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Ancestral Veneration

Over the years and after dabbling in all sorts of different traditions, sometimes ignorantly, I recognized a common theme. The importance of having a solid relationship with your ancestors. Before calling on any spirits, gods, goddesses, etc, consider the fact that every single one of us has a team ready to help us at sound of our calling them. And also consider just how many ancestors you actually have. It recursively adds 4 to every branch of your ancestral tree, webbing off into a massive network of possible support... if you work for it. And you have to remain committed to it!

The thing is, that we truly don't know some of our ancestors and probably never will. It's a massive pool of people all who had sometimes very opposing ways of living and seeing things. Some good, some bad. Some supportive, some destructive. We sometimes see that now with our living relatives. But the important part is to understand that without them, you wouldn't be here. Some might say "Oh my life sucks, why should I thank people I don't know for my shitty life". Well, somewhere down the ancestral line, some really good people in your family worked hard and long to preserve and provide for the family. Even if don't you see it now. All of that matters. It should be honored and respected. And in doing so, you'll see things in your life turn around.

Ancestral Altar
Altars for our dead loved ones is seen across many, many cultures. Unfortunately, its not very common in western cultures. This is partly due to the stigma behind what some religions see as "idolizing" the image of a person. Beyond how ridiculously hypocritical and stupid that is, they've been missing out on such an amazing opportunity! Not only can your ancestors truly hook it up, but in working your altar, you are also working your skills as a medium. You are enriching your connection to the other side while simultaneously learning how to do it better. Win win right! So what do you need?

This altar setup is inspired by Caribbean style Espiritismo (Spiritism) and their use of whats called a Boveda Spiritual aka Spiritual Vault. While being an ancestral altar, a true boveda also represents all of your spiritual guides. Yours does not have to be the same. Its your altar, not mines or anyone else's. Here you'll find ideas that you can use to inspire your own altar setup. There's also some resources online for the proper construction of a boveda if you prefer to do it that way.

Also, keep in mind that this example will include Christian stuff. To be very honest, I don't particularly follow to that religion but I understand that almost all of my family until who knows when had always been practicing Catholics. I also had a Catholic upbringing which helps me to be a bit more comfortable including this in practice than normal. In honor and respect of that, I personally have opted to include this in my setup and it feels right. If its not for you, choose whatever does. Just remember that this is an altar for your ancestors, not your personal altar.

Generally, you want to make use of the 4 elements, have items to establish an connection, and some other trinkets used when working the altar.

Items:
  • Small table with white table cloth (NOT IN YOUR BEDROOM)
  • Vessel(s) for water (1 wine glass can be used if you are limited on space, traditionally 1 large wine glass is used along with 4, 6, or 8 smaller glasses)
  • Quartz, Amethyst or both
  • Incense holder (can be brazier for coals, or holder for sticks) and incense (Nag Champa works great)
  • Flower vase with white flowers (lillies, carnations, roses all work)
  • 8" glass encases candle(s) (1-2 is fine but if you feel more is what you need then go for it)
  • Small Cup/Bowl of herbs/stones
  • Bell/Maraca/Percussive Instrument
  • Photos of ancestors if possible
  • Items your ancestors might have enjoyed (more on this later)
  • Florida Water and/or Kolonia 1800
  • Cascarilla (eggshell powder) IF NOT ALLERGIC
  • Traditionally, bovedas use Christian imagery. If you don't mind Christianity you'll need a metal crucifix, a rosary and an altar crucifix. Else, find an item that represents the God you believe in. Deciding not to have any additional items is perfectly fine too.
  • Notebook + Pen
How to set it up:
  1. Setup your table cleaned with the perfume water and place a clean white table cloth on it. It is important that the table is as level as possible.
  2. Clean your water vessels real good.
  3. Place the vessels on table. If using one glass, place it in the center. If using more than 1, place the large one in the center and then half of the small ones to the left, other half to the right.
  4. Clean your crystals with perfume water and place them in the bottom of the center vessel.
  5. Fill each vessel with cold water to the very top.
  6. Place representation of God either on top on in the center vessel, supported by the lip of the glass if possible. Wrap rosary if using one around the base of this glass.
  7. Place flower vase behind center vessel.
  8. Place incense holder on either side of the vessels.
  9. Place bell and bowl of herbs right in front of the center vessel. If using an altar cross or any other symbol on a stand, this gets placed in the center.
  10. If using a single candle, place it in front of the bell and bowl. If using 2-3 more arrange them in front of all vessels.
  11. Place photos around the back of the vessels or on the wall behind altar if possible.
  12. Place items they would like where ever on the altar feels right.
If that seems like a lot of work, you're right. It takes about an hour without rushing. But if done with care and with your ancestors in mind, this setup is one of the most enriching experiences. You'll forever remember the day that you started this journey.

