[Help] Need some advice for creating my first servitor

[jkeller293]

So i just finished reading Damon Brand's book "Magickal Servitors" and im very interested in taking a shot at making one. Any advice from anyone who has alot of experience how simple i should start as a beginner. My first one i was thinking of having it have simple task like "give me energy when i wake up" because im very sluggish when i wake up in the morning and often procrastinate doing anything. I want this to be permanent but for now i was going to make a impermanent one. Any advice on what i should command it to specify better results is appreciated. Or if you have a method that works best for you let me know.

I also have another question and this relates to a idea of mine in the future if this works well for me. Let me know if you believe this is a unwise idea for the future if i get good at creating servitors.

My idea was to have a heirarchy of servitors. So there would be one general or king that leads all the others. The others under the leader would have specific tasks that they specialize in and are only active when commanded by their leader by his discretion only. My thought was to have this setup so i could only have to communicate with the leader in order to get a desired result rather than having to adress the others directly. As for feeding i wanted to make it simple as just feeding the leader which then feeds all the others it leads — so essentially the other servitors would be part of the body of the leader.

When i talk to the leader it will coordinate with the other servitors to do the task desired — so if my command to the leader requires more than one specific task, he can make it happen according to the abilities of the other servitors.

So the leader only listens to me, commands and coordinates the other servitors abilities, and is in charge of feeding the other servitors (specifically stated to him that the servitors are his body and if one dies he dies so he must feed them accordingly when i feed him directly — and he is commanded to never let himself die).

This is just a rough draft of my idea but let me know what you think. Be brutally honest with me what you think about this.

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So i just finished reading Damon Brand's book "Magickal Servitors" and im very interested in taking a shot at making one. Any advice from anyone who has alot of experience how simple i should start as a beginner. My first one i was thinking of having it have simple task like "give me energy when i wake up" because im very sluggish when i wake up in the morning and often procrastinate doing anything. I want this to be permanent but for now i was going to make a impermanent one. Any advice on what i should command it to specify better results is appreciated. Or if you have a method that works best for you let me know.

I also have another question and this relates to a idea of mine in the future if this works well for me. Let me know if you believe this is a unwise idea for the future if i get good at creating servitors.

My idea was to have a heirarchy of servitors. So there would be one general or king that leads all the others. The others under the leader would have specific tasks that they specialize in and are only active when commanded by their leader by his discretion only. My thought was to have this setup so i could only have to communicate with the leader in order to get a desired result rather than having to adress the others directly. As for feeding i wanted to make it simple as just feeding the leader which then feeds all the others it leads — so essentially the other servitors would be part of the body of the leader.

When i talk to the leader it will coordinate with the other servitors to do the task desired — so if my command to the leader requires more than one specific task, he can make it happen according to the abilities of the other servitors.

So the leader only listens to me, commands and coordinates the other servitors abilities, and is in charge of feeding the other servitors (specifically stated to him that the servitors are his body and if one dies he dies so he must feed them accordingly when i feed him directly — and he is commanded to never let himself die).

This is just a rough draft of my idea but let me know what you think. Be brutally honest with me what you think about this.

Also if there are any skills you recommend i should work on for making servitors i will appreciate any input. For example, if you have a book that you like that helped strengthen your mental faculties for making servitors let me know.

 

[SkullTraill]

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[jkeller293]

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Ops i thought i did post in that section.

 

[frater_pan]

I don't have a lot of experience with creating servitors but I have some.

The first servitor I created was kind of an accident. I was in fear of my life as a result of familiar abuse and was taking psychic action to defend myself. As a result of this I created a thought form way before I ever heard of tulpas or servitors (I was a young teenager) and empowered it to protect me. This was not very clearly defined but it worked for me. I had probably created it by forming the intention while masturbating but I'm unsure. Nonetheless once I was aware that a thought form existed I was able to direct it. It's main job was to keep a powerful family member away from me as much as possible. So in effect it formed a psychic barrier to keep this person out of my room. Other family members also felt these effects. Another family member who wasn't abusive but was antagonistic felt it's effects and avoided entering my room as well. I didn't feed it as I had no idea what I was doing although I did thank it for help and that might have been enough. Also, I was living in an intensely active psychic and spiritist part of the world. It is possible that this wasn't a servitor per se but an actual local spirit or lower god that had decided to help me. The thought form lived in my room for a year until my family moved away because my father's job moved him.

