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[Help] A Riddle at the Cross Roads of Witchcraft, Demonology, & Hypnosis

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Greetings greetings,

I recently came across someone who's energy signature was very unique to me. It had a softness that I had pretty much never seen to the levels I was observing/sensing/feeling. I collected a few data points that I could as to what they had undergone, and am attempting to tune in intellectually as to the origins or any adjacent combination of directions I might be able to explore to emulate a simulacrum of what created the signature I could feel from them.

Here's a list of what I was able to draw out from them as to the experience they had and it's context. (The "riddle" I'm solving)

  • In the UK, late 80’s and early 90’s
  • "London, Euston Station" would be a location point, but this operation was done in a private residence.
  • It started with hypnosis, specifically including a regression
  • The incantation part started with "Hail Shaitan"
  • Followed by, what the person I talked to now knows was a version of the witch's prayer/chant: "Eko eko Azarak..."
  • The incantation had Latin or Latin adjacent words

This is where we start to touch the actual ground as to more specific clues:

  • The Practitioner went by the name Mrs. Silk
  • To keep this as PG-16 as possible while still giving info, she seems to be specifically notable in the "Sissification" community during the mentioned time frame.

The part I am trying to figure out is if a specific entity was evoked, as the operation and nature of the result was so sharpened to it's point so to speak, I have to track it down, or if something like ego-magick was used to create or evoke an entirely new or hidden consciousness and constructed with iteration. (which also lasted unaltered and able to be clearly sensed all these years later.)
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Where I am at:
My mind points to practices that may be from "The Illuminates of Thanateros" but I still need to look into them.



Extra Points of Info:
- I energetically observed 3 points or modes of consciousness quite distinct from each other, whether that of spirits/demon around them or kin to that of distinct identity/behavior structures. The line blurs for one of them. A regular male identity, the extremely soft one that had a near perfect/level surface to it, and an authoritative one with a equally near perfect surface as to how it was able to apply a cognitive pressure until I personified them. (The I assume "Mrs. Silk" in them.)

- At the time of original sensing and in the intention of anchoring a reference for the energy and is presented for the divinatory, I drew down this phrase:
(Please note it may be charged and to ward yourself)
"Valath Drammoon Valany- ksss..."

Please remain respectful, non-malicious, and on the topic of the magick theory behind the subject.
Any help, insight, hypothesis, potential connection, or points of explorable reference related too, would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much and have a good one.
 

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Okay first I'd like to commend you for your outstanding ability to heap word upon word without communicating meaningful information. It is indeed truly a notable and worthy skill. /j

Let me summarize the question, just so I understand correctly...?

  • you met someone whose "energy signature" was "soft" (whatever that's supposed to mean... like good soft or bad soft?)
  • the person was hypnotized in a ritual with some bonus demonolatry in the 80s or 90s London by a dominatrix
  • there's some connection with the IOT
  • you can feel three minds on / in this person

(what a royal mess, lol)
Here's what I can contribute:

  • the IOT is the Dropkick Murphys to the OTO's Beatles... they don't much do standard operating procedures or trad rituals there...
  • the early IOT is exactly the sort of place I'd imagine a dominatrix doubling as a brain witch / demonolatrix would hang out and cook up egregoric plans to subvert the patriarchy, or something similar
  • hypnosis is a pretty good entry to mind magic... if you consent to have weird shit done to you under the pressure of sexual desire, well... it can be instrumentalized
  • not sure what you mean by "perfect surface" but just going by right brain gut feel, it could mean these are artificial personalities

fun investigation but now i'm curious to know more about what's actually going on... So.. come on, cards on the table, what's the question you're investigating and why is it important?
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Okay first I'd like to commend you for your outstanding ability to heap word upon word without communicating meaningful information. It is indeed truly a notable and worthy skill. /j

Let me summarize the question, just so I understand correctly...?

