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[Opinion] Add an "🤖 AI Slop" reaction option to mark low-effort AI content

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It sounds like another way to insult people unless you are absolutely sure it is A.I. slop.
Many people think my hair is fake or a hairpiece, and have laughed at it to my face, but it is my real hair, so I tend to ignore the slop coming out of hater's mouths. If I write something and you throw this A.I. slop reaction at me, you will be put in my ignore pile for good. What a great way to divide us and create more hate. Isn't the world divided enough as it is?
How do you intend on proving it is or isn't? Just assumption? Just because? Not sure what the purpose is of adding more weapons for the masses to abuse when you can just ignore it and move on.
 

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While I agree with your sentiment, I can already react to your post with the troll reaction even though there's nothing wrong with it. I can also put a dislike under a post that is actually useful to others just because I disagree with the poster's opinion while liking another post that adds nothing of value. Bad actors and stupid actors will always exist, regardless of the system.

To answer the question of how one would prove it, it's simple. You politely ask the poster to explain themselves, you have a discussion about it. The thing forums are for. "Hey, can I know where are you getting this from?" If they can cite their sources and explain their logic in a way that makes sense then it'd be less inclined to hit them with the bot reaction. If they can't do that, I'm hitting them with the bot emoji. Not to mention your entire posting history is available here. If some John Doe with no profile picture, a history of nothing but post reactions and nooby questions suddenly whips out an article of text that looks like it came of some encyclopedia of occult terms then that's a little sus (a little ironic since this is my first big reply, I know).

As for the issue of how one would identify the text of said post as AI there are already repetitive sentence structures and grammar that you can use to do that. It's just a matter of training the eye. The other easy solution is to ask one of the many AI chatbots out there to talk about the same topic that your suspected AI poster is talking about and compare outputs. Is it perfect? No, no detection method will ever be. But again, you're on a forum. If someone mislabels you as AI and you want defend yourself from that accusation they you should have no problem replying with receipts of where your information came from. Your posting history can also do the talking for you. Other users who know you for a long time will back you up.

Whether your hair is real or not has zero impact on me as forum user. But whether or not the information you are posting is real and based at least on what I perceive to be a true experience does have an impact on my experience as a forum user. I want a good well of information and a community of real practitioners to talk to and make sure my stuff is alright. That's why I came here, that's presumably why you went out your way to donate money to this place. AI posts dilute good information with useless and sometimes even hallucinated facts and people who rely on it to teach them stuff do not actually learn good practices from it and end up outsourcing their thinking to it. Having no reaction to someone calling you ugly is one thing, having no reaction to someone who's comparing you to a machine that doesn't even understand what it's output means should make you double take on what you just wrote and who's making that comparison. These things are not even remotely comparable.
 

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I think the title explains itself. There's already a Troll reaction in place so I think having one that signals that the post's contents are AI generated slop would fit in nicely. It should probably have a negative reaction score attached to it too.
You can also Report the post in question, as (an overuse of) AI is against the Rules.
 

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While I agree with your sentiment, I can already react to your post with the troll reaction even though there's nothing wrong with it. I can also put a dislike under a post that is actually useful to others just because I disagree with the poster's opinion while liking another post that adds nothing of value. Bad actors and stupid actors will always exist, regardless of the system.

To answer the question of how one would prove it, it's simple. You politely ask the poster to explain themselves, you have a discussion about it. The thing forums are for. "Hey, can I know where are you getting this from?" If they can cite their sources and explain their logic in a way that makes sense then it'd be less inclined to hit them with the bot reaction. If they can't do that, I'm hitting them with the bot emoji. Not to mention your entire posting history is available here. If some John Doe with no profile picture, a history of nothing but post reactions and nooby questions suddenly whips out an article of text that looks like it came of some encyclopedia of occult terms then that's a little sus (a little ironic since this is my first big reply, I know).

As for the issue of how one would identify the text of said post as AI there are already repetitive sentence structures and grammar that you can use to do that. It's just a matter of training the eye. The other easy solution is to ask one of the many AI chatbots out there to talk about the same topic that your suspected AI poster is talking about and compare outputs. Is it perfect? No, no detection method will ever be. But again, you're on a forum. If someone mislabels you as AI and you want defend yourself from that accusation they you should have no problem replying with receipts of where your information came from. Your posting history can also do the talking for you. Other users who know you for a long time will back you up.