So now that it's setup, how is it even used? After your first session, working your ancestral altar will usually be one of two types. A.) Daily Veneration or B.) Weekly Maintenance.

First Time
It's a party! Literally, it should be. It's a family reunion! You are finally getting to you know your family in ways outside of Uncle Tony telling you stories about his grandma. And the best part is that you're the life of the party! Pun totally intended. The initial steps taken during this party are the same that are used during the weekly maintenance. So for brevity I'm only mentioning it in this section.

1. Dress appropriately and be clean
Traditionally, all white should be worn as a symbol of purity. A white head covering of type is also recommended. But I completely understand that either not everyone has an all white outfit, and/or for some people, white isn't a color they like very much, less have white clothing. Regardless, be clean. Shower beforehand, get into fresh clothes, be presentable. After getting dressed, cleanse your head, back of neck and abdomen with cascarilla, and then the perfume water(s).

2. Protect the home!

Take a bowl, white preferably, and fill it with cold water, a dash perfume water and some protection herbs if you have them. No biggie if you don't. Place this outside your front door with a small tealight kind of candle and light the candle. This is to protect your home as you'll effectively be opening your space to all sorts of potential nasties the first time around. Think of it like a bug zapper for little pesky spirits that have no business near your home. You can go an extra step and put something at each corner of your house, like camphor, rosemary, fiery wall of protection oil, etc.

3. Opening Prayers
If using a Christian approach, open with the 3 main Catholic prayers; Lords Prayer, Hail Mary, and Glory Be. Else, use whatever prayers invoke the energies you desire. Then follow with a prayer to call on your ancestors and all spirits and entities you guide you. If you know your ancestors names, call as many of them as possible. Then give thanks.

4. Light candle and incense
As you light them, tell your ancestors what you're doing and why. Explain that you wish to always keep light and sweet scents in the air for them.

4. Sing songs, play music they would've liked
Play drums, sing for them, play their music. All of this will help establish a deeper connection.

5. Knock on your altar table 3 times and ring the bell.
This will be used to bring them to focus on you.

6. Communicate
Now that you have their attention, introduce yourself. Tell them thank you for all their hard work and love. Tell them how you wish to build a connection with them and want to learn how to better do so. Tell them you want to learn their names and who they were. Then talk to them about your struggles, things on your mind, things you want to improve on. Ask for guidance on issues you are currently facing. You don't want to go and ask them for $10,000 the first time around because that'll probably just piss them off. Be humble and respectful. Finally, ask them if they have anything to tell you to please do so however they can.

7. Listen and Watch
This is where the notebook comes into play. Just sit still and quiet. Observe any changes in the room, sounds you hear, ideas that pop into your head, images you see in your minds eye. Write them all down. This is how they will communicate, and in turn, how most spirits communicate. If you receive something but it's not clear, don't be afraid to ask for clarification. If you know how to do divination, now is an excellent time for readings as well. Keep this notebook near your altar all the time. Really, every great wizard should have a journal at arms reach at all times.

8. Close session
After conversing with our ancestors, we close with the same prayers that we started with, and knocking on the altar table 3 times again. Make sure you collect the bowl and candle outside. Disperse the water in your yard before entering the home.

Congratulations! You have activated your ancestral altar. Now you just have to keep using it :)

Daily Veneration
Each day in the morning if possible, or whenever throughout the day is best:
  1. Go to your altar
  2. Make sure candles are lit, light an incense
  3. Top vessels off with fresh water
  4. Do prayers
  5. Knock 3 times
  6. Ask ancestors for protection, guidance and opportunities throughout the day. Mention something you saw in a dream, and idea or something happening during the day that you want help with.
  7. Close out with prayers
  8. Knock 3 times

Weekly Maintenance
Pick a day each week to hold whats called a Misa Espiritual, or Spiritual Mass. It just means a day where you call forth all ancestors and guides and do the same kind of thing that you did the first time above. Only difference is that instead of filling the vessels for the first time, you should clean each vessel and pour fresh water. Be consistent! Try to make sure that you stick to the same day each week. If you have to miss a day, just try your best to do it the next day.