I more recently created a servitor intentionally using the usual psychosexual methods. I feed it using incense and offer this at least once a week. It's purpose is to help me with my memory, more in terms of memory blocks and esp. with remembering people's names in the moment (I have had a problem with remembering people's names my whole life) and this has been helpful. But my memory is still not perfect. For example, I can't quite remember the last two tarot divination's I did yesterday one of which I did write down but another I didn't. So it is my feeling that actual physical or mental limitations can't be reliably overcome, except maybe at the edges. I have been thinking of different methods to strengthen or extent my memory servitor including just creating another more specific servitor that will act in concert with each other.

 

[Mannimarco]

So the leader only listens to me, commands and coordinates the other servitors abilities, and is in charge of feeding the other servitors (specifically stated to him that the servitors are his body and if one dies he dies so he must feed them accordingly when i feed him directly — and he is commanded to never let himself die).

No to this. The leader is a good idea, but they should feed themselves. The leader has enough to do. You absolutely do not want an auto kill command if one of the subordinate servitors dies. One could be killed by a curse, or eaten by a astral predator, and you lose the leader for no reason.

 

[beardedeldridge]

I would work on meditation and self mastery first. But that’s my answer for almost everything.

The general/king is an interesting idea in theory.

ime - If you want to go that route eventually, stick to more of a 2nd in command hierarchy where everything still answers directly to you but that a “chief administrator” of whatever is charged with making everything run smoothly with your best interests in mind.

Have a way to safely end each and everyone of them if needed/desired.

Keep the setup as simple as possible with as few servitors as possible. (Don’t go all tony stark in iron man 3

As far as communications go, even if you don’t have a head servitor, one will speak for the rest, especially if they have a similar role. Eg if you have 4 protectors (each for a cardinal direction or for different family members) one will speak for the rest anyway ime.

*typed quickly while in a meeting but I think it’s coherent

-Eld

 

[frater_pan]

Since you sound like you are planning something complex it might help to look at a published complex servitor project. The

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began as a group of servitors with a set of cards to support divination. There is a published book for the project. They were all birthed in one night in a ritual that the author goes into although it doesn't appear that he goes into all the details. While this could be dismissed as a money making project it seems to have some support and you can actually use the system without buying anything (the cards can be downloaded for free).

 

[jkeller293]

Since you sound like you are planning something complex it might help to look at a published complex servitor project. The

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began as a group of servitors with a set of cards to support divination. There is a published book for the project. They were all birthed in one night in a ritual that the author goes into although it doesn't appear that he goes into all the details. While this could be dismissed as a money making project it seems to have some support and you can actually use the system without buying anything (the cards can be downloaded for free).

Yes i would like to have something complex and im entertaining myself writing about it — but im not planning on doing that right away.

That sounds interesting. So he was combining this with tarot cards? I was thinking of drawing pictures of each one to make it more personal. As for methodology im not exactly there yet to just do my own method for the gestation of them. I do however have some ideas that i plan to experiment with the process of forming and having them come to life. Like for example saying the powers of the servitor while physically drawing the features of the entity in ritual while giving undivided attention to the features as i draw them using words full of gravitas. So if the servitor is to help me pay more attention to what i read — when i draw his eyes in ritual i will glorify that feature while saying how well it can see and what those eyes will do for me.

So thats another idea of mine for a complex servitor to spend alot of effort giving attention to all the features of the servitor one by one.

I will check out what you mentioned thank you.

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Yes i would like to have something complex and im entertaining myself writing about it — but im not planning on doing that right away.

That sounds interesting. So he was combining this with tarot cards? I was thinking of drawing pictures of each one to make it more personal. As for methodology im not exactly there yet to just do my own method for the gestation of them. I do however have some ideas that i plan to experiment with the process of forming and having them come to life. Like for example saying the powers of the servitor while physically drawing the features of the entity in ritual while giving undivided attention to the features as i draw them using words full of gravitas. So if the servitor is to help me pay more attention to what i read — when i draw his eyes in ritual i will glorify that feature while saying how well it can see and what those eyes will do for me.

So thats another idea of mine for a complex servitor to spend alot of effort giving attention to all the features of the servitor one by one.

I will check out what you mentioned thank you.

And of course i would recap on everything i said summarized for each feature as i got towards the end of the ritual and then forming the sigil at the end.

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they should feed themselves. The leader has enough to do. You absolutely do not want an auto kill command if one of the subordinate servitors dies.

