Demiurge, Fuck Yeah

[Mystic_friend]

Sure thing! Which part Mystic_friend? The Neolithic Star temple, or the ritual use of mythic synthesis?

about how they're not actually Saturn worshippers

 

[MorganBlack]

Well, the Demiurge is not technically Saturn. Saturn can be considered one of his faces. As can Jupiter, and the other planetary powers. I call his more "Saturnian ' Time God aspect when dealing with the demons that form the core of my GV Goetia practice. Your practice may have other mythic requirements and frameworks.

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Saturn is just the "farthest out" face in the Neoplatonic / Hermetic Chain of Manifestation cosmo-conception.

 

[Mystic_friend]

Well, the Demiurge is not technically Saturn. Saturn can be considered one of his faces. As can Jupiter, and the other planetary powers. I call his more "Saturnian ' Time God aspect when dealing with stellar Demons.

ok sure but der post was talking about how jewish people pray to der demiurge or something and i wanna be informed b4 i sperg out about how IT WUZ DA JOOOZ DEY PREY TO DER DEMIURGE DEY KILL KIDS N SHEEIT MAYNE

 

[MorganBlack]

No! I was saying DON'T use myth to override how Jewish people think of their own religion. Not cool, man.

Magicians, we find the liminal spaces between the mainstream religion and what we need to do. One thing we can do is sort of hijack their religious uh, mind-current for our own purposes and use it as a carrier signal.

But that does not we then get to 'explain" to them about their own religion.

 

[Mystic_friend]

No! I was saying DON'T use myth to override how Jewish people think of their own religion. Not cool, man.

there must be some proof to prove that these claims were myths

 

[MorganBlack]

Come on, man. This is not a thread about Judaism, and you're going off topic.

I have been told I really need to call the moderators before threads go off the rails. Please don't make me.

I will say the Demiurge can be thought of a a kind of meta-myth . For more on how myth works please read:

Karen Armstrong - A Short History of Myth (2005)

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[Mystic_friend]

Come on, man. This is not a thread about Judaism, and you're going off topic.

I have been told I really need to call the moderators before threads go off the rails. Please don't make me.

I will say the Demiurge can be thought of a a kind of meta-myth . For more on how myth works please read:

Karen Armstrong - A Short History of Myth (2005)

Book – EPUB/MOBI - Karen Armstrong - A Short History of Myth (2005)

A recent conversation here helped me remember I forgot to post this. https://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Myth-Karen-Armstrong/dp/184195716X Karen Armstrong - A Short History of Myth (2005) https://mega.nz/file/p6p23RSS#WUPG4euUEnoLGtxoRl4ar2KcMLCIYl3zBIMspcP-5zA...

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i was just asking questions sorry

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anyways look at this one i made, it's on topic i think

 

[MorganBlack]

Yep yep.
And what do we never do, folks? OK, maybe sometimes.
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[KjEno186]

 

[MorganBlack]

 

[KjEno186]

"The title of The First Book of Urizen, [...] suggests on the analogy of the 'first' and 'second' Books of Kings, Samuel, etc. that it belonged to Blake's 'Bible of Hell', promised to the world in The Marriage of Heaven and Hell. In this cosmological picture book, Blake deserts politics to depict and describe his tyrant-demon Urizen. [...] The poem itself is a sombre satire of Milton's account of the Creation; according to Blake, the Seven Days of Creation represent seven phases of the imprisonment and 'binding' of 'the caverned man' within the limitations of a world experienced only through the five senses. Urizen, thus limited, becomes the self-deluded and anxious demiurge, engaged in the 'enormous labours' of imposing his 'ratio of the five senses' on rebellious life, whose nature he has not understood. Such, according to Blake, is 'human reason', the false God of the Enlightenment, and, in France, of Rousseau and Voltaire. [...]

"In The Four Zoas (1795-1804), Milton (1804-8) and Jerusalem (1804-20), Los and Enitharmon are more fully realized, and - with Blake's progressive loss of faith in revolution - Orc, spirit of revolution, recedes into the background. Urizen, still retaining the venerable features of 'aged ignorance', becomes the Satan of Milton. He makes his last, terrible appearance as the cloven-footed false image of God, who, in the Illustrations of the Book of Job, torments Job with his pretence to being the supreme God. Throughout Blake's work, the true world-ruler is 'Jesus, the Imagination', the 'God within', whose mystical marriage with the soul is celebrated in the last plate of Jerusalem." - William Blake by Kathleen Raine (1970)

 

[morganlefay]

wow these are funny

 

[MorganBlack]

The erudite Dr. Justin Sledge at Esoterica:

What is the Demiurge in Hermetic Spirituality?

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[MorganBlack]

 

[glaive]

Can't forget the classic:

and some others....

 

[Lucid]

There is a comic on Tumblr I've seen making the rounds that paints the Demiurge in a more sympathetic light; painting the power as more of an imperfect creator rather than overly zealous troll. It's called "My Boss the Demiurge" its about all the trifles an Archon has to face while doing its work and this is one of my favorite strips of the series.

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There is a comic on Tumblr I've seen making the rounds that paints the Demiurge in a more sympathetic light; painting the power as more of an imperfect creator rather than overly zealous troll. It's called "My Boss the Demiurge" its about all the trifles an Archon has to face while doing its work and this is one of my favorite strips of the series.

Lol the image didn't attach but this is perfect for the point I was making. We're all imperfect and blaming the Gods on silly shit is just the same as blaming a child on it's own shortcomings in a way. They are powerful yes but in this case power doesn't equate wisdom or Temperance.

 

[8Lou1]

guys i had a talk with the demiurge. i found him hiding in an alley being freakishly scared. so i took him in...
he didnt want to be killed on st martin, nor on thanksgiving. so i asked x-mas?, hannukha? you know what the dude said? no i want to die on kwanzaa.

so im calling forth all kwanzanain spirits to help me with this shit and they ordered me to put it here, as you guys seem to also understand the demiurge. cronos already had to kill his kids cause stupid ass mated with hate and that vile...

thanatos tried to put him to sleep and it didnt work either, so anyone???

 

[MorganBlack]

After Leviathan , er, the Demiurge...