Islamic magic without Islamic patriarchy

[thepolestar]

My spirits have guided me to read some commentaries and analysis of the Quran lately, and it's a very occult text - likely a bigger heavy hitter than the Bible. But I am NOT down with their fake prophet, who was a pedophile & who hated women, or the history of woman-hating attitudes in Islam. I also think the version of Allah that Muhammad contacted is likely a demiurge of some kind; the real Allah may have a more gnostic or otherwise Pagan-friendly face.

Almost all Sufi occultists rely on basic dogma to cast their spells, but it's dogma that I don't want (e.g. "no God but this demiurge, and this pedophile is his prophet"). But the underlying magical tech is powerful. Is there a woman-friendly version of Islamic magic?

Or has someone taken apart the tech, examined it, and repurposed it in a woman-friendly/pagan-friendly paradigm?

 

[ADiTyA RaJ]

I don't think there is something like this that you are asking.

 

[Adelina]

All of Arabian Magic appeared before Islam, but with advance of Islam a lot of Islamic things were superimposed on it. My advice would be, if you want to venture on territory of Arabian Magic, try to find some good practices, which don't involve Quran, it might be harder to find them, but they are out there. Surely, they might involve Allah, but Allah simply means something like "God" and not something exclusive to Islam.

 

[8Lou1]

opening a qoran is like looking into a mirror. so if and when you see pedophiles and a demiurge id advise you to look inside and research where that comes from. some goes for female hate in the qoran. since you like the occult tech part i would advise you to look up books and qoran translation written by sam gerrans. you can read the translation of the qoran freely on the site quranite.com. his qoran is riddled with footnotes and can lead you from nowhere to anywhere and vise versa. its good research..

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you know i really like it that i give you so much joy while replying to your thread, still a conversation is more enjoyable. so since i gave you a proper answer to your very own question and you have only 4 or 5 posts on wf, i presume you are laughing your fears away and are preparing yourself for a nice discussion as to why you are so aroused in anger over a man who presumably married a 9 year old girl about 1500 (!) years ago and is a story in the hadith. so please DO have some more guts then a laughing emoji. its your topic, give it some honor.

 

[MidnightProphet]

I don't think there is something like this that you are asking.

Ah, but there is!

My spirits have guided me to read some commentaries and analysis of the Quran lately, and it's a very occult text - likely a bigger heavy hitter than the Bible. But I am NOT down with their fake prophet, who was a pedophile & who hated women, or the history of woman-hating attitudes in Islam. I also think the version of Allah that Muhammad contacted is likely a demiurge of some kind; the real Allah may have a more gnostic or otherwise Pagan-friendly face.

Almost all Sufi occultists rely on basic dogma to cast their spells, but it's dogma that I don't want (e.g. "no God but this demiurge, and this pedophile is his prophet"). But the underlying magical tech is powerful. Is there a woman-friendly version of Islamic magic?

Or has someone taken apart the tech, examined it, and repurposed it in a woman-friendly/pagan-friendly paradigm?

No, and they never will, because once this happens it fails to be "Islam." HOWEVER, the Middle East is not the only place for Islamic magick. Indonesia, in fact, has the largest Muslim population in the world, and many of their "off-menu" practices have evolved alongside their traditional pre-Islamic ceremonial magicks. I would recommend beginning research into Indonesian magic and mysticism. Works by Sunan Kalijaga can provide a basis of thought for Islam-adjacent mysticism, while Part IV of Indonesia's Islamic Revolution, entitled Magic, Amulets and Trances from Cambridge University Press can provide some scholarly yet detailed records of practices, offering a look at traditional magick and Islam as it is practiced in Indonesia. Also, find a copy of the Shams al-Ma'arif online and read it. There is also pawang, dukun and santet practices which utilize Islamic texts.

 

[Voidking]

Although, I'm certainly against Institutional Ideological islam, and the way the prophet Muhammad perceives the world, his will to power and his emphasis on monotheism and "I found the one and only absolute truth", I think it is your approach to the text and life of Muhammad which is dogmatic, re-consider that.

The allah you talk about, the Allah of Muhammad, and the Allah of Sufis are very different.

 

[8Lou1]

since there is an interest in the occult side of islam and how to perceive it, i have a question for all of us that is an advise as well.
the pope has died and they are going to choose a new pope. the new pope has great influence in the spheres our interests lay, so who would one want like to see as the new pope? i ask cause for example in tarot cards there are pope cards. these are subconscious doors. the real pope rules from the vatican, the religious center of the earth. still the qoran states to be the third and last book of their religion. the death pope was very anti certain sexual acts like pedophelia, so me thinks that train of thought should be respected and the new pope should be without such a persuasion.

i live as a moslem sufi, so when i take my stand i proclaim to be more then the whole church all together simply, cause they dont openly accept the qoran as their last book. its a holy war, where i refuse to bow for THAT inclination. the only way to do that is by not be a mo, but to turn inside and find the inner jihad that is calling.

the pope wont be buried in the st peter, but will be with mary. it tells a lot...

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

Truth is a diamond with many faces while the Divine shines through it illuminating the diamond.

We get to choose what face we look into but in essence we are still experiencing the luminous quality of the diamond, no matter what reflection we may notice first.

 

[thepolestar]

Heads up:

• If you have nothing useful to contribute to my line of magical inquiry except dogmatic lecturing that defends the patriarchy, get out of my thread.
• If you want to derail this discussion by bringing up the pedophile-protecting Pope Francis, in a thread where I'm divesting magical power from the pedophile "prophet" Muhammad, get out of my thread.

If this is a problem, then I'm happy to ask the admin to simply lock this thread. There's little useful discussion on this topic anyway.

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@HoldAll please lock this thread, my actual OP is not the subject of discussion anymore.