[TV Shows] An Unusual Netflix Project: Four Seasons of Occult LGBT Drama

[Eldros]

I heard that Netflix may be working on a major four - season LGBT TV series with an occult theme.
I've learned that non-LGBT actors would play the major roles as a show of respect for the LGBT community.
If true, it might turn out to be quite a unique and controversial Netflix production.
What do you think about this?

 

[GhostGirl]

Is this inspired by anything or... ?

 

[Nembra]

I see no way for this to be actually controversial in the current climate. I'd rather expect yet another instance of corporate-manufactured stunning-and-braveness, because that's apparently cheaper than good writers.

 

[luotenrati]

What is the series called? Non-LBGT actors playing LGBT characters seems disrespectful if anything lmao. You're essentially communicating that gay actors are not good enough for the role. It's like men playing women in ancient Greek theatre.

Curious if this'll be actual occult stuff like in A Dark Song or just spo0o0ky ghosts scooby doo type shit.

 

[Nembra]

What is the series called? Non-LBGT actors playing LGBT characters seems disrespectful if anything lmao. You're essentially communicating that gay actors are not good enough for the role. It's like men playing women in ancient Greek theatre.

With Greeks it was a purposeful rule. With all the sins of Hollywood, they have no similar ideas and those casting choices are mostly practical - as they should be. It frankly feels more disrespectful (and certainly humiliating) being treated like a different species that needs this segregated presence in culture. This approach, perhaps paradoxically, truly communicates that gay actors are somehow inadequate by protecting them from competition, by the way.

 

[Eldros]

Is this inspired by anything or... ?

Yes, sort of. It's inspired by an occult book, but not in the way that they're just following the book's plot.
They seem to be using it more as a source of inspiration and building a different story around it.

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With Greeks it was a purposeful rule. With all the sins of Hollywood, they have no similar ideas and those casting choices are mostly practical - as they should be. It frankly feels more disrespectful (and certainly humiliating) being treated like a different species that needs this segregated presence in culture. This approach, perhaps paradoxically, truly communicates that gay actors are somehow inadequate by protecting them from competition, by the way.

That's really an interesting angle on the matter.
If respect means protecting individuals from open competition, it could further highlight the inequality.
Maybe true equality just means offering everyone the same opportunity and letting the most skilled candidate to win.

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What is the series called? Non-LBGT actors playing LGBT characters seems disrespectful if anything lmao. You're essentially communicating that gay actors are not good enough for the role. It's like men playing women in ancient Greek theatre.

Curious if this'll be actual occult stuff like in A Dark Song or just spo0o0ky ghosts scooby doo type shit.

Yeah, I see what you mean about the casting.
However, the occult aspect is what truly interests me - if they go for something disturbing and ritualistic instead of standard Netflix ghost content it could be quite interesting.
Apparently, Martin Sheen was considered for one of the roles, but politely declined, explaining he had already been affected by some very sensitive scenes in Grace and Frankie.

 

[stalkinghyena]

I recall Netflix did that surrealistic show The Sandman, which used a number of occult related character names and people were coming out of the closet every five minutes. There was a punky sort of demon named Choronzon and a wimpy psychic mind manipulator named John Dee.
Azazel's depiction was pretty bad ass.
The last episode of Season 1 was some kind of digitally animated insert where a cat preached to other cats the longed for return of giant cat dominance over Earth and humanity. I kept thinking that Lovecraft's Cats of Ulthar might have been an inspiration.

Season 2 just lost my attention a short way in.

Let's see what they can do this time.

 

[Nembra]

That's really an interesting angle on the matter.
If respect means protecting individuals from open competition, it could further highlight the inequality.
Maybe true equality just means offering everyone the same opportunity and letting the most skilled candidate to win.

I don't think equality is a good principle overall. It has an underratedly limited use in legislation and similar social constructions, but that's about all there is to it. Ensouled it almost inevitably becomes Envy, one of the more powerful and evil demons.