Noted

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self mastery

Could you elaborate on this specifically in relation for creating servitors? Or if in general do you have any advice on this? Do you simply mean practicing discipline? Like for example, i struggle being practical — so would working towards being generally more practical help in regard to this?

 

[Daoist practitioner]

Three years ago, my friends and I created two spiritual entities, inspired by the seven celestial planets and the four classical elements, to serve our daily lives. However, we often neglected them, prompting the initiator of this project to devise a method to sustain their existence. He ingeniously redefined their identities, fortified their spiritual prowess, and designed an entire system of magical rituals centered around them—rituals that mirrored every aspect of daily life.

A genius akin to Agrippa, he ensured these rituals shared a common thread: those who received aid would offer food as tokens of gratitude. He compiled his writings into courses, which met with tremendous success. The two spirit servants we created gained significant power from this, and he later crafted additional servant spirits as subordinates to the original pair, continuing to sell courses.

This is the story of my friends and me—a tale that might offer you some inspiration.

 

[beardedeldridge]

Could you elaborate on this specifically in relation for creating servitors? Or if in general do you have any advice on this? Do you simply mean practicing discipline? Like for example, i struggle being practical — so would working towards being generally more practical help in regard to this?

Yep. Just discipline.

Decide what your practice will entail (be practical about the amount of time you have for it) and do it day after day “religiously”. If you decide you are going to fast for x days then do it. If you’re going to do x ritual everyday before sunrise then do that every single morning especially when you don’t feel like it. Strengthen your will and weaken anything that stands in its way (emotions, tiredness, etc…). Make your spoken word mean something, if you want creation/reality/entities/yourself to listen to it then you have to take it seriously as well.

-Eld

 

[frater_pan]

That sounds interesting. So he was combining this with tarot cards? I was thinking of drawing pictures of each one to make it more personal.

Tommy Kelly, the creator of the Forty Servants, created an oracle deck with each card representing one of the servitors.

 

[jkeller293]

Make your spoken word mean something, if you want creation/reality/entities/yourself to listen to it then you have to take it seriously as well.

Never heard anyone explain it like that. You always hear people say "strengthen your will" but never practically described like this. That makes sense to me. Thanks.

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Never heard anyone explain it like that. You always hear people say "strengthen your will" but never practically described like this. That makes sense to me. Thanks.

So if i am comprehending you correctly, something as simple as vocalizing (or using internal dialogue) a statement directed towards a action i want to do such as "I will clean this garage now" then physically doing the action.

Would that be correct?

 

[Ksihkehe]

I am very reluctant to comment much here and haven't found an opportunity to in the past. You seem like a sincere poster and I have enough experience to feel I might provide something useful. I wasn't familiar with this book, but a brief review seems to point toward a model I'm familiar with. I have no broad experience with the literature available on this, but this doesn't look substantially different from John Kreiter's method.

I have only constructed servitors intended for extended use and I don't know if my opinions would be different if I was doing less permanent work. This may exceed the amount of time or effort you intended to invest. It may exceed the scope of the advice you were hoping to receive.

In my opinion the relationship between complexity and the total output required for successful deployment isn't linear, but multiplicative. The difficulty would be further compounded by any interdependence between the individual units or a hierarchy. Your overall skill and abilities will naturally factor into how much of a multiplier complexity might be for this particular practice.

In creating a servitor I focus on embedding the entire construct in my subconscious to such a degree that the name, the associated sigil, and the appearance, are intrinsic to my experience. For this, repetition is helpful. Writing things down, intense visualization, consistent work building it, and consistent work polishing. Whatever methods and mediums you use, repetition. The more complex the range of duties and expectations, the more of this work is required. The complexity can be mitigated by having a cohesive framework where decisions that are superficial to the process are not just wasted effort, but help support some other aspect of the process.

I would recommend starting without much complexity. Nomenclature need not be easy to remember or clever. In fact, the effort of remembering names that are from unfamiliar languages helps both embed them in your subconscious and means that there is no potential for lingering associations that name may have with other things in your life. I use an old language that is phonetically distinct from my own, but uses the same alphabet. I'm unlikely to encounter it outside my use of it, which means there are no unseen strings attached to those words in my mind. I offer this not as a singular correct way to do it, but as a way I have found to have synergistic benefits and/or eliminate subliminal friction. This is one thing I added to my process that seems to benefit the process.