Whether your hair is real or not has zero impact on me as forum user. But whether or not the information you are posting is real and based at least on what I perceive to be a true experience does have an impact on my experience as a forum user. I want a good well of information and a community of real practitioners to talk to and make sure my stuff is alright. That's why I came here, that's presumably why you went out your way to donate money to this place. AI posts dilute good information with useless and sometimes even hallucinated facts and people who rely on it to teach them stuff do not actually learn good practices from it and end up outsourcing their thinking to it. Having no reaction to someone calling you ugly is one thing, having no reaction to someone who's comparing you to a machine that doesn't even understand what it's output means should make you double take on what you just wrote and who's making that comparison. These things are not even remotely comparable.
It all seems seriously judgemental, like you want to drag FB or X here and start repeating the bully system. Not a fan. The masses don't need more weapons. There is already a report button. Let moderators do what they do, and stop trying to control and manipulate others, which is all that button would be for.
 

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I think it would be a fun addition. Most of the people on this forum are knowledgable and respectful enough to handle that addition i think. If anything, it would be funny. However, i do understand the argument that it could get out of hand.

So, with this sentiment. I must abstain.
 

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The masses don't need more weapons
This post in an active part of the forum got 1K views in a little under a month. Out of those views only 28 decided to reply to it. The OP post only got 12 likes. It took nearly three years for this post by the literal owner of the forum to get 30 positive reactions and 28 replies at the time I'm writing this, in a slower part of the forum. And you can click on the reactions yourself to see how spaced out they are over time. If you go onto the main page you can see a list of registered members, people who can actually use reactions and reply, that are active at any given time. There's 27 of them online at this point, myself included. I don't know what kind of "masses" you're expecting to suddenly show up in waves to false flag posts but I don't think they're here in this niche forum. This is not X or FB.

If you're still worried about people bombing some post with negative reactions, go click on "What's new > Latest activity" and see how often people dislike a post. You'll quickly realize people are much more likely to like a post they enjoy and leave no reaction on other posts than to dislike a post. My point being, the data doesn't support this concern being that pressing of an issue.

There is already a report button. Let moderators do what they do, and stop trying to control and manipulate others, which is all that button would be for.
There is already a dislike and troll reaction, like I said earlier. If someone were to come here and start posting nothing but nonsense or act in bad faith people would both report them and react negatively to these posts. Why do the public reactions matter if theres a report button? Because they signal for everyone else looking at the thread that people who are engaged in the forum actively like or dislike these person's posts. With the reactions we actually get to measure how the actual posters of the forum feel about it. It's valuable information for seeing who's trusted in that space and who's not.

You might then ask "But doesn't a bunch of people reacting negatively to someone's posts make that person stop posting and coming to the forum eventually?" Yes, that is how members in that community get to push out members and ideas they don't like out of their space over time, without having to involve moderators. This is a process that happens everywhere online and offline. Curating a space is not just the job of the authority figures in that space, it's partially the job of everyone else that's participating in it.
 

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This post in an active part of the forum got 1K views in a little under a month. Out of those views only 28 decided to reply to it. The OP post only got 12 likes. It took nearly three years for this post by the literal owner of the forum to get 30 positive reactions and 28 replies at the time I'm writing this, in a slower part of the forum. And you can click on the reactions yourself to see how spaced out they are over time. If you go onto the main page you can see a list of registered members, people who can actually use reactions and reply, that are active at any given time. There's 27 of them online at this point, myself included. I don't know what kind of "masses" you're expecting to suddenly show up in waves to false flag posts but I don't think they're here in this niche forum. This is not X or FB.

If you're still worried about people bombing some post with negative reactions, go click on "What's new > Latest activity" and see how often people dislike a post. You'll quickly realize people are much more likely to like a post they enjoy and leave no reaction on other posts than to dislike a post. My point being, the data doesn't support this concern being that pressing of an issue.


There is already a dislike and troll reaction, like I said earlier. If someone were to come here and start posting nothing but nonsense or act in bad faith people would both report them and react negatively to these posts. Why do the public reactions matter if theres a report button? Because they signal for everyone else looking at the thread that people who are engaged in the forum actively like or dislike these person's posts. With the reactions we actually get to measure how the actual posters of the forum feel about it. It's valuable information for seeing who's trusted in that space and who's not.

