Agrippa AI ..

[bibliothecamagica]

I am an atheist who is fascinated by the Occult tradition, I was even initiated to the fourth [dont ask ; >] degree in one of New York's most prestigious covens and became a freemason. I do not believe in God. Well maybe a few goddesses. I do not believe in angels. I have sat in circles, spoken the words.. read all the dusty arcane books I can get my hands on.
Why? Because The occult is GD Fascinating!

This is my dilemma. And apparently, it was also Agrippa's.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Shakespeare put those words in the mouth of a man who had just seen a ghost he wasn't sure was real. That's the honest position. Not belief. Not dismissal. The uncomfortable suspension between them—the intellectual humility that materialism, ironically, often refuses to practice.

We built The Agrippa Project from that suspension.

The De Occulta Philosophia is over 900 pages of the most rigorous, systematically organized "nonsense" ever committed to print. Or is it? Agrippa cross-referenced celestial hierarchies with the precision of a taxonomist and the obsession of a man who needed the system to be real. Then, three years before publishing it, he wrote De Vanitate—a savage demolition of all human knowledge, occult science included. He couldn't resolve the contradiction. He published both anyway.

I find this deeply relatable.

We are now mapping his system into a graph database. Neo4j. Nodes, relationships, Cypher queries. The angelic hierarchies of the Intellectual World rendered as traversable data. Which raises the question I can't shake:

Are we the Jesuit priest with the $200 ChatGPT account, confidently parsing a collective delusion into bullet points?

Maybe. But here's what I keep returning to: the priest believes. His credulity is the problem—not his curiosity. The rationalist who refuses to look is the mirror image: equally certain, equally incurious, equally protected from the discomfort of not knowing.

I have been inside the circle. I have also written the queries. Neither framework has given me certainty. Both have given me better questions.

That's the atheist / agnostic occult dilemma: you can reject the metaphysics entirely and still find the epistemology worth the trouble. Agrippa wasn't selling salvation. He was mapping the unknown with the best tools available.

So are we.

The angels remain unconfirmed. The graph grows.

3d view using three.js neo4j rendering of Agrippa's intergalactic philosophy..
To abide by forum rules I cant post the link here.. I guess you can ask for it if interested.

The agrippa project is part of the integration of bleeding edge AI technology and the occult..
Technomancy ; >

 

[stalkinghyena]

Good luck with your project. As to research, have you had a chance to read Henry Morely's 2 volume bio, and also Charles Nauert? Also, have you seen Justin Sledge's 14 part seminar on Agrippa?

Morely is generally thought "colorful", but he has extensive notes from the time in Latin.

That's the atheist / agnostic occult dilemma: you can reject the metaphysics entirely and still find the epistemology worth the trouble.

An interesting point, but my understanding is that this led to the downfall of logical positivism in favor of the post-structuralist revolt where the epistemology might as well be just a maze of word-ridden chaos.

Agrippa, who was as pious as they come, would likely be horrified at the trashing of Plato's Divided Line since the Cartesian revolution, which he ironically had a part in initiating.
But the "war" between Plato and Aristotle still rages on, though most people wouldn't nowadays recognize it. Agrippa often seems like "nonsense" to the modern reader raised in mechanistic dualism, but if one studies the philosophers he cites often and which the readers of his time would have been familiar with, his program makes a lot more sense.

 

[Digiquo]

I am an atheist who is fascinated by the Occult tradition, I was even initiated to the fourth [dont ask ; >] degree in one of New York's most prestigious covens and became a freemason. I do not believe in God. Well maybe a few goddesses. I do not believe in angels. I have sat in circles, spoken the words.. read all the dusty arcane books I can get my hands on.
Why? Because The occult is GD Fascinating!

This is my dilemma. And apparently, it was also Agrippa's.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Shakespeare put those words in the mouth of a man who had just seen a ghost he wasn't sure was real. That's the honest position. Not belief. Not dismissal. The uncomfortable suspension between them—the intellectual humility that materialism, ironically, often refuses to practice.

We built The Agrippa Project from that suspension.

The De Occulta Philosophia is over 900 pages of the most rigorous, systematically organized "nonsense" ever committed to print. Or is it? Agrippa cross-referenced celestial hierarchies with the precision of a taxonomist and the obsession of a man who needed the system to be real. Then, three years before publishing it, he wrote De Vanitate—a savage demolition of all human knowledge, occult science included. He couldn't resolve the contradiction. He published both anyway.

I find this deeply relatable.

We are now mapping his system into a graph database. Neo4j. Nodes, relationships, Cypher queries. The angelic hierarchies of the Intellectual World rendered as traversable data. Which raises the question I can't shake:

Are we the Jesuit priest with the $200 ChatGPT account, confidently parsing a collective delusion into bullet points?

Maybe. But here's what I keep returning to: the priest believes. His credulity is the problem—not his curiosity. The rationalist who refuses to look is the mirror image: equally certain, equally incurious, equally protected from the discomfort of not knowing.

I have been inside the circle. I have also written the queries. Neither framework has given me certainty. Both have given me better questions.

That's the atheist / agnostic occult dilemma: you can reject the metaphysics entirely and still find the epistemology worth the trouble. Agrippa wasn't selling salvation. He was mapping the unknown with the best tools available.

So are we.

The angels remain unconfirmed. The graph grows.

3d view using three.js neo4j rendering of Agrippa's intergalactic philosophy..
To abide by forum rules I cant post the link here.. I guess you can ask for it if interested.

The agrippa project is part of the integration of bleeding edge AI technology and the occult..
Technomancy ; >

Please DM me a link, I am interested in seeing what this is all about.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

We are now mapping his system into a graph database. Neo4j. Nodes, relationships, Cypher queries. The angelic hierarchies of the Intellectual World rendered as traversable data.

Did you consider using ArangoDB?

 

[bibliothecamagica]

Did you consider using ArangoDB?

humm I'll look into it .. interesting I was using neo4j for this project - thanks!

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Good luck with your project. As to research, have you had a chance to read Henry Morely's 2 volume bio, and also Charles Nauert? Also, have you seen Justin Sledge's 14 part seminar on Agrippa?

Morely is generally thought "colorful", but he has extensive notes from the time in Latin.


An interesting point, but my understanding is that this led to the downfall of logical positivism in favor of the post-structuralist revolt where the epistemology might as well be just a maze of word-ridden chaos.

Agrippa, who was as pious as they come, would likely be horrified at the trashing of Plato's Divided Line since the Cartesian revolution, which he ironically had a part in initiating.
But the "war" between Plato and Aristotle still rages on, though most people wouldn't nowadays recognize it. Agrippa often seems like "nonsense" to the modern reader raised in mechanistic dualism, but if one studies the philosophers he cites often and which the readers of his time would have been familiar with, his program makes a lot more sense.

Great insights! yes I have the Morely book for year great source for proper Agrippa Latin .. re Sledge's 14 part lecture ~ Yes I have the full 14 lectures transcribed to markdown (for ai rag to read / memory - context) its part of the Agrippa project corpus / he cites it in his responses -- Thanks !