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[Opinion] Apple + M1 chips

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No matter what you say about Apple's lack of extreme customizability and gaming ability... The M1 Apple products are just killing it. They're so good.

I have 2 modes when it comes to technology:
  • Productivity and creativity – get shit done, fast
  • Gaming and enthusiast – have fun, learn about computers
When it comes to productivity and creativity, i.e. when I am doing my work, or creating art etc... nothing can hold a candle to apple products. They are fast as fuck, have features that enable productivity (for example, I can't work without the 3-finger-swipe gesture on my MacBook that let's me quickly switch between fullscreen apps). I also have my iPad air which I use for procreate as a drawing tablet. And obviously for me, a phone is a productivity and utility tool. I have an iPhone and it's fast, super easy to use, and the battery life is amazing. They all work perfectly out of the box, with minor tweaks and adjustments. Almost all available apps work perfectly if I ever need to extend the functionality of these devices. I'm really happy with them.

When it comes to gaming, of course I have my windows 10 gaming PC, which has better gaming performance than the Mac of course, but every year feels clunkier and bloated compared to Macs. It also requires more customization to get it to work the way I want it to. Plus there's lots of annoying and cumbersome things like updating drivers and all that jazz, which I hate.

When I was younger, I used to be a computer enthusiast, and I used to experiment with and install and setup various linux distros... just for fun. I loved the challenge of installing them and customizing them through command line. That phase of my life is over now. Computers are tools for me to get shit done, and I already have a thorough understanding of how they work, and am not super interested in learning more about them... so I practically never touch linux anymore except when it comes to running servers for Minecraft (and other games) and web servers to host websites like CotI and WF.

I honestly wish tomorrow I would wake up and Windows PCs would be completely erased from the world. That way apple can dominate the market and would also be forced to implement better compatibility for games. Servers can still run linux though. That would be the ideal world for me.
 

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No matter what you say about Apple's lack of extreme customizability and gaming ability... The M1 Apple products are just killing it. They're so good.

I have 2 modes when it comes to technology:
  • Productivity and creativity – get shit done, fast
  • Gaming and enthusiast – have fun, learn about computers
When it comes to productivity and creativity, i.e. when I am doing my work, or creating art etc... nothing can hold a candle to apple products. They are fast as fuck, have features that enable productivity (for example, I can't work without the 3-finger-swipe gesture on my MacBook that let's me quickly switch between fullscreen apps). I also have my iPad air which I use for procreate as a drawing tablet. And obviously for me, a phone is a productivity and utility tool. I have an iPhone and it's fast, super easy to use, and the battery life is amazing. They all work perfectly out of the box, with minor tweaks and adjustments. Almost all available apps work perfectly if I ever need to extend the functionality of these devices. I'm really happy with them.

When it comes to gaming, of course I have my windows 10 gaming PC, which has better gaming performance than the Mac of course, but every year feels clunkier and bloated compared to Macs. It also requires more customization to get it to work the way I want it to. Plus there's lots of annoying and cumbersome things like updating drivers and all that jazz, which I hate.

When I was younger, I used to be a computer enthusiast, and I used to experiment with and install and setup various linux distros... just for fun. I loved the challenge of installing them and customizing them through command line. That phase of my life is over now. Computers are tools for me to get shit done, and I already have a thorough understanding of how they work, and am not super interested in learning more about them... so I practically never touch linux anymore except when it comes to running servers for Minecraft (and other games) and web servers to host websites like CotI and WF.

I honestly wish tomorrow I would wake up and Windows PCs would be completely erased from the world. That way apple can dominate the market and would also be forced to implement better compatibility for games. Servers can still run linux though. That would be the ideal world for me.
This....is oddly enough the first time I've ever heard somebody defending Apple from the perspective of a computer person. Tbh, my only beef with Apple is when they try to pull the planned obsolescence stunts. Or, for example, got rid of the iPhone audio jack so you could only use a very specific and delicate cord for non-bluetooth headphones. But other than that, I do love me some worry-free porn browsing. XD
 

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This....is oddly enough the first time I've ever heard somebody defending Apple from the perspective of a computer person. Tbh, my only beef with Apple is when they try to pull the planned obsolescence stunts. Or, for example, got rid of the iPhone audio jack so you could only use a very specific and delicate cord for non-bluetooth headphones. But other than that, I do love me some worry-free porn browsing. XD
I've never been the type to not do something purely out of principle, or purely based on how others feel.

I fully admit, when I was younger, Apple products weren't for me. I desired and needed to tinker with and customize things, and truly that is how I became a computer person. So I will always respect Windows and Linux in that regard.

