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Shamanism is humanities oldest belief system, going back to Hunter-Gatherer days.
Every tribe or village had one strange man or woman, who's hut... and life... were off on the edge.
Eating strange things, talking to empty air... but they knew things. Things no one else knew.
Was this knowledge from spirits or the ancestors or thanks to an outsider's perspective?
... when someone was sick, something the tribe's wise women had no lore for... they were called.
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Thank you! These videos are so helpful because the way I get information is just odd. Its like the wind told me. There's no source the wind just told me you know. I just sense it? But it might not entirely true because my perceptions of the world is also limited.

Also why I want to preface in that I think through my understanding Shamans are like the therotical physicists of the spirit world. Therotical physicists job is to just come up with ideas, theories, hypothesis. Sometimes they expirement since there still a physicist but a lot of the time its just hypothesis.

Expiremental physicists are the ones that test these hypothesis and sometimes they make hypothesis but thats not their job. And expirmenting with physics do pose risk I think the same can be said for magic. Taking precautions and making sure things are safe when expirmenting is a good practice I think.

I personally don't have as much time to expiremnt with magic but I can say what the as they say the wind told me. I feel like hiding what the wind told me is not good because these insights seem pretty good. Not all the way good because constantly learning but if people want to know what the wind told me then I gotta say it.

But I want to responsible when saying this and that if anyone takes my total word for it don't. Take precautions. Safety first.

Also dreams I have a lot of weird imagery in dreams and theres no real source for it beside my own dreams. So yeah

Thanks again for making this thread and those videos put into words what I was kind of feeling.
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I'm also lacking in materials or space so I feel like and reccomend safety first. Like in a lab when you wear safety glasses because of the expirement potentially being dangerous.
 

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Yes, any new frontier carries risks, that must be managed and hopefully mitigated. However, sometimes these risks are unknowns.
Just think about Marie Curie or Apollo 13. Yet, as my fav TV show of all time said... to boldly go where no one has gone before...
 

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I'm currently enjoying the concept of archetypal shamanism. The "shaman" or medicine carrier for the tribe or community arises across all cultures regardless of ethnicity based on the needs or illness of said culture.

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@SkullTraill Hopefully this video doesn't violate the forum rules. I rewatched it after I posted it and towards the end of the video the speaker does plug his offerings.
 
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@SkullTraill Hopefully this video doesn't violate the forum rules. I rewatched it after I posted it and towards the end of the video the speaker does plug his offerings.
A lot of YT vids have sponsor segments in them, where something is being plugged. (I don't think ad blockers can do anything about that.)
If that's against the rules, then probably most YT vids would not be allowed.
 

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A lot of YT vids have sponsor segments in them, where something is being plugged. (I don't think ad blockers can do anything about that.)
If that's against the rules, then probably most YT vids would not be allowed.
There are addons that automatically skip sponsor segments...
 

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While you can study about Shamanism and use some of its techniques, unfortunately that won't make you a Shaman. Shamanism is the practice of Animism for a tribe who are Animists, who have accepted you as a conductor of the spirits - it's a full time Profession that's for a community, usually indigenous, and it means you have to be accepted as a student of a practicing Shaman, and be nothing else!

Shamanism is the personal experience with the spirits, and a Shaman is the mediator between the self and the divine - which is everything. The Shamanic techniques were developed to alleviate Spiritual Emergencies within a clan or someone's life. When these emergencies happen to someone destined to become one's life, there is often a death and rebirth experience. Shamans are often healers, and the seek out help in the other world by often ancient trance techniques and bring back answers to a patient or a community. To bring back these answers they may spiritually travel to the lower or the upper world, into the past or the future and other odd spaces. They exorcize harmful influences they believe cause disease. The spiritual disease that allowed the viruses and germs to gain a beachhead in one's body to begin with. These techniques are not exclusively Native American, or Siberian -- they've been known for several millennia by most of the Peoples of the World - part of the spiritual technology most religions and cultures share - including most of Pre-Christian European cultures. Most of these techniques aren't dangerous, are very easy to use, and they work just as well as some of the more extreme techniques, such as taking certain drugs.

