A Dark Song (2016)

[kossax]

Hi all,

In terms of accuracy and authenticity, what is the general consensus on the film A Dark Song?

Personally, I very much enjoyed the film and I've watched it twice now. I've never seen a film that really tries to get it right like this and I very much appreciated the writer-director making a film on ritualistic magic that, at least to me, feels authentic. But as someone who is not as well versed on the subject matter, I cannot attest to its accuracy (ie. the various ritual elements). In the film they mention the ritual as being from Abramelin the mage (Qabalah) and Gnosticism, although the male character claims it is more Gnosticism than Qabalah.

What do others think about the film? Did the writer-director get it right? Where do you feel it took creative liberty too far?

 

[Jadugar]

I liked the film's approach to ritual magic, even if it strayed from the Abremelin (Chinese characters!?). You don't really see a lot of movies really committing to ritual as a story telling device, and that was enough for me to appreciate it. Although, it did have that thing a lot of explicitly occult movies have, in that it loves preening itself for the accuracy of its ritual. Which is a thing I enjoy, granted! But looking at the film as a narrative for a general audience, I feel like I gotta admit: anyone who's really enjoying all the ritual scenes are probably people who already understands its references.

I'd love a film to use their realistic, grounded approach to ritual (i.e., no special effects till spoiler) but play around with the editing more. Like, quick rapid shots between ritual objects to represent wrestling the distractable consciousness towards the intent. More musical stings. Something.

The film certainly captured what it looks like to be an occultist--but did it capture how it feels?[/spoiler]

 

[kossax]

"anyone who's really enjoying all the ritual scenes are probably people who already understands its references."

Exactly. I understood enough to know they were really going for authenticity, and in my book that was a real plus for me. I believe the chap you wrote it was also the director, so it was definitely a very personal project and I very much admire that passion. It's likely he knows a lot more on the topic but had to make difficult choices so as not to completely lose a wider audience (or more likely studio funding).

 

[Firetree]

I have been involved in discussions about this recently (elsewhere ) - I have not seen the whole film but curiously there are a few people that affirm they have done the ritual and achieved similar results .

The thing is , there does not seem much communication between the 'angel' * and the person .

* and they describe the angels like in the film, although not like a common angel , but having breastplates , swords and a type of military look about them .



which is nothing like my expereince at all .... but I never did the ritual like they did or how the ritual is written ;

that ritual is very strange and needs its own threads to explore it , outside of this film .

 

[Kepler]

In the general sense of magical work:

The flawed qualities of the characters captured the inherent desperation and motivation of those that seek occult solutions to mundane personal problems.

The mother's love leading to perseverance and success after ordeals that shed impure desires leading to a higher calling.

Strange and frightening potential omens that could be or may not be connected rationally as the ceremony began added to authenticity.

 

[stellarjourneyman]

I mean, the very premise is not particularly accurate (you wouldn't do the ritual with anyone else, ever, that's not the point, the point is a line of communication opened between you and your Angel). And the sections dealing with the leadup to the demon-summoning are not particularly tense or "testlike" in the text. You aren't being beset by demons, you're being an ascetic--the demons only come after your relationship with the HGA is secured and you are safe (provided you adhere to the HGA's instructions).

So not accurate, but a good movie, and it gets some of the spirit of the ritual right.

 

[kossax]

Strange and frightening potential omens that could be or may not be connected rationally as the ceremony began added to authenticity.

Thats a really interesting observation!

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you wouldn't do the ritual with anyone else, ever,

The story in the film made it sound impossible to complete the ritual without a second person, but I don't know much about the mechanics of it in all honesty. What is the ritual called and what magic system were they working from? The male character mentioned Abramelin?

the demons only come after your relationship with the HGA is secured and you are safe (provided you adhere to the HGA's instructions).

why do they come after? if you're already safe why would they want to? Either way, must be fairly terrifying.