  • you met someone whose "energy signature" was "soft" (whatever that's supposed to mean... like good soft or bad soft?)
  • the person was hypnotized in a ritual with some bonus demonolatry in the 80s or 90s London by a dominatrix
  • there's some connection with the IOT
  • you can feel three minds on / in this person

(what a royal mess, lol)
Here's what I can contribute:

  • the IOT is the Dropkick Murphys to the OTO's Beatles... they don't much do standard operating procedures or trad rituals there...
  • the early IOT is exactly the sort of place I'd imagine a dominatrix doubling as a brain witch / demonolatrix would hang out and cook up egregoric plans to subvert the patriarchy, or something similar
  • hypnosis is a pretty good entry to mind magic... if you consent to have weird shit done to you under the pressure of sexual desire, well... it can be instrumentalized
  • not sure what you mean by "perfect surface" but just going by right brain gut feel, it could mean these are artificial personalities

fun investigation but now i'm curious to know more about what's actually going on... So.. come on, cards on the table, what's the question you're investigating and why is it important?
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I feel like there is a practicality in specificity of word-use. I dont mean to clutter, I mean to retain detail. Well except for the word "simulacrum" that was a last min word swap, I hear you there. but yeah emulation and deconstruction of process is my goal.

Thank you for putting the post into summary w/bullet points, and to confirm, yes, yes, yes, and yes. /sincere all the way through

Brain witch is a fun word
She was not a dominatrix from what I understand, but duely noted on the "demonolatrix" as well.
  • It feels like something deeper then an egregore, though I may not see a truer depth to egregore... it just feels deeper/older.
  • Yeah the mix of hypnosis and incantation is wonderful. I will def have to pour a bucket of Sagittarian energy on that at some point
  • Yes! that gut feel is like what my words try to articulate, and absolutely on the artificial nature of it. What I mean to say with "perfect surface" is that it is as still as a glass lake, undisturbed to a degree I have not seen anywhere, and the softness was so light in sensation it barely had presence.

I feel a lot of people's energies and operate notably through reaching out astrally and interacting with said feilds. Practiced energy vampires will know what I mean when I say, most people have observable, able to be sensed, qualities to their consciousness(es)/ or i guess the energy bodies of said consciousness(es). Usually energies interact with similar properties to that of how the qualities kinetically interact socially. (not being wordy here, kinetically, meaning having a causal property, Interact socially, in this context, -> a container for "the social inertia of a "qualia" pertinent to the motion it has within the context of the interacting zeitgeists. but that is a bit of a mouth full... you jerk! /hj )


As for cards on the table, the greater context is the nature of energies, and unlocking a greater ability to articulate with them. Me and my practice are only so deep, and to hear a story, sense an energy, and know how unusual it is, is a dish on a silver plater. It would be silly of me not to investigate and try to draw it in. That's layers of process and well insight I don't know.

I was given suggestion to read Liber Null & Psychonaut to explore the IOT, so i suppose that is my next lead. Thank you btw
 

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Haha I'm a bit of a right-hand-path troll, hail Eris and all that. Don't take the snark too seriously. These kinds of investigations bring me back to some of the most fun occult group projects I've been part of long ago... Thanks for bringing it to the table.

If you want to know what the IOT was about, Carroll's books are probably not where I'd start. He was a founder of IOT and a core thinker of the Chaote movement, but I feel his school is merely one side of the larger current. The IOT was created with the specific goal to be a "punk" occult order, where dogmatism is replaced with a spirit of experimentation and focus on effectiveness over doctrine, so it's by design extremely heterogeneous.

Carroll's thought current is cold and hard, it's a comparatively rigorous version of quantum woo, weird economics-smelling equations and the idea that "magic is just rebel physics", plus importing Austin Osman Spare's technology of sigil magic. It's not only "not the whole story", but arguably misleading in what the "whole story" actually is. Dionysian is the farthest thing from what I'd associate with Carroll, but Chaotism is a deeply and powerfully Dionysian current.

