How to be a priest?

[Wannabewizard]

A thought came to mind for a change of direction.
How to talk about the spiritual in an official capacity that may be taken seriously, rather than being seen as religious or mental disorder?
I ask this I am meeting special needs people who love legislation over good sense, and have previously been mildly ok with mentioning the 'spiritual', but now I sense there is a turn towards darkness and despair in the world at large and that everyone is hanging themself of the tree of death.
Friends have advised not to mention the spiritual for fear of 'sectioning', but I refuse to fear.

If I were to become a kind of priest somehow that might be a way to be respected in an official capacity rather than be an easy target to vilify.
Is there such a thing as Universalist magical psychic priest? It would be a good cover.

Would such a thing even be able to earn a wage of some sort? I am open to new ideas about a spiritual way out of disability and state benefit reliance.

 

[stalkinghyena]

To truly be a priest is a path of sacrifice and service.

 

[Faria]

Highly recommend that you rethink this career goal. What you want is a refuge from the difficulties of life where you can live by the strength of your love and compassion, but that job does not exist. You can go through the rigorous and ironically soul crushing seminary work, and learn some serious conformity, or you can join a cult that will abuse you in one way or another. You would do better to find a way to support yourself like a regular person, dreadful as that may be, or just say fuck it and go on mental disability which is the direction I sense you are heading. There is no place in this world for psychic/magical/mystical priests if you want to get paid unless you are the cult leader yourself.

 

[Sabbatius]

Many Ceremonial Magicians, Traditional and Wiccan Witches and Druids that I know- have become ministers/priest(esse)s in the Unitarian Universalist Church. Their practices encompass most practices and their only requirements are to be accepting of all..

 

[Wannabewizard]

I really think I could make this work in some way.
In one manner having a priest label makes some things easier in a social context rather than just saying 'disabled'. I am already hated by strangers for being different so why not make it official?
Having that title also makes things like immigration a lot more simple.
I am getting grounded on not caring what people think about me, but it is difficult.
I find the woke culture of reporting 'offenses' is threatening.
It could be called a prophetic ministry but I dont want to limit to any one thing, and certain groups with evangelical egregores did not seem to want me. Getting labeld a priest would make it easyer for peopel to find me and traveling. I dont care about title. I dont like getting trodden on either.

I already have all the benefits I know of, but I would not like to call any of it secure, I maintained that it is psychology and physical difficulties (which is true) which have been fed by poverty. Long term pain will make anyone crack up eventually. It's the stress and tension of isolation and neglect that pushes over the edge. There constantly seems to be attempts by whatever new gov to kill you by removing what you need to live, especially if you claim any benefits. Even proposing to spy on bank accounts like you are a criminal. There is not even any real social care, so I am considering how it might be possible to take responsibility somehow. That I can even think of that, means something remarkable has changed in me and I am not done yet.
I might be able to overcome social difficulties, but the physical is a problem. I know there is magical healing, but unless somone turns up right now and intensivly mentors me, I need to think of the immediate.

It make me wonder about the youtube 'spiritual leader' approach specifically for those that have survived as I have.
Maybe that's culty enough to do the job

There is a large gap between social and living wage, a big gap to jump. It's as if your penalised for even considering it. No bridge exists between the two so I need to build one and a buffer for off days. The attitude seems to be all or nothing.

I have a lot to offer with hyper intelligence and psychic abilities. It's the emotional and social that needs to grow.
I am interested in assisting with aiding in recovery of complex trauma in the magical sense, in that every day I complete a little bit more of becoming the wounded healer. It is quite specialist and worthy of logging, but most things are revelation from source. I think ultimately it would be possible to create rituals to heal from every disorder.

I think the Unitarian thing would be interesting, the ability to call my money my own and know I got it from assisting others would be great. I might be able to be 'disabled' and help sometimes.
It has a lot to do with security and identity which have been lacking.
I don't want to approach becoming 'senior' with an empty pocket and expect any state to help, I don't think it will.
I am living now so I can plan my death.

 

[Faria]

You are not prepared for the tedious and tightly controlled world of legitimate priesthood. It will make you far less happy than secure. In the best case you would be welcomed and directed to assistance, and otherwise you will be taken as vulnerable and put to a sour purpose. The whole thing is far more than what you expect and not what you would want to do anyway. You need to find people who genuinely care about you as a person and explain to them that you require their support whether to organize your affairs or pay for them, or else do something that pays a steady wage and live a simple life. This is not the advice you want but it is meant to give you the security you are hoping to acquire through priesthood.