 

[Eldros]

I recall Netflix did that surrealistic show The Sandman, which used a number of occult related character names and people were coming out of the closet every five minutes. There was a punky sort of demon named Choronzon and a wimpy psychic mind manipulator named John Dee.
Azazel's depiction was pretty bad ass.
The last episode of Season 1 was some kind of digitally animated insert where a cat preached to other cats the longed for return of giant cat dominance over Earth and humanity. I kept thinking that Lovecraft's Cats of Ulthar might have been an inspiration.

Season 2 just lost my attention a short way in.

Let's see what they can do this time.

That parallel is amazing. Although Season 2 lacked your interest, The Sandman has shown how bizarre occult themes and LGBT elements can mix.
I get why you thought of Lovecraft - the cat episode sounds really strange.
I'll be curious to see if this new series goes beyond controversy and occult style.

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I don't think equality is a good principle overall. It has an underratedly limited use in legislation and similar social constructions, but that's about all there is to it. Ensouled it almost inevitably becomes Envy, one of the more powerful and evil demons.

I think treating everyone equally makes sense, but I'm not as sure that everyone will have the same results.
But I wouldn't necessarily define equality as envy.
Maybe it happens when the desire for equality changes into hatred toward those who are different, have more, or do better.
That could certainly turn into something quite ugly.

 

[Nembra]

I recall Netflix did that surrealistic show The Sandman, which used a number of occult related character names and people were coming out of the closet every five minutes. There was a punky sort of demon named Choronzon and a wimpy psychic mind manipulator named John Dee.
Azazel's depiction was pretty bad ass.
The last episode of Season 1 was some kind of digitally animated insert where a cat preached to other cats the longed for return of giant cat dominance over Earth and humanity. I kept thinking that Lovecraft's Cats of Ulthar might have been an inspiration.

Season 2 just lost my attention a short way in.

Let's see what they can do this time.

Basically all the things taken from source material were at least decent - and brilliant at times - but the storytelling in terms of pacing and composition was increasingly mediocre in the first season and profoundly incompetent in the second.

 

[Eldros]

I'm really interested in what this series' plot might be. There are certainly a few choices if Netflix wants to do something unique.
As an example, picture a young demon who starts questioning his sexuality and fights to choose between possessing a man and a woman. Of course, a deep study of identity.
Or a gay witch who, at night, changes into a 23 year-old woman, lures young guys to her woods shack, and eats them for supper while savoring a glass of Cabernet. Excellent taste. Somewhere in there must be an important social message.
They might also include a haunted nightclub, and a sorcerer played by Matt Damon, who has already shown his dedication to the genre in

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To be open, I think we have season one nailed.

 

[Nembra]

I think treating everyone equally makes sense, but I'm not as sure that everyone will have the same results.

Yeah, that's the problem. People are different, need different things and can provide different benefits to the society. This river of course opens into the murky waters of trying to define how far should this "treating" go, and equality by itself doesn't help navigating them at all.

But I wouldn't necessarily define equality as envy.
Maybe it happens when the desire for equality changes into hatred toward those who are different, have more, or do better.
That could certainly turn into something quite ugly.

That's not exactly what I said, though I don't think I was very clear either. Equality deified (that is: treated as a moral principle) takes on shape of the demonic god of envy (I think some nomenclatures call such beings idols). That doesn't mean equality is the same thing as envy. What I meant is that envy is essentially a claim to the right to decide what is objectively good for others, which very often manifests as authoritarian overapplication of equality.

 

[Digiquo]

I recall Netflix did that surrealistic show The Sandman, which used a number of occult related character names and people were coming out of the closet every five minutes. There was a punky sort of demon named Choronzon and a wimpy psychic mind manipulator named John Dee.
Azazel's depiction was pretty bad ass.
The last episode of Season 1 was some kind of digitally animated insert where a cat preached to other cats the longed for return of giant cat dominance over Earth and humanity. I kept thinking that Lovecraft's Cats of Ulthar might have been an inspiration.

Season 2 just lost my attention a short way in.

Let's see what they can do this time.