The closest thing I've seen to a glimpse at the "whole story" is the comic book grimoire "Psychonaut Field Manual" by Archtraitor Bluefluke, the Anarchist writings of Hakim Bey about the Temporary Autonomous Zone, and the batshit crazy novel known as the Illuminatus! trilogy.

It feels like something deeper then an egregore, though I may not see a truer depth to egregore... it just feels deeper/older.

I have some thoughts but they are kinda unformed at this point... There's definitely some ancient currents around, and from what I hear, and again it feels more Dionysian than "demonic" in a traditional sense, with the transformation aspect, possible second-wave anarchofeminist vibes, and all that.

I've been meaning to post some of my own works in the book share, there might be some hints you could gather, as I've been working in the Chaote movement, the wider Dionysian-Anarchic current, and the field of hypnosis as well... :) I haven't been in the IOT proper, but have been initiated in groups that could be considered tendrils of the same flow.
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here's Bluefluke's Psychonaut Field Manual shared on WF: https://wizardforums.com/threads/bluefluke-psychonaut-field-manual.10651/
my weird little booklet on Chaos magic and Anarchism: https://wizardforums.com/threads/my-visionary-grimoiric-pamphlet-excerpts-behind-enemy-lines.25560/
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also another work of mine that feels could be relevant to you: https://wizardforums.com/threads/my-booklet-egregoric-hypnosis.25571/
 
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Haha I'm a bit of a right-hand-path troll, hail Eris and all that. Don't take the snark too seriously. These kinds of investigations bring me back to some of the most fun occult group projects I've been part of long ago... Thanks for bringing it to the table.

If you want to know what the IOT was about, Carroll's books are probably not where I'd start. He was a founder of IOT and a core thinker of the Chaote movement, but I feel his school is merely one side of the larger current. The IOT was created with the specific goal to be a "punk" occult order, where dogmatism is replaced with a spirit of experimentation and focus on effectiveness over doctrine, so it's by design extremely heterogeneous.

Carroll's thought current is cold and hard, it's a comparatively rigorous version of quantum woo, weird economics-smelling equations and the idea that "magic is just rebel physics", plus importing Austin Osman Spare's technology of sigil magic. It's not only "not the whole story", but arguably misleading in what the "whole story" actually is. Dionysian is the farthest thing from what I'd associate with Carroll, but Chaotism is a deeply and powerfully Dionysian current.

The closest thing I've seen to a glimpse at the "whole story" is the comic book grimoire "Psychonaut Field Manual" by Archtraitor Bluefluke, the Anarchist writings of Hakim Bey about the Temporary Autonomous Zone, and the batshit crazy novel known as the Illuminatus! trilogy.



I have some thoughts but they are kinda unformed at this point... There's definitely some ancient currents around, and from what I hear, and again it feels more Dionysian than "demonic" in a traditional sense, with the transformation aspect, possible second-wave anarchofeminist vibes, and all that.

I've been meaning to post some of my own works in the book share, there might be some hints you could gather, as I've been working in the Chaote movement, the wider Dionysian-Anarchic current, and the field of hypnosis as well... :) I haven't been in the IOT proper, but have been initiated in groups that could be considered tendrils of the same flow.
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here's Bluefluke's Psychonaut Field Manual shared on WF: https://wizardforums.com/threads/bluefluke-psychonaut-field-manual.10651/
my weird little booklet on Chaos magic and Anarchism: https://wizardforums.com/threads/my-visionary-grimoiric-pamphlet-excerpts-behind-enemy-lines.25560/
Post automatically merged:

also another work of mine that feels could be relevant to you: https://wizardforums.com/threads/my-booklet-egregoric-hypnosis.25571/

Ee! wow! <33 Thank you so much! That is a lotta lot to look into! >w< Mm- and the cadence is so smooth and words so deliciously clicky it's like it's straight out of Cyberpunk in-world speech, love it. Okay please excuse me, I will get working on digesting this and hopefully make something colorful.
Thanks again & See you around
 
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