However, as I grew older, and started working I cared less and less about pointless and trivial "customizations". Money and budget became less of an issue, and what started to matter more was the ability to hit the ground running as fast as possible when buying a piece of tech. To waste less time customizing it and instead be able to just use it to get shit done. That's really where apple shines for me. You take it out of the box and it just works. It's fast. It's not bloated. And the actual OS is 1000x more intuitive to use than Windows. Those aren't really opinions, those are facts. That's the reason most creatives and software professionals such as myself use Macs.

Is it more expensive? Yes. But it's built better. For example, the Galaxy S21 Ultra has like 2x the batter capacity, but only like 5-10% more actual usage time. Why? Because apple has better software, and more optimized hardware that doesn't use as much battery as bloated ass dog shit Android does. It also performs better in low and high temperatures, and the camera is almost as good except for the zoom... but really if you wanted to zoom 20x just get an actual camera :ROFLMAO:

With the M1 chip it just crushes any intel machine for every application except gaming, servers, and super high scale video rendering. And those aren't the target audience anyway.

True, the planned obsolence sucks, but they got smacked for that and it probably won't be too much of an issue in the future. The thing is, Apple products are so great, and are supported for so long, I do understand why they would want to push users to get their newer devices, which also have new features, but yeah, planned obsolecense isn't the way. It's just... it doesn't really affect me because I update most of my devices every 3-5 years and that's before the planned obsolecense kicks in usually.

The headphone jacks aren't planned obsolecense at all. It's just the price of progress. I was mad about it until I switched to airpods and realised how much better it was to just be wireless. You can't live in the past, things change, new technologies are adopted and sure, there might be people who still love old technologies but tough luck, the world doesn't revolve around you. No matter how much you loved the Samsung Galaxy S1, or the SNES, they just aren't going to be produced for such a small demographic.

Plus, the new privacy features are also really great.
 

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I actually like Louis, and I watch a lot of his videos. He's a good guy, and he seems to genuinely care about what he talks about.

In fact, I would actually recommend anyone to watch his videos before buying an Apple product themselves, just to be informed on the history of Apple's many mistakes in the past.

That being said, anyone who watches one person's videos, or even many videos from many people who have the same perspective on Apple and then make sweeping statements like "I have personally never touched anything from apple and never will" is just a different kind of sheep imo. You should always take in to account multiple different perspectives, and combine them proportionately with your own. Because, really, the only experiences you can truly trust are your own.

At the end of the day, half of that video is unapplicable to me, as I've only started using Apple products since 2011. Anything before that literally does not matter. On top of that, Louis is a repairman. Obviously he only experiences Apple products from the perspective of failure. He himself does not use any Apple products, so literally all he sees is failed or broken Apple products. It's very easy to form a confirmation bias when all you do is fix broken Apple products. I see his confirmation bias and I raise him my own confirmation bias, which is that I have owned Apple products since 2011 and every single one of them has worked flawlessly for at least 5 years. 5 years for large hardware (computers) and 3 years for phones is my threshold of how long I expect a product to work, because after that time, even if it worked perfectly, I would want to upgrade for better performance.

Thing is, Apple is one company who owns products that are put in entirely their own class, and judges as such. So whenever Apple makes a mistake, it's an Apple problem, whereas whenever PC manufacturer makes a mistake, it's often blamed on that manufacturer, and not on PCs themselves. Since there are so many PC and PC part manufacturers, it's easy to spread the blame thin, and somehow look at PCs as infallible and perfect, and Apple having many issues. But if you compare the actual statistics for PC and Apple as a whole, you will probably see that Apple makes far, far less mistakes and errors as the PC side of the industry does.

For me, the facts are these:
  • My Apple products have lasted far longer than my friends' and family's non-Apple products.
  • They have remained performant for far longer.
  • I have had way better customer service, and even had free repairs well after Apple Care expired, and non Apple laptops get jack shit Acer gonna fix your laptop? Nah. Lol.
  • They meet my personal threshold of how long a tech product should last before being replaced anyway.
  • Have they made mistakes? Yes. Are they objectively worse and more consistent mistakes than the PC industry? Fuck no. Far from it.
And this is all just about hardware. As I've mentioned in previous posts I find the OS to be much, much more condusive towards a productivity workflow. But I guess that's a matter of opinion.

But yeah, even when it comes to hardware, there's a lot of bias against Apple as I've explained above. They really are quite reliable and durable overall. If not you wouldn't see them being used by actual professionals. Not just teenagers as facebook machines, but by many artists, musicians, software developers and more. And why would I value the opinion of people who have never used Apple products themselves above my own opinion, having actually used them? That would be crazy.
 

