[Opinion] Vampiric immortality

[Morell]

I really wonder if vampiric way can actually lead to achieving immortality. My thoughts went this way: If person starts working at scam calling center, they start tricking people and in time get very good about it, that it actually overgrows their work and they start doing it for their own gain beyond the work. It makes them better and better scammer. Until it's unbearable and backfires one way or the other, in this life or beyond it.

So what about vampire? If vampire becomes a leech that parasites on others and they do, then their feeding evolves them into greater and greater leech. In case of vampire it will look probably something like Azatoth, a being with tentacles that draws in all the energy. Vampire can become too needy for energy around them too. Then it implodes or starves to self-destruction, if the world doesn't destroy them first.

Though the logic used here is little extreme, I think it raises the question if vampiric feeding can make one immortal. It doesn't grant vampire more life, it grants him only bigger sack to store life and bigger thirst, or should I say stronger and more needy digesting system for it.

Doesn't feel right for one who seeks to live forever...

 

[Mannimarco]

If you mean physically staying alive forever in the body you are in now, it might be possible. I tend to think a lot of thing are possible with magick. Though not everything possible is also practical. The amount of effort required to even approach such a goal would be extreme, to say the least.

A shorter term goal would be ascending through psychic/energy vampirism, which is totally doable. Though it's one of the more dangerous approaches.

As to vampiric evolution, from what I've seen, a human would never resemble Atazoth, who is a different species from a different universe, unless the human was possessed by him. Which would be a very real and disastrous possibility.

I would say successful vampiric evolution would look like an ascended master who is really good at psychic vampirism. And failed vampiric evolution would resemble a meth addict.

 

[Mystic_friend]

immortality is overrated, only billionaires thrust for is as they only have power in the material world.

 

[Mannimarco]

immortality is overrated, only billionaires thrust for is as they only have power in the material world.

That's not up to you.

If Morell wants to achieve vampiric immortality, good for him. Myself, I also do magick to extend my lifespan, not intended to achieve actually immortality, but a longer lifespan. The longer i live, the more I learn about the universe, and the more magickal ability I accrue.

 

[silencewaits]

What kind of immortality are we talking about here? Extending the lifespan of one's physical body as it is? Persisting after the death of the physical body? One is more achievable than the other, theoretically. But I don't understand the want to. I envy those who live wild and free--dying young without fear, passing on into eternity. Immortality should belong to them.

Can someone really 'drink from the fountain of life' if they're a leech concerned with preserving their feeble, transient mortal egos? That's the first thing to go. I think the energy would be better spent mastering this life, developing their vitality through exercise (not just of the body). Testing their limits, and passing onto what comes next with no reservations. Living how they wish to die, dying how they wish to live.

 

[Mystic_friend]

That's not up to you.

If Morell wants to achieve vampiric immortality, good for him. Myself, I also do magick to extend my lifespan, not intended to achieve actually immortality, but a longer lifespan. The longer i live, the more I learn about the universe, and the more magickal ability I accrue.

I'm not telling anyone to do anything dude I was just stating an opinion, calm down.

 

[Mystic_friend]

That's not up to you.

If Morell wants to achieve vampiric immortality, good for him. Myself, I also do magick to extend my lifespan, not intended to achieve actually immortality, but a longer lifespan. The longer i live, the more I learn about the universe, and the more magickal ability I accrue.

you want power? lol it's so over in the kali yuga in an enlightened state you have power over the universe but you have no use for it, it's kinda funny lol if you think about it

 

[Morell]

What kind of immortality are we talking about here?

Good point, I didn't specify that. I assume that a lot of vamps rather seek to preserve themselves after physical death, so that was my point. Should have wrote that clear. I too heard of possibility of extending physical life. Might be possible too.

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immortality is overrated, only billionaires thrust for is as they only have power in the material world.

There is a saying, though I don't know if I remember it word to word, the message is wise: do not judge people unless you walked a mile in their shoes. None of us truly knows how other people live and thinking that rich are evil because they are rich is not getting you anywhere. It doesn't bring good nor wisdom.

 

[Mannimarco]

you want power? lol it's so over in the kali yuga in an enlightened state you have power over the universe but you have no use for it, it's kinda funny lol if you think about it

You are completely off topic, and contributing absolutely nothing relevent to the conversation.