Prayers
There's a few that I use, and if anyone's interested I can PM them to you, or post them here if enough people want them.

Things you can do with the altar
  • The water in the central vessel is sacred and holy. You can use it for other work you are doing and to cleanse yourself or tools as well.
  • You can go to your altar, and swipe bad energy off of you and onto the altar. The water in the vessels will absorb it.
  • Ask your ancestors if there's anything in particular they might want. You may be surprised with a scent or image of something you didn't expect.
  • If using more than 1 vessel, the smaller ones can be arranged in various ways for various magical effects. This includes balance, defense and attack.
That's it! No get out there and honor those ancestors of yours. You will not regret it.

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The first step is to learn to love oneself. This is a heart process.

The second step is to form positive relationships with Nature including humans

The third step is learning to control one's level of consciousness. This is perhaps the most critical skill in spiritual science.

The fourth step (largely in parallel with the above) is to develop inner senses and use them in inner planes relationships - with progressive release of personal karma.

By then the initiate should be conscious of a post-human inner planes sponsor and thus have someone watching his/her back when engaged in inner planes activities
 

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The first step is to learn to love oneself. This is a heart process.

The second step is to form positive relationships with Nature including humans

The third step is learning to control one's level of consciousness. This is perhaps the most critical skill in spiritual science.

The fourth step (largely in parallel with the above) is to develop inner senses and use them in inner planes relationships - with progressive release of personal karma.

By then the initiate should be conscious of a post-human inner planes sponsor and thus have someone watching his/her back when engaged in inner planes activities
I still don’t see you explaining how you merged your ancestors “energy field”
 

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Ancestor work was trending on "WitchTwit" (witchcraft twitter) a few weeks ago. A LOT of people were against it saying things like "I'm trans and my ancestors were catholic so they won't accept me!!". Lol. It was interesting seeing them go back and forth with people like myself who advocated for reaching out to those "problematic" ancestors and see just how much they no longer care about frivolous things like sexual orientation. They simply want what's best for you (for the most part, there are exceptions). But to see people fight back on making a connection with those who came before.....stunning, not in a good way.
 

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It seems that I was more powerful than the group entities. I just put my attention to the two energy fields and pushed them together
Uh yeah I mean great if you were able to manage such a feat. But IMO, we can't control jack shit from our ancestors, let alone someone else's. I'm not necessarily doubting what you say you accomplished, but it seems more to me like maybe your attempt at bringing harmony is what was recognized. Our ancestors react based on our actions and the issues we bring to them to help us with. I do highly doubt though that you are more powerful than two groups of ancestors. We're talking thousands of people on either side vs 1. And keep in mind, by nature of you being committed to your partner and then having kids, you are effectively "merging" each partners ancestral lineage.

Really...I’ve never heard that...from my understandings our ancestors live in us and can easily control us...odd that you suddenly just controlled them

also you controlled your wife’s ancestors ?
I don't think our ancestors live "in" us so much as "with" us. And although they might fester or try to bring things to our attention, they can't "easily control" us. Honestly, nothing should be able to easily control us. Not our ancestors, guides, no one. That's a sign of an obsessed/attached spirit maybe masking itself.

our ancestors are part of us always...if they cause issues it’s normally because they don’t like something, I’ve never had to bribe mine. The point is they’re always with us, you can’t just control them or get rid of them.
Yeah exactly, you shouldn't have to bribe your ancestors. They're team you all day (so long as you're not fucking up).

An absolute statement is often hard to prove
You can't just go saying that your merged and overpowered two groups of ancestors and then say that Miders statement is hard to prove. Ask any serious practioner of ancestral magic and they'll tell you that that's bullshit. If you try to control your ancestors, good luck buddy. You're asking for a world of hurt and closed roads. And look, I barely have the time to visit this forum as much as I would like and am not trying to go around creating issues with anyone. But your claims really shouldn't be followed up by saying that its hard to prove that we really can't control our ancestors.
 

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Uh yeah I mean great if you were able to manage such a feat. But IMO, we can't control jack shit from our ancestors, let alone someone else's. I'm not necessarily doubting what you say you accomplished, but it seems more to me like maybe your attempt at bringing harmony is what was recognized. Our ancestors react based on our actions and the issues we bring to them to help us with. I do highly doubt though that you are more powerful than two groups of ancestors. We're talking thousands of people on either side vs 1. And keep in mind, by nature of you being committed to your partner and then having kids, you are effectively "merging" each partners ancestral lineage.