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You should always take in to account multiple different perspectives, and combine them proportionately with your own.
Which is exactly what I've done. :D
And my own personal perspective is simply that apple is an obscenely greedy corporation like any other (only caring about their profit margins and not giving a single fuck about consumers), which has created a cult status around itself with marketing and builds glued together boiling piles of garbage at premium prices...
 

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Also, here's another perspective from a working professional, who has used plenty of their products :p
 

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Which is exactly what I've done.
Are you really sure about that? Have you thought about whether you're just cherry-picking and creating an echo chamber of opinions that only resonante with your own? I can't presume this about you, cause I simply can never know. Just asking if you have put enough effort into avoiding that?

And my own personal perspective
What personal perspective though? You have never owned an Apple product by your own admission?

obscenely greedy corporation like any other (only caring about their profit margins and not giving a single fuck about consumers),
True, they are. Just like any other corporation. But that's a discussion about capitalism and not about Apple specifically. All corporations only ever care about profit. There is never any other motivation for a corporation. That's the world we live in. The reason I like Apple is I honestly find them to not be as bad as any other corporation would be if they were in Apple's shoes. PC manufacturers are absolute cunts too! I know someone who burns through cheap Acer and Asus laptops at a rate that means he practically spends as much money per 5 years on laptops as I do.

created a cult status
That's just good marketing :p can't be too mad at them for that haha...

boiling piles of garbage at premium prices
That's what I thought till I used one. They are expensive yes, but you can definitely see where those dollars have gone in terms of R&D, innovation, and premium materials. I gotta say it feels good to hold a slim, sexy, solid chunk of aluminium, as opposed to windows laptops which are generally tacky plastic, and the ones that are metal are basically the same price as Apple.

Also, here's another perspective from a working professional, who has used plenty of their products :p
To be honest, I get where he's coming from with the ports and the adapters, but you can't deny, every time they have changed/upgraded the adapters, it was for a reason too. They have got better with time. The newer ones are almost always (I can think of only one time they weren't) better than the previous adapters. That's the price of progress IMO. It's the same with wired headphone jacks. Time to leave that shit in the past. Wireless is the future. It has to be.

The rest of the video is just honestly garbage. The old man is just upset that things have changed and "aren't how they used to be" that's just some senile elderly-person problems. I would never have those problems. I can easily adapt when software changes, and generally, Apple changes them for the better. For example:
  • He says facetime "doesn't work" because it doesn't record his calls anymore. Wrong. Facetime works, it's a software for making calls, not for recording. He's just mad it doesn't work like he wants it to anymore. There's other, better software for recording, and right now there's a default screen recorder in MacOS Mojave onwards that works easily and perfectly. It's super easy, and doesn't require Quick Time.
  • Him not being able to use QuickTime is just his own technical incompetence. As with any advanced screen recording software, you need to configure it to use the proper audio channels. This is universal, basic knowledge. If you're too dumb for it, press Command + Shift + 5 for the easiest screen recording experience ever known to man. And that's built in to Mac OS.
  • iTunes change... that was just better? Like what's he whining about? Nothing he says in this section makes any sense. Just sounds butthurt that it's not the old iTunes (which was shit, this one is way better - PLUS the newer one thats out right now is EVEN better)
  • He's complaining about the love and rating feature? Really? That just goes to show how garbage this video is. No one who watches this video should be swayed from getting an Apple product because he's literally just complaining about improvements, his own incompetence, and features that he doesn't need but others do, which don't affect him at all.
This video can easily be dismissed as a senile, angry, old, technically incompetent man who's mad that some adapters changed (understandable) and out of rage goes on a rant about other things that are complete non-issues (not understanable). That's why I asked you earlier if you're sure you're not just creating an echo chamber for yourself, and just cherry picking completely garbage opinions to reinforce your own... cause this video is just really non-functional. All it says is some old guy is upset that things are changing and being updated, and he's frustrated about some ports changing... nothing really solid that legitimately shows Apple is doing something bad intentionally.
 