Kindly f*ck off

 

[Mystic_friend]

You are completely off topic, and contributing absolutely nothing relevent to the conversation.

Kindly f*ck off

you're acting like I've skinned your baby alive, calm down + I was just stating my opinion

Good point, I didn't specify that. I assume that a lot of vamps rather seek to preserve themselves after physical death, so that was my point. Should have wrote that clear. I too heard of possibility of extending physical life. Might be possible too.

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There is a saying, though I don't know if I remember it word to word, the message is wise: do not judge people unless you walked a mile in their shoes. None of us truly knows how other people live and thinking that rich are evil because they are rich is not getting you anywhere. It doesn't bring good nor wisdom.

although you do make a point, if i were in the shoes of billionaires i'd also want to extend my life as i've wasted my life trying to attain wealth I'd try to hold on to it for as long as possible + do you think that a man with more wealth than he can possibly use in a lifetime even if he spends it all lavishly and even if he stops working is a good man? if you do then you're truly a fool. i have no care for the money he has i only care for his lust for it I respect a king because he won't try to squeeze every last penny out of his citizens, I respect a business owner as they're just looking for a better life, but the billionaires are past that point.

 

[Benzzz]

I really wonder if vampiric way can actually lead to achieving immortality. My thoughts went this way: If person starts working at scam calling center, they start tricking people and in time get very good about it, that it actually overgrows their work and they start doing it for their own gain beyond the work. It makes them better and better scammer. Until it's unbearable and backfires one way or the other, in this life or beyond it.

So what about vampire? If vampire becomes a leech that parasites on others and they do, then their feeding evolves them into greater and greater leech. In case of vampire it will look probably something like Azatoth, a being with tentacles that draws in all the energy. Vampire can become too needy for energy around them too. Then it implodes or starves to self-destruction, if the world doesn't destroy them first.

Though the logic used here is little extreme, I think it raises the question if vampiric feeding can make one immortal. It doesn't grant vampire more life, it grants him only bigger sack to store life and bigger thirst, or should I say stronger and more needy digesting system for it.

Doesn't feel right for one who seeks to live forever...

People normally use to live 300+ plus years and you don’t have to be a vampire to be immortal but they need blood the same way we need food it’s just nutrients doesn’t make it wrong just makes it life

 

[Konsciencia]

Becoming Immortal in this physical world. Does not satisfy me. I am so want to go home. Don't get me wrong, Earth has it's beautiful side and I admire that. However, it's not a place I would come back to.

 

[Morell]

Becoming Immortal in this physical world. Does not satisfy me. I am so want to go home. Don't get me wrong, Earth has it's beautiful side and I admire that. However, it's not a place I would come back to.

I understand that. I've heard, and I can easily believe it, that if people could choose, very few would want to reincarnate here on Earth. Guess that it is really not place worth being immortal at... maybe place yes, but humanity probably ruins the magic.

 

[ElectricEgregore]

What a weird direction this thread took, (so my slightly off topic comment might not ruin it that much- yay)
but the topic is fascinating none the less-

I also think it is worth pursuing to 'cure' aging as we know it- just meaning to prevent as many of the ills we are associating with aging as we can. Do they really have to be part of aging in the extent we are used to it? How much is actually in direct correlation with our nutrition etc? Cancer, Dementia- what stops us from completely wiping that stuff out- just like Japan recently deleted the gene that causes down syndrome?

And while comparing different prior high civilizations (we do not know enough about mostly to be fair) to our technologically 'kinda advanced' species does not always make sense- there are some parallels of some advancements that can be expected- like breakthroughs in stemcell research and what not-
and the topic that comes up again and again in connection to ancient myths and practices like the yogas and qi gongs and pranayamas that are still practiced in this world today. In the small, like one yogi I once saw on youtube that was over 90, yogi master, spending his days on the beach, looking 60, active love life, mediterranean diet...
Or the classics like the tales about the lifespans of the Llamas in Tibet, the naked Sadhus in the mountain caves... The parallels of the 'modern vampirism' of some wealthy folks getting 'young plasma infusions', to the creepy tales of french castles and firstborn sons of the crowleyan 'prescription'...

