have to willfully make a change to who you are wether that be a small change or large change.

Most of the time i would have to redefine my internal definitions in order to satisfy myself so that i do indeed follow a new order for my ego.

To provide ambition towards this persuit i have told myself that if I do not work on my ego, then i will be limiting myself to what i can do in this world.
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I don't exactly believe in the idea of desolving the ego in this context im specifically replying to. I believe in restructuring the ego by the acts of will power, awareness, introspection, and practicing patience.

So if i were to speak freely about myself in personal fashion here, i have been aware of my strong narrcissistic tendancies in the past so i tried to focus on controlling an outburst when speaking to someone if i was triggered by something they said. I used to have the dillusional viewpoint that everyone within my personal environment was ignorant and i was superior to them. This actually was a sign of my own ignorance at the time not considering that i may be the dumb one holding this superiority complex.

This is were practicing patience comes in. It is not easy to do. It requires you to be consciously aware of yourself and to willfully stop yourself from being a certain way.

For introspection, you would need to be aware of the things you do and what negatively or positively effects you. From there you would have to willfully make a change to who you are wether that be a small change or large change.

Most of the time i would have to redefine my internal definitions in order to satisfy myself so that i do indeed follow a new order for my ego.

To provide ambition towards this persuit i have told myself that if I do not work on my ego, then i will be limiting myself to what i can do in this world.
To add on this. I developed a strategy on here to remind myself to be a certain way. As you will see I have Socrates as my profile picture. This is personally to remind myself to have an open mind and that i know nothing. Its similar to meditation techiques that teach you to fall back on your breathe. So my case, if i make a mistake to my own order i will look at my profile picture and remember not to be like that again.
 
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To me, the ego is akin to a condom for higher consciousness in the sense that it prevents the direct access of sensations and the rest whilst also ensuring gnosis never kicks in those who don't comprehend its grift. Much like a hat, there are rhymes and reasons for it being needed but for any true development to kick one must comprehend its tricks, undo its programs and then step into a higher consciousness.

Sadly, many do not do this and fall for an immense duplicate of spiritual progress like all of these eArhats etc that believe they've achieved samadhi or transcendence thanks to a youtube vid and thus do not click that if they truly did they wouldn't be yelling and screaming in traffic. Ze irony! But it also shows, real well, how much of a slippery bish it is when it comes to selling simulations and that, if extended, does seem to posit that what we see as AI tech is simply a projection of mass ignorance masquerading as wisdom but thats another topic...
 

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So if i were to speak freely about myself in personal fashion here, i have been aware of my strong narrcissistic tendancies in the past so i tried to focus on controlling an outburst when speaking to someone if i was triggered by something they said. I used to have the dillusional viewpoint that everyone within my personal environment was ignorant and i was superior to them. This actually was a sign of my own ignorance at the time not considering that i may be the dumb one holding this superiority complex.
Yes, I was also like that and Hermetic Magick has changed me for good, now I dont bash on people like I used to do, according to the tradition I practice the magician needs to sacrifice his material desires and look high, into the spiritual realms, working with the "Higher Self" which is a Spark of the Divine is also very good to rectify the ego, the book "The Holy Guardian Angel" by Nephilim Press by various writters is very good to understand what is the Higher Self and how to connect with it.
 
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