The Sandman was actually a critically acclaimed graphic novel written by Neil Gaiman like 30 years before it was ever a show, so most of whatever true occult inspirations it had are entirely dependent on whatever Mr. Gaiman happened to know about in the mid to late 90's. He has a lot of very strange, occult-inspired literature in fact. 'The Graveyard Book' was a big favorite of mine growing up.

 

[Eldros]

Yeah, that's the problem. People are different, need different things and can provide different benefits to the society. This river of course opens into the murky waters of trying to define how far should this "treating" go, and equality by itself doesn't help navigating them at all.

That's not exactly what I said, though I don't think I was very clear either. Equality deified (that is: treated as a moral principle) takes on shape of the demonic god of envy (I think some nomenclatures call such beings idols). That doesn't mean equality is the same thing as envy. What I meant is that envy is essentially a claim to the right to decide what is objectively good for others, which very often manifests as authoritarian overapplication of equality.

I think I understand your distinction better now. // You're not saying that equality equals jealousy, but rather that it can be used as an excuse to impose one's view of what's best for everyone.
But I'm still not sure if equality is more prone to that. I just think that any virtue can become a problem if you take it too far. For example, freedom might turn into indifference, and justice can turn into revenge.
So the true problem may not be equality per se, but instead what happens when we use any virtue to tell others how they should live.
Is that closer to what you mean?

 

[Nembra]

I think I understand your distinction better now. // You're not saying that equality equals jealousy, but rather that it can be used as an excuse to impose one's view of what's best for everyone.
But I'm still not sure if equality is more prone to that. I just think that any virtue can become a problem if you take it too far. For example, freedom might turn into indifference, and justice can turn into revenge.
So the true problem may not be equality per se, but instead what happens when we use any virtue to tell others how they should live.
Is that closer to what you mean?

Not an excuse. It is in nature of the concept of equality to devolve into envy when misplaced. There is, you see, a difference. Revenge, for example, is in itself injust, so perversion of justice into it requires certain level of self-betrayal. Equality on the other hand is not a virtue at all because it's not something an individual can choose - the only way it exists by being imposed on a society. By taking justice as your moral principle you must still deal with certain ethical issues (because that framework is imperfect), but you at least can aspire to a good, happy life while following it. Taking equality as your moral principle is the same thing as selling your soul to Envy.

 

[Eldros]

Not an excuse. It is in nature of the concept of equality to devolve into envy when misplaced. There is, you see, a difference. Revenge, for example, is in itself injust, so perversion of justice into it requires certain level of self-betrayal. Equality on the other hand is not a virtue at all because it's not something an individual can choose - the only way it exists by being imposed on a society. By taking justice as your moral principle you must still deal with certain ethical issues (because that framework is imperfect), but you at least can aspire to a good, happy life while following it. Taking equality as your moral principle is the same thing as selling your soul to Envy.

You're saying that equality has to be imposed socially when it's treated as a moral ideal, and justice can be practiced as an individual virtue.
I'm still not sure that equality and envy are inseparable. Can someone value equality because they think all individuals are equal without feeling hatred towards others with more?
This problem may begin when "equal value" becomes equal ressults and differences are seen as something to avoid..
I get how that might result in what you're pointing to. //

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Going back to the series, I thought of two movies I had seen over the years.
One was French, and the other was an American remake. Both movies, were a success and starred non - LGBT actors who played their parts impeccably.
The first would be:

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and the remake:

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People really knew how to have fun l

 

[Nembra]

You're saying that equality has to be imposed socially when it's treated as a moral ideal, and justice can be practiced as an individual virtue.
I'm still not sure that equality and envy are inseparable. Can someone value equality because they think all individuals are equal without feeling hatred towards others with more?
This problem may begin when "equal value" becomes equal ressults and differences are seen as something to avoid..
I get how that might result in what you're pointing to. //

Well, that's another problem with equality, it can be defined in different ways. People in general are not equal in any measure that can be reliably agreed upon. I guess believing that they are is a mostly harmless delusion (albeit tedious to be around), but I find being wrong on the facts very forgivable. The belief that it is a good in itself for people to be equal is what I'd call the most prevailing form of envy.