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The headphone jacks aren't planned obsolecense at all. It's just the price of progress. I was mad about it until I switched to airpods and realised how much better it was to just be wireless. You can't live in the past, things change, new technologies are adopted and sure, there might be people who still love old technologies but tough luck, the world doesn't revolve around you. No matter how much you loved the Samsung Galaxy S1, or the SNES, they just aren't going to be produced for such a small demographic.
The thing is, when I listen to stuff at work that can cause problems for me. Because I'm outside and not able to access an outlet for hours at a time, bluetooth drains a fairly considerable amount of battery over said time. It may be because I have an older phone at 70% the battery capacity it had when it was new, but either way, it makes using bluetooth earbuds at work more of a pain in the ass than they're worth. My phone battery will barely last half a shift if I wanna keep it over 30%. (which is recommended, as to not risk damaging battery health further) Maybe that'll be solved when I get a new one soon, idk. Will wonder how I'm gonna yank out the earbuds like I did before to address customers, though, like would I just put the thing in my pocket super quick? Sleight of hand so the boomers don't get upset? I know this is a really petty problem all the way around, but I really just generally hate changing my routine at all. 😆
 

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The thing is, when I listen to stuff at work that can cause problems for me. Because I'm outside and not able to access an outlet for hours at a time, bluetooth drains a fairly considerable amount of battery over said time. It may be because I have an older phone at 70% the battery capacity it had when it was new, but either way, it makes using bluetooth earbuds at work more of a pain in the ass than they're worth. My phone battery will barely last half a shift if I wanna keep it over 30%. (which is recommended, as to not risk damaging battery health further) Maybe that'll be solved when I get a new one soon, idk. Will wonder how I'm gonna yank out the earbuds like I did before to address customers, though, like would I just put the thing in my pocket super quick? Sleight of hand so the boomers don't get upset? I know this is a really petty problem all the way around, but I really just generally hate changing my routine at all. 😆
What phone do you have though? My iPhone easily lasts 24h with heavy use, and 48h with light use (still including using bluetooth and listening to music)... That being said I only listen to about 4 hours of music a day through the airpods, so if you wanted more it actually would run out of battery (for listening at a stretch, if you took breaks, they would charge when you put them in the airpods case, so you'd get like 20h of listening time).

If all that's not enough then I guess you don't really fall into the 'average consumer' category, which is what Apple and every other brands' flagship phone targets (remember how they ALL took out the headphone jack after apple did? It's not for any reason except to push people to use wireless, because that's what they want to progress to).

And all of this is just the phone... the M1 macbooks... mmm babyyy they goood.

As for the earbuds, I like to take them out of my ears, put them in the case, and snap them shut loudly :ROFLMAO:
 

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What phone do you have though? My iPhone easily lasts 24h with heavy use, and 48h with light use (still including using bluetooth and listening to music)... That being said I only listen to about 4 hours of music a day through the airpods, so if you wanted more it actually would run out of battery (for listening at a stretch, if you took breaks, they would charge when you put them in the airpods case, so you'd get like 20h of listening time).

If all that's not enough then I guess you don't really fall into the 'average consumer' category, which is what Apple and every other brands' flagship phone targets (remember how they ALL took out the headphone jack after apple did? It's not for any reason except to push people to use wireless, because that's what they want to progress to).

And all of this is just the phone... the M1 macbooks... mmm babyyy they goood.

As for the earbuds, I like to take them out of my ears, put them in the case, and snap them shut loudly :ROFLMAO:
Lol ya, I'm still on iPhone 7. I inherited it from my mom when she upgraded hers to iPhone 8. Been procrastinating to upgrade for a good while, but am looking at doing so soon.

The other thing that might be draining battery is that I'm using youtube to listen, at least when I'm listening to music and not podcasts. That means I can't lock the screen. (I would rather die than upgrade to premium, matter of stubborn pride lmao) I dim the screen all the way, though, and that helps tremendously. But still only so much you can do. I know I could switch to Spotify, but tbh I'm too picky. I've seen that Spotify still lacks quite a bit of stuff that I listen to on YouTube.
 

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@SkullTraill You keep saying: "innovations, innovations" I say - pretentious bullshit. I couldn't care less how "slim and sexy" a device is, that's just fashion which infuriates me to no end tbh. They're compromising things that actually matter like battery life for irrelevant shit like slimmer devices. I would never get behind that kind of philosophy. Also their devices are prohibitively expensive, to the point where I couldn't even hope to afford one. And if I could, I would be spending that money on other things. My current secondhand tower cost me 400eu, sure isn't "latest and greatest" but it doesn't need to be. It's perfectly fine for me and my uses and I have the option to upgrade components in time if I feel the need to.
Now in a professional use case like the studio, changing port standards is a huge fucking deal. Because the last thing you want is having to buy an entirely new system every few years, reinstall everything, THEN buy a new audio interface that has whatever fucking port they come out with next, that isn't backwards compatible. And also - fuck wireless crap! If I can't plug my proper studio cans in - I'm not interested! I despise all earbuds in general, with their dogshit audio quality, not to mention a lot of people keep loosing one or both of those fucking overpriced pieces of plastic.. Wires, baby! Love that shit. :D
 

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Lol ya, I'm still on iPhone 7. I inherited it from my mom when she upgraded hers to iPhone 8. Been procrastinating to upgrade for a good while, but am looking at doing so soon.