You might then ask "But doesn't a bunch of people reacting negatively to someone's posts make that person stop posting and coming to the forum eventually?" Yes, that is how members in that community get to push out members and ideas they don't like out of their space over time, without having to involve moderators. This is a process that happens everywhere online and offline. Curating a space is not just the job of the authority figures in that space, it's partially the job of everyone else that's participating in it.
Now here you are getting all up in my grill, like I'm the problem because I don't agree that you need more buttons to push. Obviously just so you can continue to attack other members here with your incessant and irrelevant input. So you come out from under your rock, as a new Neophyte, and try to argue with me and attempt to push my buttons, which makes you a difficult and obsessed person to me. You do you and just mind your own business and do your own thing, but don't come at me sideways unless you want to start something that needs moderator attention. Are you OCD or something? WTF and get off my back with your statistical nonsense that doesn't interest me any more than the skidmarks in your shorts. I don't care. I don't think we need more power over other users, and certainly not from people like you who are so anti-whatever that you think you need to foam at the mouth about it. Get a life. Policing this forum is certainly not your job, thank the stars for that. What a lunatic you are turning out to be.

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And btw @StoatCatcher ... you are obviously part of the sick and twisted cancel culture of hate and division if you think you can just push people out of forums by some cult gang of charlatan button-pushing teenagers that think they have skills. You should know better than to harass people in a forum full of occult and esoteric abilities. You won't last here.
 
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However, i do understand the argument that it could get out of hand.
In all fairness one of the things that's genuinely annoying is the recent trend of people asking under legitimate art posts if it was made with AI because they can't tell the difference. I get that it's annoying to reply to that with "Yeah, I actually did all of that" but I think that just comes with the territory now that the LLM pandora box has been opened. I don't think you can blame people for being a little bit more paranoid and trying to assure themselves that the product they're getting was made with real care behind it.

Yes, it's annoying and it might hurt a little, but I prefer to be sure. If it turns out to be real human content and they show me their process, then that's wonderful. I get to see someone who's good at their craft show me how it's done. If it's AI content then I look at it differently because I'm aware of the shortcomings of the AI. I don't trust it to spit out good content and I can't ignore that.
 

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Now here you are getting all up in my grill, like I'm the problem because I don't agree that you need more buttons to push. Obviously just so you can continue to attack other members here with your incessant and irrelevant input. So you come out from under your rock, as a new Neophyte, and try to argue with me and attempt to push my buttons, which makes you a difficult and obsessed person to me. You do you and just mind your own business and do your own thing, but don't come at me sideways unless you want to start something that needs moderator attention. Are you OCD or something? WTF and get off my back with your statistical nonsense that doesn't interest me any more than the skidmarks in your shorts. I don't care. I don't think we need more power over other users, and certainly not from people like you who are so anti-whatever that you think you need to foam at the mouth about it. Get a life. Policing this forum is certainly not your job, thank the stars for that. What a lunatic you are turning out to be.

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And btw @StoatCatcher ... you are obviously part of the sick and twisted cancel culture of hate and division if you think you can just push people out of forums by some cult gang of charlatan button-pushing teenagers that think they have skills. You should know better than to harass people in a forum full of occult and esoteric abilities. You won't last here.

Now here you are getting all up in my grill, like I'm the problem because I don't agree that you need more buttons to push. Obviously just so you can continue to attack other members here with your incessant and irrelevant input. So you come out from under your rock, as a new Neophyte, and try to argue with me and attempt to push my buttons, which makes you a difficult and obsessed person to me. You do you and just mind your own business and do your own thing, but don't come at me sideways unless you want to start something that needs moderator attention. Are you OCD or something? WTF and get off my back with your statistical nonsense that doesn't interest me any more than the skidmarks in your shorts. I don't care. I don't think we need more power over other users, and certainly not from people like you who are so anti-whatever that you think you need to foam at the mouth about it. Get a life. Policing this forum is certainly not your job, thank the stars for that. What a lunatic you are turning out to be.

StoatCatcher is now ignored, permanently...​

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And btw @StoatCatcher ... you are obviously part of the sick and twisted cancel culture of hate and division if you think you can just push people out of forums by some cult gang of charlatan button-pushing teenagers that think they have skills. You should know better than to harass people in a forum full of occult and esoteric abilities. You won't last here.
My friend. I am fairly sure that feeling the need to argue is quite absurd if your "esoteric abilities" are so great. I just add, im simply responding out of boredom and i am in an office cubicle at the moment. However, the fact that you are so keen to assume that this fellow is part of the "cancel culture" is quite strange. It is not like adding an "AI slop" button is going to bring cancel culture onto a niche occult forum. We already have a troll button. If cancel culture had reached this forum, that would be used more often. Not to mention, to cancel others, you need to expose them for something embarassing. Now, on top of this, people on this forum tend to appreciate original content and not AI content. Therefore, while i do not care whether an AI reaction gets added or not, i must note to you that people here enjoy other peoples opinions, and some cannot tell what is AI or not. Therefore, an AI reaction could help point that out to those that cannot tell. It is not about canceling people, it is about adding a silly reaction to a niche occult forum. The absurdity of your argument is funny to me, so i had to respond.
 