One of the tests I use for judging how well any construct was made is if that construct is available to me in altered states or during moments of distraction. I intentionally incorporate this in my process, being able to access it. This isn't limited to servitors, but can be used for any thoughtforms or egregors. In sports training there is the idea of muscle memory. Part of reducing difficulty, in my opinion, is figuring out how to incorporate "magic memory" wherever possible. An expert martial artist will have reflexive actions that bypass conscious consideration. These reflexive actions are small, but they string together for grand effect. A block or deflection is executed, another reflexive action repositions the body, and from that position an attack can be launched reflexively. In some ways a martial arts system is a very complex ritual. I believe a true artist of magic discipline that's functioning at their full potential will display a seamless fusion of reflexive actions and effortless improvisation. I believe that's the case and it's the logical conclusion of the cosmology in which I consider myself to exist, but it is merely my belief and within my cosmology.

Please don't think I used martial arts in the metaphor because I'm alluding to fantasy magic battles. It's about discipline applied to simple reflexive actions that combine to form an elegant and efficient process. My goal is to make everything in my process as close to a reflexive action as possible, where possible, during the work. I also believe building this library of reflexive actions is a natural and valuable addition to the practices of those that already live their system as part of their lifestyle. These can develop organically as well and most certainly do, without us really noticing.

I have great respect for the authors that have taken the time and possess the skill to offer their whole process for others. I struggle to do so. If anything seems nonsensical, I apologize. Your posts seem to show you're not a novice, so I hope that I have used terms in a way that is compatible with your prior experiences and research.

 

[David Wilson-Steer]

I don't have a lot of experience with creating servitors but I have some.

The first servitor I created was kind of an accident. I was in fear of my life as a result of familiar abuse and was taking psychic action to defend myself. As a result of this I created a thought form way before I ever heard of tulpas or servitors (I was a young teenager) and empowered it to protect me. This was not very clearly defined but it worked for me. I had probably created it by forming the intention while masturbating but I'm unsure. Nonetheless once I was aware that a thought form existed I was able to direct it. It's main job was to keep a powerful family member away from me as much as possible. So in effect it formed a psychic barrier to keep this person out of my room. Other family members also felt these effects. Another family member who wasn't abusive but was antagonistic felt it's effects and avoided entering my room as well. I didn't feed it as I had no idea what I was doing although I did thank it for help and that might have been enough. Also, I was living in an intensely active psychic and spiritist part of the world. It is possible that this wasn't a servitor per se but an actual local spirit or lower god that had decided to help me. The thought form lived in my room for a year until my family moved away because my father's job moved him.

I more recently created a servitor intentionally using the usual psychosexual methods. I feed it using incense and offer this at least once a week. It's purpose is to help me with my memory, more in terms of memory blocks and esp. with remembering people's names in the moment (I have had a problem with remembering people's names my whole life) and this has been helpful. But my memory is still not perfect. For example, I can't quite remember the last two tarot divination's I did yesterday one of which I did write down but another I didn't. So it is my feeling that actual physical or mental limitations can't be reliably overcome, except maybe at the edges. I have been thinking of different methods to strengthen or extent my memory servitor including just creating another more specific servitor that will act in concert with each other.

Oh, there's a simple trick to remembering people's names. When introduced to someone ask them to spell their name and as they do imagine writing it on their foreheads. Short term memory only holds about seven chunks of information at most. To remember something long term you have to associate it with something you already know. There is no natural connection between people's faces and their names. Facial recognition evolved before speech speech evolved so you just have to make a connection. Imagining writing names on foreheads creates that connection.

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So i just finished reading Damon Brand's book "Magickal Servitors" and im very interested in taking a shot at making one. Any advice from anyone who has alot of experience how simple i should start as a beginner. My first one i was thinking of having it have simple task like "give me energy when i wake up" because im very sluggish when i wake up in the morning and often procrastinate doing anything. I want this to be permanent but for now i was going to make a impermanent one. Any advice on what i should command it to specify better results is appreciated. Or if you have a method that works best for you let me know.

I also have another question and this relates to a idea of mine in the future if this works well for me. Let me know if you believe this is a unwise idea for the future if i get good at creating servitors.

My idea was to have a heirarchy of servitors. So there would be one general or king that leads all the others. The others under the leader would have specific tasks that they specialize in and are only active when commanded by their leader by his discretion only. My thought was to have this setup so i could only have to communicate with the leader in order to get a desired result rather than having to adress the others directly. As for feeding i wanted to make it simple as just feeding the leader which then feeds all the others it leads — so essentially the other servitors would be part of the body of the leader.

