Art egregors

[AtiJon]

Hi there, few questions about your opinions about egregores in perspective of art:

Shakespeare for example created immortal poems. People like it, people read them, people explore them, people share energy with his work. People get emotional response in return.

We can tell he created egregore, don’t we?

I use to learn by heart a lot of poems when I was a kid, and even write some when I become 12-13y old.

I still do remember very clearly how walking from my home to bus stop I kept repeating same poems in same order passing same buildings and in couple years I had feeling that walls like talking to me, they “irradiate” poems but that “irradiation” only I can feel.

I colored walls Like by invisible ink.

Many years after i considered that association, invisible tags which we put on object are actually alive by some perspective.

So what do you think, guys? Where is a border? A lot of people familiar with Shakespeare, but what if I write poems for sky, mountains and dragons are they alive if they didn’t find audiences? Can I tell that if I put heart and soul in a story or poem and divine it to nature, that i created egregore?

And one last important question:

What do you think Shakespeare had some kind of response from his own creation during life?

What about after death?

 

[Yazata]

are they alive if they didn’t find audiences? Can I tell that if I put heart and soul in a story or poem and divine it to nature, that i created egregore?

Maybe not an egregore as they need more than 1 people. But a thought form, maybe a servitor?

 

[AtiJon]

If it’s a one people, you know the word) ty, I didn’t know that
Yes, maybe servitor
Do you guys, believe in that concept? Is anywhere I can read about this idea?

 

[Yazata]

Yes
Look for servitor, tulpa, thought form

 

[AtiJon]

So by information I found, servitor and tulips both appear by ritual, meditation or energy manipulation
But I am talking about art. About how great authors changed the world, and wonder if they created something like egregore? What do you think guys, please help me develop that subject, I am so hungry for discussion)
I never been at such forum, and I have a list of subject like this which I crave to share and discuss. It would be so nice to get a hearing from community or if someone explain why it dose not make sense from esoteric perspective

 

[Faria]

So what do you think, guys? Where is a border? A lot of people familiar with Shakespeare, but what if I write poems for sky, mountains and dragons are they alive if they didn’t find audiences? Can I tell that if I put heart and soul in a story or poem and divine it to nature, that i created egregore?

Take care not to confuse popular acceptance of an idea with reality.

You might see a term commonly referenced online or appearing in a book, but there is no guarantee that it will be real or useful information. Occult literature is full of topics like that. You'll see some very popular authors, alive or dead, refer to things that sound great but are just not real or have no usefulness in practice.

The result, if you are not careful, is a gradual shift away from what works and is useful. The only way to guard against that is to set very high standards for your own acceptance of an idea. Somebody says they have a "hypersigil" or an "egregore," don't just accept that as something real, especially if it's your own. If it's worthy, nothing you can do will spoil it, so investigate the living daylights out of every single thing in this field or you will end up chasing very foolish things and have no idea how far you've gotten from where you want to be.

 

[AtiJon]

Take care not to confuse popular acceptance of an idea with reality.

You might see a term commonly referenced online or appearing in a book, but there is no guarantee that it will be real or useful information. Occult literature is full of topics like that. You'll see some very popular authors, alive or dead, refer to things that sound great but are just not real or have no usefulness in practice.

The result, if you are not careful, is a gradual shift away from what works and is useful. The only way to guard against that is to set very high standards for your own acceptance of an idea. Somebody says they have a "hypersigil" or an "egregore," don't just accept that as something real, especially if it's your own. If it's worthy, nothing you can do will spoil it, so investigate the living daylights out of every single thing in this field or you will end up chasing very foolish things and have no idea how far you've gotten from where you want to be.

I see your point

There so many crazy ideas if you want ok internet, YouTube is full of conspiracy theory videos and the offspring of a wild imagination

And it so hard to distinguish something what people use to call esoteric from pure wild fantasy, at least for rookie like me

But I don’t see that subject as pure fantasy child

Affect of greatest authors in history such as Dostoevsky or Jack London could be underestimated from esoteric point of view, people read over and over again their works, people “worship” them, so what is differences between Pushkin and Ra for example?

I don’t want to insist that that is something very important or could be.

Maybe you, guys will help me to develop that subject?) I am just curious, I am not fixated on this, it’s more like a “hello post” for community by me)

Actually at religion branch I opened another topic, maybe questions there make more sense?) it’s a about ai)

 

[Faria]

Affect of greatest authors in history such as Dostoevsky or Jack London could be underestimated from esoteric point of view, people read over and over again their works, people “worship” them, so what is differences between Pushkin and Ra for example?

On the surface of that, I'd say that Ra as a character concept was put together over a long time by many people, and that it is meant to represent God for those people. They might have been praying to Ra all that time, but I think it's likely that most of them meant for their prayers to reach something deeper or universal and Ra was just the closest stand-in available for that. No amount of worship made Ra real, it was always an idea devoid of any power on its own. When they forgot that and tried to rely on Ra more than reality, they were utterly destroyed to such an extent that even the name of Ra was forgotten, despite its supposedly godlike power.

The egregore theory is essentially that if many people invest effort or worship into something, that it gains power and takes on a life of its own. I think it's just another of many false but popular beliefs in the occult community. Other people, certainly a whole lot more of them, disagree with me and see it as a valid doctrine.

 

[AtiJon]

I respect your point of view, tell me what do you believe in then?
I mean I am not sure any egregore is exist as well, but I use to live being confused)
I am seeking for different points of view, they making layers on my point of perception and formulate worldview
And so far my worldview just dose not exclude egregors)

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I respect your point of view, tell me what do you believe in then?
I mean I am not sure any egregore is exist as well, but I use to live being confused)
I am seeking for different points of view, they making layers on my point of perception and formulate worldview
And so far my worldview just dose not exclude egregors)