Discussion on Darkness

[supremecoyote]

my friend, and serious question.... Has anyone ever explained to you the concept of shadow work ?

Shadow work is the spiritual and psychological practice of facing, understanding, and integrating the parts of yourself you usually repress, deny, or fear.
It’s based on Carl Jung’s idea of the Shadow: the unconscious aspect of your personality that holds traits, emotions, or memories you’ve hidden away to “survive” or be accepted.It’s the art of turning your darkness into wisdom.

None of the notable esoteric scholars we've had in the history of forever were able to come to the revelations they did by believing that love and light is the only way to heal themselves or others, or be a proficient psychic medium. You have to seek answers to the occult, in the dark. You have to make peace with your own darkness, instead of letting it afflict and control you. Be friends with it even.

The answer is not rejecting your own darkness, or the darkness of entities that may surround you. It's called strengthening your discernment to make educated decisions while interacting with the dark, and becoming a duel sided blade while you navigate occultic philosophy.

Many of the people here in this thread have put in the work to be comfortable with their shadow side, and the shadows that work with them.

Truth be told, alot of what you would probably consider "demons" or "evil entities" really don't go out of their way to bother humans and afflict them with illness or mental health issues. This is a common misconception and stigma put on our friends on the other side. At some point you have to separate the occult from modern science and medicine. Most physical illnesses, impairments, and mental health issues come from our bodies being subjected to endure the harshness of the physical world and our own biology working against us. Even rarer is it because somebody put a curse on you, rarer than that is a "demon" attempting to harm you on its own volition.

I would never tell a disabled or chronically ill person that the reason why they're being afflicted with pain is because they're "too dark" and they need to become a "pure soul". That's nonsensical and cruel.

However a practitioner can learn how to heal themselves and others, but only by understanding that they need to use both the light and dark found within themselves to do so.

 

[MorganBlack]

Hmm. To OP, I'd say, personally I wouldn't mythologize bad behavior or bad things. It's asking for trouble.

My background as a service magician in the psychopathic business worlds required for me to get good at sorcery in daimonic wrathful working.

I also happen to cry over heartbreak, love animals, think kind people are beautiful, adore people who show mercy, work to restrain my anger, show grace, kindness, and compassion, and hate it when people feel pain or suffer. It bothers me. This "darkness". It's simply not at a thing in the universe. OK, the Void, sure. Been there. But that's just raw potential. Not a place of Supreme Evil. The real evil, we make it. When we go off balance and become the Wolf, the Pig, or the Serpent for too long we have to come back. Re-center in the normal world of fuzzy kittens, wishing one's neighbor well, ice-cream, taxes, and damn good cups of coffee.

I was just working on art pipeline and listening to this . Good stuff and I think relevant here.

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This is Lon as the Cunning Man. In terms of como-conception I am somewhere in the middle between Lon and the 100% animist magician Wilson . To me the whole argument is silly because it's limited and assumes there is only one operative level of reality. In my view,the daimons come through our upper level "Briatic" minds first before they enter into astral-etheric bodies in the sublunar, animistic worlds. Ritual is how we give them bodies.

And the spirits will reflect 50% of our personal bullshit. And yeah, Lon is right. You get your own personal manifestations. If you are an asshole they will be one too. Some school of Kimbanda say the same thing, as well as my reading of NeoPlatonism. Sorcery is bringing them down (or up, depending on the myths) to do stuff.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

This "darkness". It's simply not at a thing in the universe.

To me the whole argument is silly because it's limited and assumes there is only one operative level of reality.

And the spirits will reflect 50% of our personal bullshit. And yeah, Lon is right. You get your own personal manifestations.

For me it goes even further than only dark and light, and dark in light. I personally tend to see things in a very fractal way. Reality can be seen in tiny nuanced fractals, so you get basically fifty shades of gray. And if I choose one fractal as a lens, it is not definite. It is really possible and perfecty fine to see the same thing the one day through another fractal than the other day. That can be a light fuzzy cozy reality in the morning and a more dark way of seeing things in the afternoon. Most times that is a good thing, other times you get caught in the nuances. And that is the moment you need play the, what I call, angel or devil game. See the situation through only the love/light lens or pretend you are the devil in the situation. So a complete flip of reality.

I use that game quite often: watching the same situation through the eyes of an angel, the devil, the gnome, the princess, the witch, the wise woman, the toddler, the hero, hence even the loser. And if it is not enough I write down the same story a few times seen from all those archetypes. It is workflow that is great. It is a way of working I learned over time from Paimon. Confronting? Yeah, sure! But I don't like to be limited in my thinking, I want to break free. I guess that's why he gave me this method.

Magic is 99 percent personal bullshit. That is why I liked it from the very beginning. (so, and now I gonna need some coffee, see the light peach colored sunset and watch the crows)

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It is great to see that you are all very motivated to reply to this post.

What is very eye-opening (and in that sense very positive…) is the many reactions that are so-called; not positive!

