Animal Sacrifice

[satanicprinesss666]

Does anyone who actually practices animal sacrifice, for any reason be open to explain how it works?

 

[giusma]

I just don't becuase animal sacrifice belongs to an archaic religious framework in which life, blood, and exchange with the divine were understood in literal and material terms, and the level consciousness was different from now. Some traditional or reconstructed currents may still include it, but in most cases its function can be understood symbolically or psychologically. If one understands how the mind operates, the “sacrifice” is not the animal it self, but the act of offering, attention, and transformation and it can be done in many ways. My choice in not moralistic, is functional to a specific way to make things, is blood sacrifice is needed I would use mine. Today, reproducing the external form without the underlying cosmology often results in empty imitation rather than effective practice.

 

[Saint]

Animal sacrifice in my eyes (and I have every right to think this way, and reason) is for those who lost (or never truly had) the ability to do decent workings and so they hope their gains comes from killing something instead of them actually succeed in something out of their own.
My Satanist ex thought it will get his curses casted by his cult done on me, until he got wrecked by Lucifer and me for being an idiotic clown who imagined performance and power behind blood thrown around like a lunatic. It cost him his job, his parents, his peace and stability. His sacrifice worth nothing.

Let's approach this from an another perspective. People love giving offerings for many reasons. Let's put aside the bond building out of pure intent and love, and focus on the most common reason; gains. Because for many people, these are simply bargaining chips for results. They believe, the 'greater', the more abundant the offering, the better the result. Offering foods, minerals, incense, oils or things like artistic works made by your own hand does not always feel satisfying for everyone. This is where focusing on life essence comes to the picture; be it blood, or a life.

Truth is? What can be achived 'with blood' and 'animal sacrifice' in magic, can be achived without it. No exceptions. Like it or not.
Sacrificing a living being does not differ much from any other sacrifice, you just offer more is all. It's still up on you and the judgement of the spirit.

Also, here's a thing: in my eyes SACRIFICE is giving something you love, and appreciate, something that does matter to you.
If you throw anything into the way of a spirit for result you have no decent bond with, it is not a sacrifice. Just an offering.

 

[Johny111]

It so happens that I know a little about it, but very little. I know, for example, that roosters are used in necromantic rituals, but also when summoning earth spirits. In fact, the animal is not sacrificed to them, but the spilled animal blood is magically impregnated to serve as a transmitter for messages we send to certain spirits. The rooster is a messenger, he is the one who delivers messages and announces the dawn. Therefore, rooster has the magical power to stand on the border when the forces of the night are strongest, and that is precisely before dawn.

 

[Amadeus]

The first guy who mentioned this topic to me was an orisha practitioner who got initiated in Nigeria. He used roosters, pigeons, goats and even guinea pigs. The man did some rather strange stuff. Occasionally he returned to Nigeria for festivals and some of images looked like there had been a total slaughter fest of animals, probably goats...? I can't remember all the details but a lot of work was done to please Babalu Aye, Ogun, Shango, Ellegua.
I remember watching his collection of images, there weren't always animal sacrifices but also fruits were left somewhere near a river, in a forest.

The explanation, energy being given and taken by the spirits, in order to receive benefits. Energy, the universal currency.

 

[Johny111]

I am somehow convinced that traces of that practice can also be found in some other geographical areas. Also, instead of blood we can impregnate water, so that water becomes the carrier of our messages, and water is poured onto the ground, or into a tomb, just like blood, wine, milk, and similar liquids. Every liquid has a certain property and power.

 

[SkullTraill]

While I don't partake due to moral incompatibility (I don't even like animals that much or put them above humans as many do in modern times -- I just can't stomach ending presumably innocent life to boost my selfish desires), I think it would be an insane folly to assume that the rich history of animal sacrifice/ritual offering (I agree with @Saint's sacrifice vs offering argument) is completely without merit and amounts to ignorance, lack of understanding and/or essentially foolishness. I think the greatest practitioners existed in the past, and I think they had their reasons for performing animal ritual offerings.

Without getting political, even today, I think the most powerful practitioners who enact the greatest changes (especially affecting others) engage in animal, or even human sacrifice (we will not discuss this on WF for legal and moral reasons).

But in addition to the moral issue, the biggest problem I have with animal ritual offerings is that I don't believe they are tools to directly increase the efficacy of the working, but a tool to sever your own ties to humanity and spiritual goodness, which may increase your "power" in some sense, but IMHO comes at a huge cost... which is never going to be worth it for me, for the kind of work I do.