I don't think our ancestors live "in" us so much as "with" us. And although they might fester or try to bring things to our attention, they can't "easily control" us. Honestly, nothing should be able to easily control us. Not our ancestors, guides, no one. That's a sign of an obsessed/attached spirit maybe masking itself.


Yeah exactly, you shouldn't have to bribe your ancestors. They're team you all day (so long as you're not fucking up).


You can't just go saying that your merged and overpowered two groups of ancestors and then say that Miders statement is hard to prove. Ask any serious practioner of ancestral magic and they'll tell you that that's bullshit. If you try to control your ancestors, good luck buddy. You're asking for a world of hurt and closed roads. And look, I barely have the time to visit this forum as much as I would like and am not trying to go around creating issues with anyone. But your claims really shouldn't be followed up by saying that its hard to prove that we really can't control our ancestors.
You’d be surprised at what spirits can do...or how easily we can be manipulated at times. Especially ones you tie yourself too.

other then that I agree with you
 

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The first step is to learn to love oneself. This is a heart process.

The second step is to form positive relationships with Nature including humans

The third step is learning to control one's level of consciousness. This is perhaps the most critical skill in spiritual science.

The fourth step (largely in parallel with the above) is to develop inner senses and use them in inner planes relationships - with progressive release of personal karma.

By then the initiate should be conscious of a post-human inner planes sponsor and thus have someone watching his/her back when engaged in inner planes activities
Like 2 cooks in the kitchen, I don't agree with all of your steps, however skill recognizes skill, so thanks for sharing the initiate level insight.
 

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What A great and perfect tutorial for honoring ancestors. I'm thinking that a person can know some of the accounts of bad ancestors that may want to come into a person's life to destroy it. These ancestors would have to be controlled. Maybe there's some old family beef as an example. These types can be controlled from causing havoc in a person's life. They would have to be I think. I guess first by not calling those troublesome up.
 

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What A great and perfect tutorial for honoring ancestors. I'm thinking that a person can know some of the accounts of bad ancestors that may want to come into a person's life to destroy it. These ancestors would have to be controlled. Maybe there's some old family beef as an example. These types can be controlled from causing havoc in a person's life. They would have to be I think. I guess first by not calling those troublesome up.
For old family beef, I would use some kind of sweetening work before going with something for domination. Really, the risk is there for both, but I feel like our ancestors are less likely to get snappy with us if they don’t feel like we’re trying to control them. They seem to respond positively to actions of harmony. But yeah regardless, you’d want to try to minimize the effects that nasty ancestors can bring to our lives.
 

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What A great and perfect tutorial for honoring ancestors. I'm thinking that a person can know some of the accounts of bad ancestors that may want to come into a person's life to destroy it. These ancestors would have to be controlled. Maybe there's some old family beef as an example. These types can be controlled from causing havoc in a person's life. They would have to be I think. I guess first by not calling those troublesome up.
Sometimes having a spirit that has power over the dead helps, many Of my ancestors were Catholic so Santa Muerte works well
 
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I sort of created both a family altar and a Santa Muerte space. Is that bad?
What about Baptism for the Dead?
I could get back into the Latter Day Saints church as a Brother of Aaronic and Melcheezidek priesthoods.
I will pay respects this year to the graves of my loved ones. And leave coins.

This page tab also tends to load/switch to on its own. I guess I pay more attention to this issue.
 
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RE: Ancestral Veneration
SUBTOPIC: The Unknown
※→. Diluculo_DelFuego, et al,

Baptism is, at the functional level, a cleansing ritual (‘
‘the dipping, washing’’). In the Septuagint (LXX), "baptism" has also been translated as the "dip or dipping."

What about Baptism for the Dead?
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Baptism is considered a "sacrement." But, there is no accepted definition of a "sacrement." It is an power presented by the religious leaders that is bestowed upon initiates/administer to render unto other.