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I am fairly sure that feeling the need to argue is quite absurd if your "esoteric abilities" are so great.
Here we go again with people taking sides and throwing more mud, when it is not necessary.
You are absurd for assuming that indulging the desire to rebuke children puking childish nonsense is below someone with esoteric abilities. It shows you make false assumptions about people with esoteric abilities. A judgement call, which is what the rat catcher is trying to do, judge others and decide what they can or can't think, say, do, read, or post. It is a sickness invading the entire world like some demon.
Putting people on a fake pedestal that serve goddesses or gods, make pacts with demons, or have special skills is like assuming that all people with any skills in life must be above reproach. People are people, and even the most talented are not somehow enlightened to the point that they don't get annoyed, or horny, or hungry, or sick. Thus, your statement is null and void of any worth to me, and I am not your friend, so don't attempt to use that word without it being so. You are way out of bounds.
You obviously either relate to the rat catcher, or support the bullying tactics so blatantly boasted in his post. The rat catcher admitted to being a cancel culture member by the following statement.
You might then ask "But doesn't a bunch of people reacting negatively to someone's posts make that person stop posting and coming to the forum eventually?" Yes, that is how members in that community get to push out members and ideas they don't like out of their space over time, without having to involve moderators. This is a process that happens everywhere online and offline. Curating a space is not just the job of the authority figures in that space, it's partially the job of everyone else that's participating in it.
This is how books get burned by zealots who think their way is the only way. A slippery slope for the ignorant.
And btw, the last A.I. content I looked at, it was repeating Wikipedia, Quora, Facebook, and Reddit responses from human beings, as if they were subject matter experts, while nobody is checking for actual facts and simply accepting the results, very similar to places like this.
Perhaps the fear of A.I. is a fear that these fakes will also be exposed and the manipulation networks will slowly fall?
Assuming that any novice could then step in and make judgement calls, like you do with your assumption that people with powers must somehow be above human thought and feeling, is to allow a nonsense pattern of human ignorance take the steering wheel, when the masses without skills should not have that power. It would bring us back to the days of burning witches and crucifying by the ignorant.
 

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Here we go again with people taking sides and throwing more mud, when it is not necessary.
You are absurd for assuming that indulging the desire to rebuke children puking childish nonsense is below someone with esoteric abilities. It shows you make false assumptions about people with esoteric abilities. A judgement call, which is what the rat catcher is trying to do, judge others and decide what they can or can't think, say, do, read, or post. It is a sickness invading the entire world like some demon.
Putting people on a fake pedestal that serve goddesses or gods, make pacts with demons, or have special skills is like assuming that all people with any skills in life must be above reproach. People are people, and even the most talented are not somehow enlightened to the point that they don't get annoyed, or horny, or hungry, or sick. Thus, your statement is null and void of any worth to me, and I am not your friend, so don't attempt to use that word without it being so. You are way out of bounds.
You obviously either relate to the rat catcher, or support the bullying tactics so blatantly boasted in his post. The rat catcher admitted to being a cancel culture member by the following statement.

This is how books get burned by zealots who think their way is the only way. A slippery slope for the ignorant.
And btw, the last A.I. content I looked at, it was repeating Wikipedia, Quora, Facebook, and Reddit responses from human beings, as if they were subject matter experts, while nobody is checking for actual facts and simply accepting the results, very similar to places like this.
Perhaps the fear of A.I. is a fear that these fakes will also be exposed and the manipulation networks will slowly fall?
Assuming that any novice could then step in and make judgement calls, like you do with your assumption that people with powers must somehow be above human thought and feeling, is to allow a nonsense pattern of human ignorance take the steering wheel, when the masses without skills should not have that power. It would bring us back to the days of burning witches and crucifying by the ignorant.
Oh crap. I must apologize deeply. I did not see the post you mentioned until you mentioned it. It does look rather like the cancel culture you speak of.

