Sufficient contact with angels using older methods

[DiLoco_DelEted]

For those of you that took interest in magic in the 80s and are still sort of a newbie, you might be like me. My special project as of late above grade system work book, is that of invoking/evoking Shem Angels/Archangels. Unfortunately, I dont have clairvoyance or clairaudience in the past and have blindly evoked a lot of demons in the past. So Im pretty much Helen Keller in occult.

What I want to know is how, before modern magic books like Gallery of Magic, how you made sufficient contact with Archangels and Zodiac/Shem Angels. Solomonic magic? Waite style conjurations? Saintly practices such as alms giving and fasting?

 

[Mider2009]

I’ve spoken to various spirits and had others speak to them for me using tarot, runes, etc

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Tarot and Runes. Tarot I can see from a Paul Foster Case (Builders of the Adytum, Fraternity of the Hidden Light, etc) paradigm. Im not sure if Heptameron has conjurations and a method for summoning angels, of if there is another grimoire that deals only with angels. Perhaps the Jesuit and Fransiscan grimoires have conjurations.
I wasn't sure if I would have to undergo the Spiritual Exercises of Loyola or Mother Theresa, or undertake the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage, etc.

 

[Roma]

The term Angel comes from the Greek. It means messenger. So the original term does not necessarily indicate rank or worthiness.

In western spiritual science it can be useful to distinguish:

• elementals, the intelligence implicit in matter on all planes
• nature spirits (lesser devas) that organize groups of elementals for higher function, e.g. mental processes
• greater devas (sometimes called angels) that organize the nature spirits for higher function e.g. solar systemic meridians

Mostly it requires right relationship before these intelligences respond as they have their proper tasks already.

There are however many adverse entities that take advantage of humans with damaged integrity systems e.g. passive permission given to wrong-doing.

Invocation of alleged angel names may attract unwanted attention. For example, who believes the usernames on the internet? Are the inner plane entities so naive as to give access names to humans?

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Well, every day I try (keyword) to remember to invoke the Shem angel of the day and the Archangel of the day most importantly, based on old prayers from the OSS/Frater S' website. Also Oratory prayers. Ive done one unsuccessful petition ritual starting with Vehuiah, as I wanted to wield power over Baal, and he is the ruling angel over Baal. Perhaps not the brightest move.
Eventua;lly I want to get into planetary magic, this involves me knowing inside and out the planets, their angels, intelligences, spirits, evoking and mastering all, assigning them regular tasks not entirely self serving.
But as one demon replied "Many want to wield the power over planets, but think of the millions that failed". An awakening. Know your s**t.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Right, but a relationship, how is this established when they won't give you the time of day? They know me, dont they? Im not exactly a silver tongued devil, a little more than a bookworm, about the middle Id say.
To form a relationship, both parties typically converse with each other, and resolve differences, or realize the advantage of being allies.
Furthermore, we are supposed to wield power over them as well, at least for a little while.
However, I know the warning on elementals, and Ghob has blown me off I think.
I guess it comes down to this, I need their help. Otherwise, well, Im not sure I have a whole lot of friends in the Goetia or Qlippoth.
And as for old deities, well, Lucifer has claimed to wear many masks.

So that is a good question -- who exactly are these folks we are convinced are inner plane contacts, and how can we know for sure that they are who we think they are?

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Or, perhaps the better question is, why are they letting demons be more willing to make contact? Ive had one or two reach out to me, Foras and Lucifer to be precise.
A friend who channels impromptu, has I think revealed Samael, Lucifuge, Azoth/Aoth, possibly Belial, as Samael and Belial if they are who they are, rave, claim they're Lucifer and the whole story is false, and actually the reverse. Also Judas popped up one night as well.
Yeah, not exactly sure who folks are, and why they are trying to contact me, while angels won't touch my issues with a ten foot pole?
Sort of the reason I went to the LHP to begin with, feeling revoked/unheard. The other side heard alright.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Orr, perhaps more to the point, how would each side/way/path deal with this situation, from RHP to MHP to LHP?

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

There is always the Waite style conjurations, the Solomonic approach, bindings and so on. The demons dont care much for these methods.
But, where would I find comparable conjurations for angels, unless it is literally written something like "Spirit N" in Ceremonial Magic and Black Magic Pacts by Waite. Waite, besides Solomon ,is the oldest source I can think of that did these style of conjurations, unless Barrett or someone else also has conjurations.

 

[Roma]

a relationship, how is this established when they won't give you the time of day?

Inner plane relationship is based upon the quality of light bodies. Who, other than a predator, will approach an offensive light body?

we are supposed to wield power over them

That is not their understanding.

who exactly are these folks we are convinced are inner plane contacts

A good question. Personally I test any new arrival for plane of operation, light-dark balance, intent, and if I can, kingdom. Then I let them closer to feel their effect, and push them away a couple of times for before and after comparisons.

I never trust until I have tested and preferably had a reference from a trusted entity. Even then I use a layered process of acceptance. I have been fooled before.

, why are they letting demons be more willing to make contact?

You might equally ask why garbage attracts flies. Because the flies help with the ecosystem recycling.