And there is the tale of St. Germain's triangular book, written in his own script, tales of his extremely long lifespan. I wanted to finally talk more about the more subtle sphere things surrounding things that go in direction immortality or the modern term 'radical life extention' initially, but the more I think about these topics I always end up in physicality, like the bodies we want to 'preserve' so to speak.
I mean St. Germain was an alchemist, the Yogis perform physical excercises and rituals, like buddhists gives very specific directions on how to live life down to the posture of ones hands to reach certain goals.

I think the goal to longevity could be in part applying the principle of 'Gyoji' that Monks used to practise- It's basically doing the same things at the same time every day- same time getting up, same food, same continous practise- until one is so used to the training that is literally becomes the persons personality. Once one can not even act against the routine, the real mastery of any art or training comes to fruition.
Doing without doing. No attachement to outcome, just progress in skill.

What I wanted to say is- Gyoji-like practise, paired with some physical things- like phsical exercises and mediation, the best possible nutrition, best application of other physical things like plant medicines, mind altering or not, optimizing technology in day to day life to counter cortisol and of course the right forms of 'spiritual practise' and ritual could be the key to real longevity.
The Muses come to those that make the effort. Every day.

Man I first thought I might not go off topic that much, but there you have it, my thoughts that have not much to do with vampirism :/

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That's not up to you.

If Morell wants to achieve vampiric immortality, good for him. Myself, I also do magick to extend my lifespan, not intended to achieve actually immortality, but a longer lifespan. The longer i live, the more I learn about the universe, and the more magickal ability I accrue.

May I ask which deities or system you work rituals to expand your lifespan?

 

[Mannimarco]

May I ask which deities or system you work rituals to expand your lifespan?

No deities or rituals, sigils connected to power sources. Lots and lots of them.

 

[ElectricEgregore]

No deities or rituals, sigils connected to power sources. Lots and lots of them.

Could you recommend a resource or two to learn about this technomancy? Thank you!

 

[Beyond Everything]

If you look at something like the TOV, they teach (or taught) that one still needs a physical base to ensure the astral body carries on, that's the reason they give to their flock, er, members to buy cryonic contracts. Of course it contradicts other things they believe but I'm not here to square that circle.

Thoughts, emotions, thoughtforms and more shorten the physical lifespan. That's a great occult secret I'm alluding to, one they don't teach you in the garbage books that pass for the occult.

 

[Mannimarco]

Could you recommend a resource or two to learn about this technomancy? Thank you!

Afraid not, the technique is my own. But there's no reason why whatever magick you like or are good at wouldn't do the same thing.

 

[Morell]

What a weird direction this thread took, (so my slightly off topic comment might not ruin it that much- yay)
but the topic is fascinating none the less-

I also think it is worth pursuing to 'cure' aging as we know it- just meaning to prevent as many of the ills we are associating with aging as we can. Do they really have to be part of aging in the extent we are used to it? How much is actually in direct correlation with our nutrition etc? Cancer, Dementia- what stops us from completely wiping that stuff out- just like Japan recently deleted the gene that causes down syndrome?

And while comparing different prior high civilizations (we do not know enough about mostly to be fair) to our technologically 'kinda advanced' species does not always make sense- there are some parallels of some advancements that can be expected- like breakthroughs in stemcell research and what not-
and the topic that comes up again and again in connection to ancient myths and practices like the yogas and qi gongs and pranayamas that are still practiced in this world today. In the small, like one yogi I once saw on youtube that was over 90, yogi master, spending his days on the beach, looking 60, active love life, mediterranean diet...
Or the classics like the tales about the lifespans of the Llamas in Tibet, the naked Sadhus in the mountain caves... The parallels of the 'modern vampirism' of some wealthy folks getting 'young plasma infusions', to the creepy tales of french castles and firstborn sons of the crowleyan 'prescription'...

And there is the tale of St. Germain's triangular book, written in his own script, tales of his extremely long lifespan. I wanted to finally talk more about the more subtle sphere things surrounding things that go in direction immortality or the modern term 'radical life extention' initially, but the more I think about these topics I always end up in physicality, like the bodies we want to 'preserve' so to speak.
I mean St. Germain was an alchemist, the Yogis perform physical excercises and rituals, like buddhists gives very specific directions on how to live life down to the posture of ones hands to reach certain goals.