The old Druid technique for creating a true Bard, for instance, amounts to sensory deprivation for weeks at a time in a dark cave; The old Druid technique for ecstatic trance involves being swaddled in a bull's hide and ingesting noxious substances -- there are better ways... With techniques that can either kill or cure you: 'youse pays yer dough and ya' takes yer chances' - desperation need not be that desperate anymore. These things are fascinating to read about, but like a tiger's beauty - it's best appreciated from a distance (hopefully with barbed wire enhanced concrete moats in between) Of course, "we" (those who have medical insurance) now have Medical Doctor and HMOs who glom most of the healing work that's done these days - "Can you say MONE-OP-POE-LEE, boys and girls..??"

The truth is, relatively few people, then or now, want to take the time to work with trance techniques, or take journeys to other less ordinary realms - the boss is on your case, the mortgage is due, the other bills pile up, and the Ordinary Grind of Mundanity slowly takes its toll. But the general grind of Mundanity, which is safe but often terribly boring, can't protect one from the Spiritual World forever -- it's better to have the knowledge to light a candle than to hide in the darkness.

In most non-Western places, Shamans are valued professionals, and though their work is subjective, it's probably more effective than psychoanalysis, psychology, and psychiatry -- and its results are surprisingly similar across the many cultures that still practice it.

$HAMani$m vs. Shamanism

Carlos Castaneda brought the mystique of Shamanism and Sorcery to the 60's counter culture; while Michael Harmer bought back some of the techniques of the Shamans he worked with in native cultures. Shamanism usually doesn't stand by itself, again, it's usually grounded in an Animist culture that supports it. That's why the New Age Movement's "SHAM-manism often rings false - it's more of a sham than not! The New Age habits of wrecking the cultures, and stealing the lifestyles, beliefs, and spirit to repackage them for trendy upscale wannabe buyers at outrageous prices; pretending to be an initiate of an "Native American" Tradition, then stealing their art, music and culture and copyrighting them as original works is something the New Age "culture" showd little or no shame over. "Missionary work", vandalism, and desecration of holy sites, and raping the Earth for crystals is just business as usual for the spiritual entrepreneur. The New Age Movement was/is infamous for "borrowing" the spiritual techniques of others, stripping them of their context so they can be mass merchandised as fads, novelties and entertainment for big bucks. The American version of Western Culture is decadent and sick, and it'll exploit anything and anyone if it can make a buck off of it. It's a shame that most of the New Age Movement was/is the same way. These Shamanic techniques aren't that hard to find, they're readily available - it only takes some research time! $ave paying the fancy $$$$$s and do it yourself!! And remember -- Caveat Emptor!

[[The New Age is all but defunct now But many of their ideas are still with us]]
 

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DCWilson,
As an American Indigenous Medicineworker (Cheyenne and Blackfeet heritage), I have to say, you hit it on the mark.
And you're very right about the New Age's packratting others' traditions after culturally and spiritually stripmining Indigenous cultures.

Being a 'shaman' in the Indigenous way, well, one is born to it, or suffers a trauma so profound it counts as a death-and-rebirth ordeal, effectively. The new initiate has effectively died to their old life and self, opening the Good Red Road to them. (And most of us born to it suffer disabilities, which are our own, lifelong ordeals, in effect.) They are free to refuse the call, of course, but I couldn't imagine doing so, myself. The Gods, Guides and Ancestors of my people filled a nameless longing in my soul I had felt lifelong, without ever having a name to put to the need.

'You die, beloved. Would you be reborn?' sounds very mystical, and it is. Its also terrifying, even when spoken by one's divine beloved. Death isn't often a soothing or comfortable experience, even a death of the ego, rather than the flesh, after all. And this is the crux of initiation. Past the fear is the rapture, though, visionary ecstasies that must be experienced to be understood. There are no words to encompass the joy of union of the medicineworker with the spirits.

Things outside the fields they know freak the average person the heck out, and so do those who become one with those Mysteries. A bride or bridegroom of Mystery is at one with their divine lovers, and those not on the Road tend to find this unnerving.. To an extent, the path of the shaman entails acceptance of this, of becoming a sort of 'sacred monster' to the tribe, to serve the tribe. Being set apart is just part of the duty, and the price. Its worth paying, in my opinion.
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I was very lucky that my father (a Medicineworker himself) was willing to train me.
While the spirits alone could, I think, fully train someone, the strain on the mind would be considerable.
One's teacher serves to help keep the student safer, and as a guide not only to the teachings, but to safer practice in the face of immense temptation.
 
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