Apologies again. I must confess i may have been on an ego trip and did not properly research the posts of the person i sided with. You most certainly know what you speak of. I am still learning, so apologies.

Have a splendid day.
 

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It does look rather like the cancel culture you speak of.
I'm not endorsing cancelling anybody or going out of your way to silence people in a targeted way. No one is gonna pick up pitchforks and torches because of a few reactions on a forum. I'm talking about people just organically disliking someone's content over time because they find the content they post to not be good, and those acts accumulate over time to paint a reputation. You probably didn't sign up here to get all these awards and likes on your profile but because you've engaged the community long enough your profile eventually got there because the people on here enjoyed your content. If people disliked your posts then your score would've moved in the other direction over time. It's not cancel culture, it's you reaping the consequences of your posts.
 

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I'm not endorsing cancelling anybody or going out of your way to silence people in a targeted way. No one is gonna pick up pitchforks and torches because of a few reactions on a forum. I'm talking about people just organically disliking someone's content over time because they find the content they post to not be good, and those acts accumulate over time to paint a reputation. You probably didn't sign up here to get all these awards and likes on your profile but because you've engaged the community long enough your profile eventually got there because the people on here enjoyed your content. If people disliked your posts then your score would've moved in the other direction over time. It's not cancel culture, it's you reaping the consequences of your posts.
Okay I'm kind of neutral on this but leaning towards no. If someone thinks something is ai generated they should just tell the person in a reply.

If they just react to it then the person has to reply to themselves to defend themself which is a little weird. Then the person can just react to that reply with ai image and say nothing. Basically trolling the other person but theres no message so no one can even react to them trolling. It seems like it would just create random targets.

If they don't like the content then just use the dislike button. You are already intending to use this to just to dislike content? Didn't you say this reaction would be just for if something is ai generated?

I think if you think something is ai generated then just say that to the person. I don't think people should hide behind a reaction image especially since if someone spams that reaction image to one person how are they supposed to defend by just replying back to themsleves?
 

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What a lot of you guys are missing is that replying to someone to say you think their post is AI generated (as opposed to something like replying to a Non English post to say use a translator) will prompt the OP and/or others to start going off topic to defend themselves. This type of comment completely derails threads which is fine if it truly was AI generated content, but if it wasn’t, it’s annoying.

I will warn people for derailing threads by saying “I think this is AI content”. Just report the thread with a link to an AI detector, that’s much better. Staff will have to make a judgement call on warning the offender, but it’s much better than derailing threads.

With that in mind, I can see a use for people wanting to express a sentiment that they think a post is AI. And I do support the idea of the user base self-moderating to some extent… but like others have send I don’t want WF to end up being a circlejerk groupthink platform like Reddit either.

It’s a good suggestion, though… I’ll consider it.
 

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I'm still going to defend this position. This can unfairly target those who don't speak english and have to use translators to talk on here. So it looks 'ai generated' when its really just using a translator.

I stand by if you don't like something just use this dislike button. If something is ai tell them you think its ai or report.
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I'm not endorsing cancelling anybody or going out of your way to silence people in a targeted way. No one is gonna pick up pitchforks and torches because of a few reactions on a forum. I'm talking about people just organically disliking someone's content over time because they find the content they post to not be good, and those acts accumulate over time to paint a reputation. You probably didn't sign up here to get all these awards and likes on your profile but because you've engaged the community long enough your profile eventually got there because the people on here enjoyed your content. If people disliked your posts then your score would've moved in the other direction over time. It's not cancel culture, it's you reaping the consequences of your posts.
I don't like this reply because this seems like you want to use this as another way to insult people. I think it should this reaction should only be used if you really think something is ai generated so used sparingly else if you don't like a post just dislike it.
 
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I like Pandora's box comparison.

However I'm against this idea. A lot of people do not seem to be able to tell if the art is AI. Artists on Insta are complaining that they are being called to make AI slop even if at the same post along with the art there is progress video. People do not check if their feeling about stuff being AI is right. They see it, think AI and immediately act on it. People usually act about things without second thought.

With text it is the same. I definitely have problems with figuring out AI. Various models have various language styles, so while some models turn being easy to spot, others less so. And I agree with translating issue here. I think that since the use of AI is limited here by rules, anyone using AI wrong here is breaking the rules and can be reported. And we don't have any AI accounts here either. which is pleasing, honestly. (I hope)
 
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