I went to the LHP to begin with, feeling revoked/unheard.

There are both light schools and dark schools. Very few who act in the LHP actually belong to a dark school. The dark school teaches how to assist the Light to form separated existences including planets. It is a very disciplined school and has no place for self-indulgence

how would each side/way/path deal with this situation, from RHP to MHP to LHP?

There is no MHP. Very few are called to the dark school. You are not.

Learn to love the elementals, nature spirits and the few higher devas that make up your human system. Right relationship with them is the proper entry to inner plane brotherhoods

Waite style conjurations

The human race has moved on a lot since then.

 

[KjEno186]

Or, perhaps the better question is, why are they letting demons be more willing to make contact? Ive had one or two reach out to me, Foras and Lucifer to be precise.

Someone I met online told me about this book,

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. It looks interesting, but when I buy books, I only buy physical copies, and even then, not very often. That being said, it would be interesting to know what "Lucifer" wanted to say to you.

 

[William66]

I do, but i have to do daily conjuration of the day(Archangels) in the heptameron(Lucidarium). Did i understand your question?

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Someone I met online told me about this book,

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. It looks interesting, but when I buy books, I only buy physical copies, and even then, not very often. That being said, it would be interesting to know what "Lucifer" wanted to say to you.

The general gist is it goes a little like the Gospel according to Judas, who also popped up the last night I was over.

In the original gospels as we know it, Christ, after his ministry, had irked the general religious leaders who had their comfy places uprooted.
Judas was approached for and paid to betray Christ, who had been sort of vague looking to authorities, hence why Judas was involved and kissed the Master. Christ was then arrested, beat horribly, wounded on top of that. (This kid bears stigmata markings). Christ was then nailed to the cross and hung there to die, while other events went on - dividing his clothes, jeers and insults, the argument between the thieves on the other two crosses, etc. Christ then died and ascended.

"Lucifer"'s gist is this: Its the reverse. Lucifer was supposed to be the one crucifed and ascended, but was gyped out of his place by some form of politicking by Christ.

It did and didn't make sense. Luciguge then popped up and had nothing relevant to say.

Then (Samuel or Belial, Choronon maybe?) showed up and did the general Scripture arguing injecting nonexistent scripture, and general howling and raving.

Posession perhaps? Tomfoolery chain yanking me?

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

I do, but i have to do daily conjuration of the day(Archangels) in the heptameron(Lucidarium). Did i understand your question?

This sounds like what I was looking for, conjurations for the Archangels in the Heptameron. On my way to go find that tome now. Thanks!

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Inner plane relationship is based upon the quality of light bodies. Who, other than a predator, will approach an offensive light body?



That is not their understanding.



A good question. Personally I test any new arrival for plane of operation, light-dark balance, intent, and if I can, kingdom. Then I let them closer to feel their effect, and push them away a couple of times for before and after comparisons.

I never trust until I have tested and preferably had a reference from a trusted entity. Even then I use a layered process of acceptance. I have been fooled before.



You might equally ask why garbage attracts flies. Because the flies help with the ecosystem recycling.



There are both light schools and dark schools. Very few who act in the LHP actually belong to a dark school. The dark school teaches how to assist the Light to form separated existences including planets. It is a very disciplined school and has no place for self-indulgence




There is no MHP. Very few are called to the dark school. You are not.

Learn to love the elementals, nature spirits and the few higher devas that make up your human system. Right relationship with them is the proper entry to inner plane brotherhoods




The human race has moved on a lot since then.

Thank you for the cut to the chase, greatly appreciated. Will follow your advice, thanks!

 

[William66]

This sounds like what I was looking for, conjurations for the Archangels in the Heptameron. On my way to go find that tome now. Thanks!

Here you can find all seven conjuration of each day and much more.

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[DiLoco_DelEted]

Ive found a couple more resources, one heavily involving use of a pendulum and petitions, and others for invocation and evocation of the Shem angels. Along with the Heptameron resources found, will try more work with the Archangels and Shem using the conjurations I found.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

There is also, per the GoM books, emissaries used along with Shem angels. I was browsing an angel dictionary, and found A'Albiel, an angel in service of Archangel Michael. I wonder...
So angels in service of the archangels might be beginner friendly angles, or they may rip me to shreds upon contact. All we can do is try...

I will have to seriously study that as well and record per the seven who are in service to them, sigils can be derived, as per the names in conjurations.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Well, calling that named angel of service was an odd sequence of events.
Perhaps double check a name before concentrating on it or worse yet calling out to it.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

While having an internet glitch, I shutdown and was looking through 72 Angels of Magick, and saw in the appendix the Master Ritual simplified, and may follow that, as well as 24-72 hours of invoking archangels by their hour. Obviously I would nee dup to three days off while bills are current, so probably not for a bit.
Also looking at the conjuration in the Heptameron that may also be applied, still want to check out Agrippa, Barrett, and Waite to see their conjurations of they exist.
Past that, perhaps observance of the Judaism holy days and attendance at a temple, and perhaps receiving a blessing from a rabbi, or obtaining blessed water and oil. Prayer, fasting for several days before the conjuration, a crash predatory immersion I guess.