 

[Xenophon]

Many Ceremonial Magicians, Traditional and Wiccan Witches and Druids that I know- have become ministers/priest(esse)s in the Unitarian Universalist Church. Their practices encompass most practices and their only requirements are to be accepting of all..

That is one hell of a high hurdle. To draw a parallell, I'll take monogamy over being a call-boy to all and sundry. By the same token, if I think a belief is pernicious, I'll say so. Heck, healthy spiritual traditions hold debates.

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That is one hell of a high hurdle. To draw a parallell, I'll take monogamy over being a call-boy to all and sundry. By the same token, if I think a belief is pernicious, I'll say so. Heck, healthy spiritual traditions hold debates.

Some of my post above was omitted. The passage quoted immediately above has what I tried to add in editing

 

[Wannabewizard]

I am growing in personality, but the the one thing that comes to mind that I have difficulty with is 'queer' interactions, probably because I have not yet fully settled this in myself. Being told I must love everyone perfectly or else is a really high standard. I would wonder if truth would be seen as hate in such a place even as a visitor?

I am inspired by the likes of Manly hall, who I think could well have been an Autist. ( A good thing being like wise and all) He is a man who made a religion of truth and the truth hurts but it's for the better.
I do far better at pre-prepared lectures than any of that awful 'charismatic' stuff. There is an expectation to be a perfect speaker but I find it unrealistic and pressuring.
I think I could well lead a special interest group focused on creative hobbies but it has a spiritual aspect.
This would be more like a group of friends, with bits of philosophy and esoteric.

It is interesting to note that when I have attended gatherings, people seem to find me who are in dire need of someone who can relate to there experience and I know what they are trying to say.

If it's really true that you get what you give, I could use making real connections.
Rules definitely don't work for me.
Anyone that says something along the lines of 'how are you with rules', I regard with suspicion...they are often impossible or make no sense.

Maybe a self styled Unitarian approach for personal use?
It would be nice to be able to tell anyone that asks, effectively that it is all the same truths from the same ultimate source, rather than all this division and cancelling.

 

[silencewaits]

It would be nice to be able to tell anyone that asks, effectively that it is all the same truths from the same ultimate source, rather than all this division and cancelling.

I don't think that would interest a lot of people. It's really a non-answer. But if you ever wanted to lead a cult, you basically just say things like that for a very long time very confidently. Incredible information density. It doesn't even have to be consistent, you just need your marks and your general narrative in order. You also need to represent yourself as someone wise, infallible, priestly, or gifted. Especially if you are not.

 

[bartyblack]

Being a priest isn't about cutting a paycheck. It's about serving God and expanding His Kingdom in this world by helping guarantee the salvation of the souls of our brethren.

 

[Xenophon]

Being a priest isn't about cutting a paycheck. It's about serving God and expanding His Kingdom in this world by helping guarantee the salvation of the souls of our brethren.

That's a Christian take on it. I'm not sure it'd fit a Roman priest to Quirinus. I know it really squeezes the conceptual corns on the Daoist priests who do their stuff at a couple of temples in my area. Though, yes, even in these cases the paycheck/rice bowl. isn't the main thing.

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A thought came to mind for a change of direction.
How to talk about the spiritual in an official capacity that may be taken seriously, rather than being seen as religious or mental disorder?
I ask this I am meeting special needs people who love legislation over good sense, and have previously been mildly ok with mentioning the 'spiritual', but now I sense there is a turn towards darkness and despair in the world at large and that everyone is hanging themself of the tree of death.
Friends have advised not to mention the spiritual for fear of 'sectioning', but I refuse to fear.

If I were to become a kind of priest somehow that might be a way to be respected in an official capacity rather than be an easy target to vilify.
Is there such a thing as Universalist magical psychic priest? It would be a good cover.

Would such a thing even be able to earn a wage of some sort? I am open to new ideas about a spiritual way out of disability and state benefit reliance.

It takes the brassiest of balls to live what you style "spiritually" and not have an institutional identification. Cultivate that and you'll develop more I reckon.

"Sectioning" means being committed to a mental health institution? Would an official identity as a priest lessen chances of that? If so, go with it. Subterfuges to stay out of state institutions are, by definition, becoming highly honorable in these times. You're saying f*** you to the Beast.