 

[Firetree]

While I don't partake due to moral incompatibility (I don't even like animals that much or put them above humans as many do in modern times -- I just can't stomach ending presumably innocent life to boost my selfish desires), I think it would be an insane folly to assume that the rich history of animal sacrifice/ritual offering (I agree with @Saint's sacrifice vs offering argument) is completely without merit and amounts to ignorance, lack of understanding and/or essentially foolishness. I think the greatest practitioners existed in the past, and I think they had their reasons for performing animal ritual offerings.

Without getting political, even today, I think the most powerful practitioners who enact the greatest changes (especially affecting others) engage in animal, or even human sacrifice (we will not discuss this on WF for legal and moral reasons).

But in addition to the moral issue, the biggest problem I have with animal ritual offerings is that I don't believe they are tools to directly increase the efficacy of the working, but a tool to sever your own ties to humanity and spiritual goodness, which may increase your "power" in some sense, but IMHO comes at a huge cost... which is never going to be worth it for me, for the kind of work I do.

Interesting observation . And it had a huge effect on the world's religions . Banning animal sacrifice ( the taking and offering up of a life ) and substituting it with 'offerings' of food and/or flowers, was one of the major religious innovations that came down into Central Asia and spread west by Zoroastrianism and east by Miwoche ( the 'Central Asian Buddha ' ) into Zang-Zung ( area of modern Tibet ) to reform Bon and SE into India to form Hinduism. From these sources nearly all the world's modern religions evolved

The old religions that got reformed were earlier 'Aryan' Indo - European and practiced animal sacrifice and they were specifically violent and drug fueled 'raid and run ' cultures ... not that concerned with humanity outside their own group and certainly wanting to increase their power over others , in war, and pumped up by drugs and sacrifice blood rituals . The reformers which taught not to sacrifice animals were somewhat the opposite ; they were for building up civilization , supporting and respecting others religions and beliefs and seeing 'power' lying in other areas . Without going too far into this and the change over ( or sharing of Gods in IE cultures ) the opposition between Indra and Varuna highlights this dynamic ;

In the Rig Veda (4.42.1-6), "I, Varuna, am the king; first for me were appointed the dignities of asura, the Lord. I let the dripping waters rise up, and through rta I uphold the sky." ( 'rta' is a concept of cosmic order , much like the Ma'at concept of the Egyptians ) .

While Indra replies, "Men who ride swiftly, having good horses, call on me when surrounded in battle. I, the bountiful Indra, provoke strife. I whirl up the dust, my strength is overwhelming... . No godlike power can check me - I who am unassailable. When draughts of Soma, when songs have made me frenzied, then both the unbounded regions are filled with fear."

 

[ArchonLynx]

Animal sacrifices are not what movies show all u need is a little of there blood,fur,bone,meat you don't have to kill a living animal meat from the store works blood from a butcher works some fur or feathers work bones from roadkill works and so does human blood,spit,sperm,hair it's about the energy attached to the material.

 

[L’chaimGoldberg]

From a European perspective, we see animal sacrifice being practiced historically as a ceremonial feast, the sagas and eddas and other period references like ibn-Fadlan describe animal sacrifice, the women would smear the blood and fat from the animal that was killed on the idols and interior and exterior of the house, and the gothi would sprinkle the attendees with the blood. Then the meat would be boiled and eaten, the boiling having some ritual significance. This was followed by the ceremonial drinking of alcohol, the symbel or sumbel. In these cases the animal sacrifice was not just a killing of the animal just to kill it, which is what I think a lot of people visualize when someone says animal sacrifice.
I’m not sure about the ATR practices but I would imagine they’re probably similar, it would be interesting to hear from some of their practitioners about how they view and physically practice their sacrifices.

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The first guy who mentioned this topic to me was an orisha practitioner who got initiated in Nigeria. He used roosters, pigeons, goats and even guinea pigs. The man did some rather strange stuff. Occasionally he returned to Nigeria for festivals and some of images looked like there had been a total slaughter fest of animals, probably goats...? I can't remember all the details but a lot of work was done to please Babalu Aye, Ogun, Shango, Ellegua.
I remember watching his collection of images, there weren't always animal sacrifices but also fruits were left somewhere near a river, in a forest.

The explanation, energy being given and taken by the spirits, in order to receive benefits. Energy, the universal currency.

Did he say whether they eat the animals they have sacrificed? I don’t know very much about ATR practices and beliefs beyond books, and some of the things I actually saw in Africa, which are obviously different from ATR practiced in the West.