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Accurate Hecate Statue from Eusebius?

tyson9_H

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Hello everyone! Has anyone Tried this?🧐
These days i was reading some books, and i found cited, also by Sorita D'este Liminal rites, a line from Eusebius De Praeparatio Evangelica Book V Cap. XII (quoting Porphiry) about the possible image and statue of Hekate:

"My image purify, as I shall show:
Of wild rue form the frame, and deck it o'er
With lizards such as run about the house;
These mix with resin, myrrh, and frankincense,
Pound all together in the open air
Under the crescent moon, and add this vow.

'Then she set forth the vow, and showed how many lizards must be taken:

Take lizards many as my many forms,
And do all this with care. My spacious house
With branches of self-planted laurel form.
Then to my image offer many a prayer,
And in thy sleep thou shalt behold me nigh.

'And again in another place she described an image of herself of this same kind.' "

So from what i understood, you are supposed to make an image of Hecate from a Wild Rue root and anointing with a mix of frankincense, myrrh, already died lizards, and resin (possibly benzoine i think). Maybe if not anointing i think also making the statue hollow and filling it with ingredients could be possible also. Also you are sopposed to make a laurel wood shrine around the statue? Additionally it's vague here what type of prayer needs to be said.
The same line is written in the Chaldean Oracles translation by Majercik in the Doubtful Fragments 224*.


On Sorita D'este is quoted From The book of Witches a possible prayer after that part of the ritual is done and here it's also suggested to anoint the statue and not filling it in an hollow chamber with the above stated mixture.

I was courious of producing an historically accurate statue of Hekate this way, if anyone have already tried this and have some Insites on the procedure. Any insight about the construction of the Rue statue and the Laurel shrine and most importantly the prayer needed for consacration ? Maybe taking ispiration from PGM spells... from what i understood the making of a Symbola of the goddess, is a key step in the chaldean Oracles.

Also for me it could be a better understanding if the text since english is my second language, maybe i misunderstood something. I wanted to try the whole procedure and ritual and. Thank you very much and sorry for the long read!🙏
 

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Would love to hear an update if you try. I poked around a Hekate facebook group I'm in and didn't see any reports of someone having gone through the process.

For the consecration prayer-- I would go with PGM as well, probably PGM IV.2785-2890.

And just curious, do you have house lizards in your area? :) I'm a bit further northwards than the authors of those quotes...I just have spiders and various small bugs.
 

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I would go with PGM as well, probably PGM IV.2785-2890
Good call. There's a bit of decent info here:
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Might want to consult with Hekate to see if she wold accept consulting a good local "herpetologist" about the lizards? She may persist / insist on Mediterranean / Greek "house" lizards though, in which case there's always the Internet! Sometimes using "what you have" is good enough! 🤘
 
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Would love to hear an update if you try. I poked around a Hekate facebook group I'm in and didn't see any reports of someone having gone through the process.

For the consecration prayer-- I would go with PGM as well, probably PGM IV.2785-2890.

And just curious, do you have house lizards in your area? :) I'm a bit further northwards than the authors of those quotes...I just have spiders and various small bugs.
Good call. There's a bit of decent info here:
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Might want to consult with Hekate to see if she wold accept consulting a good local "herpetologist" about the lizards? She may persist / insist on Mediterranean / Greek "house" lizards though, in which case there's always the Internet! Sometimes using "what you have" is good enough! 🤘
i Was originally trying to find an accurate method to make a symbola of hekate and being in Italy, we have mediterrean climate so i always find dead lizards around. So once i've read that passage from Eusebius it sparked the idea to try that. Also wild rue is findable around here.

As you said i've too considered PGM IV.2785-2890 Prayer to Selene as a consacration prayer, since it's still "theme" accurate involving Selene/Hekate and a good general powerfull prayer all around.

Digging in the PGM i've also found some alternatives, mainly the Lunar Spell of Claudianus PGM VII. 862-918, and the Opening of the mouth Ritual PGM XII.270-350. If i had to choose I'm mainly interested to the first though, since it's lunar focused and generally more similar to what Eusebius wrote and in my opinion more similar to what is said in the Chaldean Oracles.

Difference and similarity of PGM VII. 862-918 and Eusebius' Passage
- What i found interesting is the similarity with the shaping of the stuatue made of wild Rue from Eusebius, and from the Claudianus spell from a mixture of Clay, sulfur, and blood of a dabbled Goat (i've read around it's possible to substitute it with a mix of cow and goat milk and salt). Maybe because of the dabbled being more muscolar than normal goats, so it adds cow to add the muscle component to it, but that's my speculation. (I will add in the end some interesting link where it discusses the whole Claudianus procedure)

- Another similarity is the Frame of the shrine made of wood:
from laurel in the Eusebius, interesting because the plant it's usually seen solar
and from Olive wood, generally more lunar.