 

[Wannabewizard]

Yes, sectioning can mean anything now, even by stating something like Covid is bollocks or anything that disagrees with the narrative.
It is that very sort of thing that gets the button presses/box tickers excited, as it's an opportunity to exercise how correct they are over the common man. It's a power trip for their unconsciousness.

It's a very nasty term that does not mean what it really says, and it can be interpreted as many things, all 'mental'. I mean they got my brother for obsessing over back to the future videos and sitting in a caravan/travel trailer. Pure Autism and the tools he used to make sense of the world.
Most people dont even know regulations are like this and think It's all conspiracy theory, when you can look at the actual docs from the local council and read the adult social care strategy.

It's just as bad with the term 'safeguarding' which also does not mean what it says, it is neither safe or guarded.
My experiece is that no one says what they are doing, but try to prevent potential harm buy reducing life to effectively being a prisoner in you own home. No one can tell me what it really means, but becasue it's there job they try to do it anyway.

To be spiritual is seen as bonkers and a liability in itself, in a Godless society that has increased mainifold since the coof.

I cannot state that I am better than anyone, but I am aware of my faults and weakness. I dont mind talking about them but am cautions in certain situations where it could be interpreted as intending harm or reported. They dont seem to get that talking about emotion releases it, It terrifies who hears it.
That seems to get the normie going as it automatically shows up themselves to be at fault, IE they get offended easily in a culture of politeness and political correctness, and think that I am attacking them when I am simply being what I am with no other way to present myself. A dignosis could be seen as a defense/label against being judged legally, but it does not stop people getting angry and attacking me.
I can't live like that, it's my default neurology.

As long as there is a state benefit reliance it is being controlled in some way by fear of losing finances or the threat of
'mental' branding for very little reason. Physical pain and exhaustion has largly been ignored in the past but, now I let it all out with grimaces and profanity.
There is a social acceptability that comes with labels, it give people a reason to excuse behavior rather than vilify. Credibility. It might even be a matter of writing a biograohy covering truama survial. There is a business and social stragagy in this. So I would like to get some sort of title as a tool, as well as the pracitle comfort suggested here. I need a bit of all of it really, even as a lay position.

I have been in at the deep end in learning about contracts and assumptions thereof. Most 'law' is based on interpretation and your being ignorant, and it's possible to get round most things when you know how. The irony is I do it for good and my own survival, not to rob people.

It's funny how I have head of Manly Hall as 'doctor' and he never was, his legacy just sort of grew and still remains.

I had a friend once who ordanined his pet rat on the internet.
Maybe I could ordane myself as a spiritual gangsta. I am no fan of the beast system.

 

[silencewaits]

Why must you have the respect of others, when you view them as unenlightened?

 

[Wannabewizard]

I have struggled to maintain a whole view of anyone. It pretty's difficult and have made more changes since posting this, rooting out...stuff. In all probability I am dealing with personality disorder troubles, but as an occultist.
It's interesting and horrific. I want to be better but it's frustrating when I seem to be the best in comparison to immediate neighbors, but that's a trap. Comparison always puts down other party's.

Trauma responses take a lot to overcome. Even the best of people are imperfect and it's tough to accept that they can fail me when I have relied on them, as the consequences have been severe.
Its a bit like graphic equalizer on a Hifi deck, some levels are high, even to much and some are low.
Being enlightened is a process of many small I's, I have had plenty, but to make it completely means facing off many monsters and discussing things that may not belong here.

What I am considering here is a raw and rough priesthood of a kind that shares experiences and gives hope to those that are suffering, not because I am perfect, but because I suck.

It's clear that I am something of an ecstatic prophet, (differentiating between plain insanity and genius) and being able to present that to an audience competently would be neat. There are many who could benefit from a word in season and I may be able to help.
I have this ability for a reason above and beyond 'mere fun', I dont want to waste it.
It comes with responsibility like all magical work and I have failed badly in the past through being very unwell, but I am not the same anymore and want to put things right.

 

[Cleric]

To point out where I am coming from, I am a consecrated gnostic priest, consecrated in the line of apostolic succession carried by Tau Melchisedek+, Tau Rosamunde+, and Tau Stephen Hoeller, 19 years ago.
First thing first, I've read your posts and still fail to grasp what is the meaning of priesthood to you, and why do you want to become a priest.
All things said by you don't relay, at least to me, what is the deepest, inner urge that drives you toward priesthood.
If you want that duty and burden just to be respected by the community, I'm affraid, in this day and age, that not much respect will be coming your way.