When i talk to the leader it will coordinate with the other servitors to do the task desired — so if my command to the leader requires more than one specific task, he can make it happen according to the abilities of the other servitors.

So the leader only listens to me, commands and coordinates the other servitors abilities, and is in charge of feeding the other servitors (specifically stated to him that the servitors are his body and if one dies he dies so he must feed them accordingly when i feed him directly — and he is commanded to never let himself die).

This is just a rough draft of my idea but let me know what you think. Be brutally honest with me what you think about this.

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Also if there are any skills you recommend i should work on for making servitors i will appreciate any input. For example, if you have a book that you like that helped strengthen your mental faculties for making servitors let me know.

Sounds a bit like Prospero in 'The Tempest'. My only caution is to do what a magical colleague of mine didn't do. Make sure you put in a 'switch off' clause. It's a good idea to do that with any magical working as sometimes things start going in a direction you didn't expect. In such a case you need to be able to switch of the egregore and start again.

 

[jkeller293]

It may exceed the scope of the advice you were hoping to receive.

All you did was excede my expectations. I appreciate your reply. The more details of your theory the better. I like your idea with "magical memory."

The more complex the range of duties and expectations, the more of this work is required.

Yes, i was thinking repetition would be expected even with a less complex servitor.

I believe a true artist of magic discipline that's functioning at their full potential will display a seamless fusion of reflexive actions and effortless improvisation.

Just as a performance artist would?

I use an old language that is phonetically distinct from my own, but uses the same alphabet.

I was thinking of using the russian language for ritual as im currently studying it now. I like the phonetics of the Cyrillic alphabet, i think they sound more fitting for ritual than using english. I am no where near being a master of the language, but i do like how it would be a much shorter ritual using the language. In english we would say something like "he is an actor" and in russian it would be something like "he actor."

 

[Magpie]

Oh, there's a simple trick to remembering people's names. When introduced to someone ask them to spell their name and as they do imagine writing it on their foreheads. Short term memory only holds about seven chunks of information at most. To remember something long term you have to associate it with something you already know. There is no natural connection between people's faces and their names. Facial recognition evolved before speech speech evolved so you just have to make a connection. Imagining writing names on foreheads creates that connection.

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Sounds a bit like Prospero in 'The Tempest'. My only caution is to do what a magical colleague of mine didn't do. Make sure you put in a 'switch off' clause. It's a good idea to do that with any magical working as sometimes things start going in a direction you didn't expect. In such a case you need to be able to switch of the egregore and start again.

I agree with you, but I'd like to make a distinction between an egregore and a servitor. An egregore is more complex, abstract, created semi-knowingly or unknowingly by larger groups, pretty much uncontrollable. A servitor is made by a person or a small group, with a specific intention,, and since it is created and sustained by one person or a few people, it is easier to control and dismantle. I think of a servitor as a sort of psychic drone, while an egregore would be something bigger, like a commercial "brand" with a certain identity and a specific way it makes people who interact with it feel.

 

[David Wilson-Steer]

All you did was excede my expectations. I appreciate your reply. The more details of your theory the better. I like your idea with "magical memory."



Yes, i was thinking repetition would be expected even with a less complex servitor.



Just as a performance artist would?



I was thinking of using the russian language for ritual as im currently studying it now. I like the phonetics of the Cyrillic alphabet, i think they sound more fitting for ritual than using english. I am no where near being a master of the language, but i do like how it would be a much shorter ritual using the language. In english we would say something like "he is an actor" and in russian it would be something like "he actor."

That's much like Welsh. Using a language that feels powerful to you I think is good, although the Abramelin would suggest that you make sure you understand what you're saying. Crowley made up his own 'barbarous words of power'.

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I agree with you, but I'd like to make a distinction between an egregore and a servitor. An egregore is more complex, abstract, created semi-knowingly or unknowingly by larger groups, pretty much uncontrollable. A servitor is made by a person or a small group, with a specific intention,, and since it is created and sustained by one person or a few people, it is easier to control and dismantle. I think of a servitor as a sort of psychic drone, while an egregore would be something bigger, like a commercial "brand" with a certain identity and a specific way it makes people who interact with it feel.

I disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Magpie]

I disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.

Could you elaborate? I am new to all this, so I do not have a strong opinion. Hopefully not too off topic to discuss whether egregores and servitors are the same.