I think the goal to longevity could be in part applying the principle of 'Gyoji' that Monks used to practise- It's basically doing the same things at the same time every day- same time getting up, same food, same continous practise- until one is so used to the training that is literally becomes the persons personality. Once one can not even act against the routine, the real mastery of any art or training comes to fruition.
Doing without doing. No attachement to outcome, just progress in skill.

What I wanted to say is- Gyoji-like practise, paired with some physical things- like phsical exercises and mediation, the best possible nutrition, best application of other physical things like plant medicines, mind altering or not, optimizing technology in day to day life to counter cortisol and of course the right forms of 'spiritual practise' and ritual could be the key to real longevity.
The Muses come to those that make the effort. Every day.

Man I first thought I might not go off topic that much, but there you have it, my thoughts that have not much to do with vampirism :/

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May I ask which deities or system you work rituals to expand your lifespan?

Good thoughts there.

Didn't know about the Japan genetic engineering, but it's a step in good direction. This DNA editing is inevitable and will lead to many difficulties, both physical as well as ethical. I'm myself bothered about biological clock. Also aur teeth gets reduced over time, even if we look away from other issues.

Physical immortality is really a question worth thinking about because we are slowly heading towards it. Here I'll get controversial, but what I see when thinking about it, those who will get to this technology first will become immortal and then there is the question, how much they will be willing to share it. You can think about vampires in movies living hundreds of years, no longer really thinking about humans as equal to them, they were different species to them. I wouldn't be surprised if it became real situation in the future... provided that they will tolerate mortals to live at all... which they probably will.

So it looks like so off topic when we talk scientific immortality, but then we end with exact image of nobles that look from above on the mortal masses. Quite like modern vampires...

 

[ElectricEgregore]

Afraid not, the technique is my own. But there's no reason why whatever magick you like or are good at wouldn't do the same thing.

True, thank you. I'm also a bit into analogue synths and diy stuff, you know the projects one always pushes foreward because of priorities. There are for example touch sensitive synthesizers & they can be made pretty easily, metal foils and chemicals and a little creativity & sigils and voila

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Good thoughts there.

Didn't know about the Japan genetic engineering, but it's a step in good direction. This DNA editing is inevitable and will lead to many difficulties, both physical as well as ethical. I'm myself bothered about biological clock. Also aur teeth gets reduced over time, even if we look away from other issues.

Physical immortality is really a question worth thinking about because we are slowly heading towards it. Here I'll get controversial, but what I see when thinking about it, those who will get to this technology first will become immortal and then there is the question, how much they will be willing to share it. You can think about vampires in movies living hundreds of years, no longer really thinking about humans as equal to them, they were different species to them. I wouldn't be surprised if it became real situation in the future... provided that they will tolerate mortals to live at all... which they probably will.

So it looks like so off topic when we talk scientific immortality, but then we end with exact image of nobles that look from above on the mortal masses. Quite like modern vampires...

In the end the monetary system that uses and redirects human energy through mediums or media is a form of vampirism so to speak.
Huge topic, I guess it's basically almost but not fully decided yet. AI will determine that by large degrees & population development, some like musk speak of a drastic decline that will happen, and we'll officially peak in population in 2084 at over 10 billion people, but that might be bs.
If the population were to decline to extreme degrees through catastrophes we would for sure enter the brave new world scenario, because with a way smaller population and strong ai/robots serving as armies and all that good stuff the division in 2 different evolutions would be quasi set in stone for a while.

But i think we already have many things we can use today as mere mortals, but that may also change with different scenarios, like the 15 min cities and whole emissions thing- if that gets implemented fully the supply chains are reduced to a mostly local radius & it'll no longer be profitable to ship fast fashion - or useful life enhancing chemicals- around the globe. So yeah, i feel it's really just some years left to manifest ones position on one or the other side- especially when the money system gets a reset to energy tickets and planned economy.

But i think it's also not totally grim either, just achieving certain wealth and resources might not be possible then like it is now.

I'm always fascinated by different science fiction stories, just because they think in huge timespans and often 'form follows fiction'.

One of the oldest science fiction novels, 'Time Machine' by HG Wells written in 1895, has envisioned a humanity that was split into 2 different species through a very long time of very different living. Quasi radically thinking societal tedencies and the at the time fairly new evolution theory to the end. The time traveller travels to 802,701 AD, but I guess we could end up there faster.

But i ramble around again, we should go into more detail about vampirism and life extention i think