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Illuminates of Thanateros: General Consensus?

Kalypto

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I’ve been studying chaos magick for a while, and I’m considering joining the Illuminates of Thanateros I’ve heard mixed things about it, some call it a genuine magical order, others say it’s more of a personality cult. I’m looking for firsthand experiences or honest insight from practitioners who’ve interacted with them. What’s your take?”
 

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I'm not a member, but I know several current and ex members, mostly in the UK, so here's my take:
If you are willing to put in the work, and there will be a lot of it, they are a genuine magical order whose their training seems to work - every long-term member I've met was at least a competent magician, and most were pretty good in one or more fields.
They do - in my opinion - gate-keep pretty seriously, especially if they decide that you are lazy or an idiot, so if you consistently fail to put in the work they demand during their trial phase, you won't be offered membership.
Most of both the current and ex members I know seem to have a good opinion of the IOT, which makes it pretty unique, because the ex-members I know from every other group - the OTO in particular - do not hold such good opinions of the orders they have left.
From what I can tell, most members of the IOT have a pretty dim view of personality cults, although some ex members (Pete Carroll for example) have been accused of trying to create one. These attempts have largely failed due to charisma deficiencies among the individuals involved, and fairly ruthless piss-taking by other current and ex members of the IOT.
 

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From what I can tell, most members of the IOT have a pretty dim view of personality cults, although some ex members (Pete Carroll for example) have been accused of trying to create one. These attempts have largely failed due to charisma deficiencies among the individuals involved, and fairly ruthless piss-taking by other current and ex members of the IOT.
I may have mentioned this before, but I was sad to find, when I had some correspondence with Peter Carroll, that he was a bit of a dick. :-(
 

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I may have mentioned this before, but I was sad to find, when I had some correspondence with Peter Carroll, that he was a bit of a dick. :-(
That is disappointing and disturbing as well, I was sort of hoping to like the guy for co-founding the Chaos Current, damn!
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The membership application for the American Section
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asks a lot of questions about your exoteric, as well as your esoteric life and general questions to test your overall level of fitness. Also asks if you are willing and can travel to various meetings and events in service to the order. From the looks of it they want people who are self starters who will actively participate in the work and projects of the order. If what you include in that application meets their criteria they will contact you with further details. I'm also considering applying but want to discuss all the geographic elements before joining. It doesn't look like they play around or suffer laziness lightly, IMO!
 
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