Well, one thing is true about witches, they do have long toes and it easy to trip over them. I don not apologize for my long toes and ugly nails, but in the beginning of the discussion they were definitely present ... But, in the end, with the contributions of everyone here we got a decent conversation. Thank you guys and keep the quality posts going.

 

[Anasa]

emmm.......


The operation.I cast the spells in sunshine or night to get and move their unseen power into my body，
let it flow into my soul,blood or chakras.

BUT,bro you may not be a 《edda》 god though you try hardly in magic or Tibet magic.... XD.

The“pure soul”,i think This is someone who was estranged by people and society rules,but he/she have
quietly spirit and simple heart.He/she doesn't like city but park or wood.Leaners i have taught is simple brain always
be successful in magic than senseful brain.

 

[Sandragreendragon]

my friend, and serious question.... Has anyone ever explained to you the concept of shadow work ?

Shadow work is the spiritual and psychological practice of facing, understanding, and integrating the parts of yourself you usually repress, deny, or fear.
It’s based on Carl Jung’s idea of the Shadow: the unconscious aspect of your personality that holds traits, emotions, or memories you’ve hidden away to “survive” or be accepted.It’s the art of turning your darkness into wisdom.

None of the notable esoteric scholars we've had in the history of forever were able to come to the revelations they did by believing that love and light is the only way to heal themselves or others, or be a proficient psychic medium. You have to seek answers to the occult, in the dark. You have to make peace with your own darkness, instead of letting it afflict and control you. Be friends with it even.

The answer is not rejecting your own darkness, or the darkness of entities that may surround you. It's called strengthening your discernment to make educated decisions while interacting with the dark, and becoming a duel sided blade while you navigate occultic philosophy.

Many of the people here in this thread have put in the work to be comfortable with their shadow side, and the shadows that work with them.

Truth be told, alot of what you would probably consider "demons" or "evil entities" really don't go out of their way to bother humans and afflict them with illness or mental health issues. This is a common misconception and stigma put on our friends on the other side. At some point you have to separate the occult from modern science and medicine. Most physical illnesses, impairments, and mental health issues come from our bodies being subjected to endure the harshness of the physical world and our own biology working against us. Even rarer is it because somebody put a curse on you, rarer than that is a "demon" attempting to harm you on its own volition.

I would never tell a disabled or chronically ill person that the reason why they're being afflicted with pain is because they're "too dark" and they need to become a "pure soul". That's nonsensical and cruel.

However a practitioner can learn how to heal themselves and others, but only by understanding that they need to use both the light and dark found within themselves to do so.

 

[Morell]

my friend, and serious question.... Has anyone ever explained to you the concept of shadow work ?

Shadow work is the spiritual and psychological practice of facing, understanding, and integrating the parts of yourself you usually repress, deny, or fear.
It’s based on Carl Jung’s idea of the Shadow: the unconscious aspect of your personality that holds traits, emotions, or memories you’ve hidden away to “survive” or be accepted.It’s the art of turning your darkness into wisdom.

None of the notable esoteric scholars we've had in the history of forever were able to come to the revelations they did by believing that love and light is the only way to heal themselves or others, or be a proficient psychic medium. You have to seek answers to the occult, in the dark. You have to make peace with your own darkness, instead of letting it afflict and control you. Be friends with it even.

The answer is not rejecting your own darkness, or the darkness of entities that may surround you. It's called strengthening your discernment to make educated decisions while interacting with the dark, and becoming a duel sided blade while you navigate occultic philosophy.

Many of the people here in this thread have put in the work to be comfortable with their shadow side, and the shadows that work with them.

Truth be told, alot of what you would probably consider "demons" or "evil entities" really don't go out of their way to bother humans and afflict them with illness or mental health issues. This is a common misconception and stigma put on our friends on the other side. At some point you have to separate the occult from modern science and medicine. Most physical illnesses, impairments, and mental health issues come from our bodies being subjected to endure the harshness of the physical world and our own biology working against us. Even rarer is it because somebody put a curse on you, rarer than that is a "demon" attempting to harm you on its own volition.

I would never tell a disabled or chronically ill person that the reason why they're being afflicted with pain is because they're "too dark" and they need to become a "pure soul". That's nonsensical and cruel.

However a practitioner can learn how to heal themselves and others, but only by understanding that they need to use both the light and dark found within themselves to do so.

How could I forget to address the mention that demons are cause of sickness or mental disability? Good that you pointed it out, because that is serious stuff and in some cases, refusing to get sick person tot he doctor can be death sentence.

In fact here real evil lies in refusing the truth that is right in front of your eyes and not helping person by bringing them to the doc, while doing some light/energy work instead... or prayers like Christians do over some sick. Reminds me of those nuts who stopped giving young child her insuline and insisted on praying over her instead and ignored all that was going on, they kept praying even when she was already dead. If someone told me that they were serving evil or demons, it would be hard to deny because there the evil was quite visible for everyone else to see... And the kid died...

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Just to give a source on the case I mention: it was cult that was named Church of the Saints.

Spoiler: YT video