Achieving nirvana/enlightenment while keeping my personality?

[whome]

mask off, fuck it mask off

Gently does it. Let's not frighten the natives too much

 

[Voidking]

Wait, so do I stop being attached to my personality or do I lose my personality completely then? I like to think that we are all already a united part of an "ocean" of energy, and each one of us is a unique droplet in it. Doesnt a human being already at birth regardless of what they might think of themselves in the future and regardless of what others will think of them and regardless of how society will shape them already has certain qualities and attributes that are and will be unique only to them. Cats, dogs, lions etc have different personalities too or maybe personality is not the correct term Im using? Sure life is filled with suffering, but what about love? My love for my friends, family, art, all the joy and laughter I experienced regardless of all the childhood trauma and suffering I went trough, isnt there beauty in all that and wouldnt that be some sort of "balance" and "harmony" in the universe if there is any? Why avoid it altogether simply to stop suffering? Why would I want to become one with the entire universe when universe also includes pedophiles, mass murderers etc... Im curious about your opinions, Im not a native english speaker so I dont want to sound like Im arguing or disagreeing, I just want to learn.

This will depend on the nature of the path, gradual paths such as Tantric Hatha Yoga, the eight-limbed Raja Yoga of Patanjali, the Eight Jhana of the buddha Shakyamuni, Vajrayana Buddhismt, Mahayana Buddhism, Hermetic Alchemy, some upayas from Kashmir Saivism, Tantra, you name it... all of these are a kind of alchemical transmutation in which you purify your consciousness and realise Nirvana-Moksha-Kaivalya... You will transform yourself in a more purified state, you'll remove your aversions and desires and your personality will be refined, more virtuous, more peaceful etc.

In the direct paths of jnana & self inquiry, zen buddhism, Mahamudra and Dzogchen will try to pierce through the illusion and realise the true nature of the mind. This path is more sudden-like type of realisation like Satori, in which you reach moksha without really being purified (so few are the peope who are ripe for this path), in other words, you can have a jnani or an indian saddhus who is a jerk but enlightened, because enlightenment is not about being a saint, but realising the self is an illusion, their personalities is the play of the three gunas (tamas-rajas-sattva).

In both paths you'll disidentify from your personality, you'll see through the illusion, you'll see how your personality is just a bundle of thoughts that you identify with, you can still keep-use your mind-personality, you still have your memories, your expriences, your knowledge, but now you are not attached to them, you are not alanford but you still can play the character alanford.

The life of an enlighetened being is full of joy and suffering too, he just do not identify with them, for him, suffering there is, no sufferer, sounds there are, no hearer... there is awareness of the experience fully in the her and now, the enlightened being experiences the world fully as it is, in the most erotic level you can imagine. We are living in a psychological world, we never exeprience but our thoughts and feelings/sensations, the enlightened being lives on a soul-eros level, have better sex, enjoys better food, can simply enjoy looking at the magnificence of a tree or a moutain or a river and experiencing it on its own ground, in emptiness. The enlightened being does not avoid suffering and joy, but he fully welcomes it in total surrender, while we resist and fight (psychologically). Enlightenment is the dropping of resistsnce, is the end of suffering, is the end of desire, the end of seeking and the seeker, its to finally accept things as they are without striving to change and exert your control, remember we are talking in the psychological world.

You can still pursue the tantric paths/hermetic-alchemical/magical paths, you can pursue Aghora, Saturnine alchemy, Qlippoth, Tantric Hatha Yoga, they will lead you there if you know how to practice, It is all about removing desires and aversions, chose the path-system that seems most natural to you.

 

[alanford]

This will depend on the nature of the path, gradual paths such as Tantric Hatha Yoga, the eight-limbed Raja Yoga of Patanjali, the Eight Jhana of the buddha Shakyamuni, Vajrayana Buddhismt, Mahayana Buddhism, Hermetic Alchemy, some upayas from Kashmir Saivism, Tantra, you name it... all of these are a kind of alchemical transmutation in which you purify your consciousness and realise Nirvana-Moksha-Kaivalya... You will transform yourself in a more purified state, you'll remove your aversions and desires and your personality will be refined, more virtuous, more peaceful etc.

In the direct paths of jnana & self inquiry, zen buddhism, Mahamudra and Dzogchen will try to pierce through the illusion and realise the true nature of the mind. This path is more sudden-like type of realisation like Satori, in which you reach moksha without really being purified (so few are the peope who are ripe for this path), in other words, you can have a jnani or an indian saddhus who is a jerk but enlightened, because enlightenment is not about being a saint, but realising the self is an illusion, their personalities is the play of the three gunas (tamas-rajas-sattva).

In both paths you'll disidentify from your personality, you'll see through the illusion, you'll see how your personality is just a bundle of thoughts that you identify with, you can still keep-use your mind-personality, you still have your memories, your expriences, your knowledge, but now you are not attached to them, you are not alanford but you still can play the character alanford.

The life of an enlighetened being is full of joy and suffering too, he just do not identify with them, for him, suffering there is, no sufferer, sounds there are, no hearer... there is awareness of the experience fully in the her and now, the enlightened being experiences the world fully as it is, in the most erotic level you can imagine. We are living in a psychological world, we never exeprience but our thoughts and feelings/sensations, the enlightened being lives on a soul-eros level, have better sex, enjoys better food, can simply enjoy looking at the magnificence of a tree or a moutain or a river and experiencing it on its own ground, in emptiness. The enlightened being does not avoid suffering and joy, but he fully welcomes it in total surrender, while we resist and fight (psychologically). Enlightenment is the dropping of resistsnce, is the end of suffering, is the end of desire, the end of seeking and the seeker, its to finally accept things as they are without striving to change and exert your control, remember we are talking in the psychological world.

You can still pursue the tantric paths/hermetic-alchemical/magical paths, you can pursue Aghora, Saturnine alchemy, Qlippoth, Tantric Hatha Yoga, they will lead you there if you know how to practice, It is all about removing desires and aversions, chose the path-system that seems most natural to you.

That made a lot of sense, I like that philosophy. I already have very few desires, mostly spiritual growth and I embrace both pleasure and suffering as it comes, rarely resisting the natural flow of things. But I still need to have certain desires to simply remain alive, I want the desire to get up for work on Monday, otherwise I will starve. I also want to go out with friends today, because I love them and sometimes I like to read alan ford comics because Its entertaining and nostalgic-but then again I do not have to be attached to those thoughts and desires like you said, it will take me time to figure this out.

 

[Voidking]

Yes we do all have natural desires to keep the body healthy, to take care of oneself, these are needs and not desires in my opinion... by abandoning all desires, we're talking about desires of the psychological realm, even the desire for enlightenment must be abandoned at the end, it is just a thought (your ego) desiring another thought-concept (enlightenment), in other words, you desire things to be otherwise, and you are not okay with things as they are, in the present... until you learn to accept all, the illusion will keep going, you'll resist suffering and create an illusionary sufferer-ego striving to eliminate suffering, while in reality, there is only suffering, and no sufferer,