-Both Don't include the consacration spell. In the Claudianus is said:
Take clay from a potter's wheel and mix a mixture with sulfur, and add blood of a dappled goat and mold an image of Mistress Selene the Egyptian,'" as shown below, making her in the form of the Universe. And make a shrine of olive wood and do not let it face the sun at all.
And after dedicating it with the ritual that works for everything, put it away, and thus it will be dedicated in advance.
And anoint it also with lunar ointment and wreathe it.


As we can see it alsotells us to use a ritual that does everything, i think here we can use the Selene's Prayer PGM IV.2785-2890 to complete the job. I think we can also use PGM IV.2244—2358 (“Document to the waning moon”) to stay in the Theme or also PGM IV.1275-1322 (“Bear charm which accomplishes everything”) or PGM IV.1596-1715 (“Consecration for all purposes”, a.k.a. (Consecration of the Twelve Faces of Hēlios).
In my hopinion the best one is still the prayer to Selene.

There are also other interesting stuff in the spell of Claudianus like the lunar ointment, the statue turning Red (i think because it gets heated, similar as the epifany of Hecate mentioned in the Chaldean oracles as being of fire) and the use of a stropholos, spinning top, for the spell.

Anyway i wll try to do my research, and if you are interested i will post what i found/done.

Here's some interesting link, beside Stephen Skinner Techniques of Greek-Egyptian magick i used:
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( i think it would be good to also investigate this procedure)
 

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Anyway i wll try to do my research, and if you are interested i will post what i found/done.
Sure I'd be interested in hearing what you discover. What I've seen is that sometimes it can take weeks or months for interested folks to "stumble" on a post and respond to it, so I think you will see others read your OP and would like to follow your results too. Sometimes it's frustrating but it seems to work like that. Both Hekate and the PGM (and related subjects) have interested folks here.

Meanwhile here's something that might interest and help you with the statue, this is about "animating and ensouling" statures and figures!

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( i think it would be good to also investigate this procedure)
Thanks for the link! Sam Block's blog is Awesome. I've been wrapping my head around his stuff for quite a while now.
Can't recommend it too highly! ;)
 
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Sure I'd be interested in hearing what you discover. What I've seen is that sometimes it can take weeks or months for interested folks to "stumble" on a post and respond to it, so I think you will see others read your OP and would like to follow your results too. Sometimes it's frustrating but it seems to work like that. Both Hekate and the PGM (and related subjects) have interested folks here.

Meanwhile here's something that might interest and help you with the statue, this is about "animating and ensouling" statures and figures!

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Thanks for the link! Sam Block's blog is Awesome. I've been wrapping my head around his stuff for quite a while now.
Can't recommend it too highly! ;)

Thanks for the support! I'm new to the occult and i always try to inform myself the best i can before doing something.

Yes that site is awesome. I was trying to concile multiple sources into practice, and his sites for sure help! I wanted to reach out to him also to ask some stuff.

Also thanks for the book i will check it out, i always love some books, the more the better!

I think my next step is trying to do this rite. And also for the Hekate folks maybe using the second link i send in the previous message to make an adapted rite for the PGM using the goddess. At least it would be something for my practice but maybe someone will be interested.

I always find hekate and PGM content but rarely some posts about the conjuction of the two into some type of practice.
Thanks again!😉
 

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Yes that site is awesome. I was trying to concile multiple sources into practice, and his sites for sure help! I wanted to reach out to him also to ask some stuff.
I have and he was super cool and extremely upbeat! I signed up for his email updates, they're not real frequent, but if he Posts it, I Want to Know about it!

I think my next step is trying to do this rite

Great Idea!
As has been said time and time again by everyone I know and respect that "Practices Magic/k", "Study is Important", but if you don't actually "Practice" (Put the Study Into Practice) how can you call yourself a Magician, Wizard, Witch, Sorcerer, et al? The Magic/k is in the Doing!
All "Real Insights" are the result of Doing the Work, IMO! :cool:
 

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I have and he was super cool and extremely upbeat! I signed up for his email updates, they're not real frequent, but if he Posts it, I Want to Know about it!



Great Idea!
As has been said time and time again by everyone I know and respect that "Practices Magic/k", "Study is Important", but if you don't actually "Practice" (Put the Study Into Practice) how can you call yourself a Magician, Wizard, Witch, Sorcerer, et al? The Magic/k is in the Doing!
All "Real Insights" are the result of Doing the Work, IMO! :cool:
My friend don't worry, im a chemist so i like to overthink sometime, but im surely not a armchair magician🤣👍
 

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My friend don't worry, im a chemist so i like to overthink sometime, but im surely not a armchair magician
Nope, didn't seem like it to me either. Simply bringing up the topic in your OP is a beyond "armchair" point for me, There's been lots of back and forth opinion from time to time here about "study vs. practice" ad nauseum. The real gist of it all, at least for me is that a balance of "Both" will get you where you want to go! I'll be following any progress with much interest! 🤘
 
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