Animal Sacrifice

[satanicprinesss666]

Does anyone who actually practices animal sacrifice, for any reason be open to explain how it works?

 

[Faria]

Does anyone who actually practices animal sacrifice, for any reason be open to explain how it works?

Imagine that there is no butcher counter at the grocery. Where do you get your meat? Traditional societies that move beyond hunting and into farming develop sacrificial rituals to make the transition between livestock and food.

Biblical temple ritual sacrifices fed the priests. The more you sin, the better they would eat. Prophet Daniel refused to eat food that had been sacrificed in the name of idols, so it wasn't just the Hebrews.

Aztecs didn't just murder people they also ate them. With no large herbivores, human meat pozole was how the Aztec elite kept themselves in power.

Sacrifices in Santeria are also eaten.

Point here is that sacrifice is almost never done for "power" or "energy" or any other Hollywood nonsense, it's about making dinner for a community. If you don't already eat livestock you kill on a regular basis, you should probably ignore the idea of ritual sacrifices in your practice.

 

[afflictedWanderer]

Point here is that sacrifice is almost never done for "power" or "energy" or any other Hollywood nonsense, it's about making dinner for a community. If you don't already eat livestock you kill on a regular basis, you should probably ignore the idea of ritual sacrifices in your practice.

Sacrifices in Santeria are also eaten.

A very common misconception... Santeria, is a very urban religion, so is Quimbanda and many other ATRs, do you really think that people in Miami or Sao Paolo sacrifice goats because they don't have grocery stores over there? Or are they too stupid to comprehend the intent of their own traditional practices? This is just racist at this point, speaking for non-western practitioners and making assumptions about them, twisting their culture to fit your narrative.

 

[Faria]

do you really think that people in Miami or Sao Paolo sacrifice goats because they don't have grocery stores over there? Or are they too stupid to comprehend the intent of their own traditional practices? This is just racist at this point, speaking for non-western practitioners and making assumptions about them, twisting their culture to fit your narrative.

LOL Dude, learn to read. Seriously, go back and read my post. Slowly. Out loud if you must. Do you really think that is what I'm saying? LOLOL People say I am confusing, maybe this is one of those cases where I think I'm speaking clearly and yet nobody understands. Somebody else help me here, do you see this racism and accusations of stupidity in my post?

 

[afflictedWanderer]

LOL Dude, learn to read. Seriously, go back and read my post. Slowly. Out loud if you must.

No, I won't do that, who the HELL are you to order me around?

 

[Frater M.M.]

Somebody else help me here, do you see this racism and accusations of stupidity in my post?

I don't, personally. However, afflictedWanderer is correct that you appear to have flattened Santeria a bit in your post -- according to the US Supreme Court's account in Church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye, Inc. v. City of Hialeah (1993), anyway.

The summary basically agrees with part of what you initially wrote: sacrificial animals are generally cooked and eaten, except in certain healing and death rites. However, it's more than just about dinner. It goes on to say sacrifice is a principal form of devotion and that its primary purpose is an offering to the orishas, not food consumption. And related Afro-Brazilian traditions explicitly understand sacrifice in terms of transmitting or replenishing axé, while the remaining meat becomes a communal ritual meal.

 

[Faria]

afflictedWanderer is correct that you appear to have flattened Santeria a bit in your post -

AW did not say that I "flattened" Santeria. I am accused of racism. Do you agree that my statements amount to racism yes or no?

ATR sacrificial traditions arose from food-related activities in the far-distant past, and sacrifices are still connected to food. This is NOT racist.

Opinion: people who never had anything to do with killing animals for food and who have no intention of using sacrificial animals for food should avoid trying to kill animals for energy.

 

[Frater M.M.]

AW did not say that I "flattened" Santeria. I am accused of racism. Do you agree that my statements amount to racism yes or no?

I already answered that in the first sentence: I don’t, personally, think what you wrote was racist.

I also wasn’t claiming afflictedWanderer used the word "flattened". That was my description of the narrower point I thought they were right about. I just wanted to get the discussion back on track because I thought you both had interesting things to say.

 

[afflictedWanderer]

Opinion: people who never had anything to do with killing animals for food and who have no intention of using sacrificial animals for food should avoid trying to kill animals for energy.

In most traditional societies it works exactly the other way around: If you're a hunter or a butcher, you're not a priest, therefore you can't perform animal sacrifice and the rituals related to it. In India, Brahmins and butchers are not merely separate, they're on the opposite sides of the caste spectrum.
Again, you're entitled to your opinion, but don't project it onto ancient traditions and far-away cultures, a Paulistano Babalorixa does not work on a farm, nor does he hunt deer with bow and arrow, in fact he gets most of his food from a store, least he decides to order doordash... but he serves certain spirits, leads certain rites and sanctifies certain objects, that require the ashe (energy) from fresh animal blood, and he kills animals exactly to harvest the energy, because his job is manipulating energy and natural material to invoke spirits, not making burgers. The congregation may sometimes eat the meat left after the rituals, but it's secondary and may not take place at all.