Catholic Encyclopedia • Volume 12 of 20 Ref–Sep said:
In its teaching at the Councils of Trent and Vatican II there is insistence on certain essential characteristics of ‘‘sacraments’’ but no authentic binding definition. Succinctly put, sacraments are visible signs chosen by Christ and celebrated ritually in the community of the Church to draw the Church into an experience of Christ’s paschal mystery by means of liturgical actions enacted through the power of the Holy Spirit
under the agency of the Church’s ordained ministers.
SOURCE: New Catholic encyclopedia.—2nd ed. © 2003 by The Catholic University of America • Published by Gale Group • p465

Baptism is "a symbolic ritual" wherein the participants petition the "deity" (
whichever one that may be) to ascend to the next level of being.

Catholic Encyclopedia • Volume 2 of 20 Baa–Cam said:
Mystery baths and baptisms are only a further step; in symbolic rite the initiate dies, and his death results in divinization. Cleansing and vivification, however, are understood more in the merely ritual or magic than in the moral sense. This deficiency in their religion was sensed even by the pagans.
SOURCE: New Catholic encyclopedia.—2nd ed. © 2003 by The Catholic University of America • Published by Gale Group • p57

Wicca is a religion; Witchcraft is NOT. In Wicca (
which has a hierarchy and rank system) the head of the Coven must ordain a member to administer the sacrement. In Witchcraft Covens each practitioner has the right to individual petition the "deity" concerned. IF the entire coven participates in the petition ritual, the "deity" (theoretically) hears that many more voices which strengthens the petition. The petition may take any number of forms (spell. prayer, etc).

Hear with favor our prayers, which we offer the Supreme Being, for the salvation of our bretheren and your servant, who devoted a faithful ministry in yuor coven, that you may light the way for his soul so that your servant my have the perpetual company of your celestial presence. AMEN.

You will notice that many contemporary religions have, as part of the ritual, a cleansing and dressing ritual prior to the funeral procession and burial.

( ∑ )

So, yes in these time, such a cleansing is done routinely.


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Making the thread live again, and hoping for answers.

I am preparing to initiate ancestor work for the first time. This guide is very useful, but I have significant concern over those of my blood who may work against me or wish me ill. This is fed at least a little by nonfunctional and traumatic relationships with living ancestors. It feels confusing - in a way that makes me wary - to work with those who are past while I cannot trust or communicate with those who are living. Does anyone have any insight into this, or a direction you can point me?

Thanks
 

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those of my blood who may work against me or wish me ill. This is fed at least a little by nonfunctional and traumatic relationships

Quite so. I often encounter humans that are being oppressed by ancestors - who in their turn are being oppressed by adverse entities

One such woman, oppressed by dead grandparents and great grandparents has managed to rescue herself and her father from the oppression by using heart-light on him and his ancestors and by discharging parasitic astral entities with the same light

Traumatic relationships are used for oppression over sequences of incarnations
 

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@Lila I know this is late, but I was actually really surprised to see this not mentioned earlier! It's very very common to word it so that you are only inviting "the elevated dead" "the blessed dead" "those who wish to see me succeed" etc etc

I would say that it is the norm among Western magicians to preface it with something like that (probably because a lot of us are living on occupied land and while we may not know the specifics of what our great-grandparents did, we can take a guess it probably wasn't good). Among more traditional/religious ancestor veneration, it's probably not the norm. Different values around family loyalty.

so my ancestor prayer begins like this:

I call out to my honoured ancestors, whether human, spirit, god, rock, plant, mountain, river, insect, star, planet, moon, fungus, virus, bacteria, or any other form of person unbeknownst to me. I call out to any and all who are invested in my path to be here with me now.
I call out to the blessed dead, you who lived well and died well, be here and hear me.


That's four ways of extending the invitation only to non-shitty ancestors, which is overkill, but I wanted to be sure (the litany of types of beings is not written by me just fyi,I stole that)

Blessed Dead is an Ancient Egyptian term referring to this: “An akh is the blessed or 'transfigured' soul of a person who died and whose soul had been judged by Osiris and found maat kheru - justified. An akh was an effective spirit, one could still influence events in this world.”

that's effectively saying the same thing as "you who lived well and died well" - they were good people in life, they were judged well in death, they were elevated after death (hence "elevated dead" as a synonym). My honoured ancestors are those who acted honourably. Etc.

I use "uplifted ancestors" later in the prayer; same thing.

Like you, I don't get on well with my living ancestors, and had never had any interest in ancestor veneration until someone pointed out, like, going back to the dawn of homo sapiens or even earlier? you have a LOT of ancestors. Some of them must have been decent.
 
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