The other thing that might be draining battery is that I'm using youtube to listen, at least when I'm listening to music and not podcasts. That means I can't lock the screen. (I would rather die than upgrade to premium, matter of stubborn pride lmao) I dim the screen all the way, though, and that helps tremendously. But still only so much you can do. I know I could switch to Spotify, but tbh I'm too picky. I've seen that Spotify still lacks quite a bit of stuff that I listen to on YouTube.
I think it's mainly the youtube thing, cause it's a google app, probs wastes a lot of battery even when you dim the screen :p but nah in all seriousness the biggest drain on the phone is the screen always. Try spotify or apple music! The sound quality is also better on them, though I guess that's only relevant if you have good headphones.

@SkullTraill You keep saying: "innovations, innovations" I say - pretentious bullshit. I couldn't care less how "slim and sexy" a device is, that's just fashion which infuriates me to no end tbh. They're compromising things that actually matter like battery life for irrelevant shit like slimmer devices. I would never get behind that kind of philosophy. Also their devices are prohibitively expensive, to the point where I couldn't even hope to afford one. And if I could, I would be spending that money on other things. My current secondhand tower cost me 400eu, sure isn't "latest and greatest" but it doesn't need to be. It's perfectly fine for me and my uses and I have the option to upgrade components in time if I feel the need to.
Now in a professional use case like the studio, changing port standards is a huge fucking deal. Because the last thing you want is having to buy an entirely new system every few years, reinstall everything, THEN buy a new audio interface that has whatever fucking port they come out with next, that isn't backwards compatible. And also - fuck wireless crap! If I can't plug my proper studio cans in - I'm not interested! I despise all earbuds in general, with their dogshit audio quality, not to mention a lot of people keep loosing one or both of those fucking overpriced pieces of plastic.. Wires, baby! Love that shit. :D
Well I don't know what to say. For me and most people, devices getting slimmer, sleeker, lighter (to a point) is generally a good thing. It's certainly not pretentious/purely fashion. Slimness is utility because it makes it easier to carry around. And if the battery lasts over a day that's good enough for me. Not to mention, there's loads of actual innovations, for example the gesture system that the apple trackpad uses which while they might not be useful for you, many people including myself find invaluable in the same way you find some old port to be invaluable.

Also lots of great things are prohibitively expensive, doesn't make them objectively bad. You'll never get the same performance and experience from a $600 laptop that you would with even an M1 MacBook air (for most use cases). Don't forget, making things smaller, slimmer, and lighter is really expensive.

I get that there are studio equipment that's made for certain ports. You can't let that prevent a manufacturer from manufacturing something better. Apple is never a company to dwell on the past and will always replace outdated technology with newer, better technologies. That's why I like them. Studio use is somewhat of an edge case, and I really can't see how having to use a 3rd party adapter is such a big problem. It would be the exact same situation with most Windows laptops that aren't engineered specifically to cater to an edge case. Apple is never going to produce devices with 10s of outdated ports for backwards compatibility, especially when you can get an adapter to do it easily via their 2 superior usb-c ports.

Studio cans are great for a laptop or a PC, and apple laptops and computers let you plug in wired headphones. Only a clown would want to plug in studio headphones while on the train, which is why phones (not just apple ones) are dropping the wired jack ports like a sack of hot shit.

I think in your case, you're more of the whole retro, technopunk kind of vibe, which is definitely not what Apple is going for... so I completely understand why you or certain individuals with niche use cases such as plugging in older studio equipment would want to steer clear of Apple products, which are focusing more on the future than the past with lightweight, slim, sleek designs, unencumbered by old and outdated ports that 90% of people would not use, But that doesn't make it objectively bad.

You've got to accept that what you need and desire is not what everyone needs and desires. So in the case of these outdated ports and fixation on wired technology, it's true that Apple may not be for you... but it is great in other ways (as things I have mentioned above with regards to sleekness but also the OS having great inbuilt and productivity tools) which is the actual reason many normal people buy apple products... you can't just claim it's cult-following or something like that when this many people use their products. They actually fit what most people need.
 

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You've got to accept that what you need and desire is not what everyone needs and desires. So in the case of these outdated ports and fixation on wired technology, it's true that Apple may not be for you...
Well that's exactly the case, I simply voiced my opinion, the same way you did in this thread ;)
 

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Well that's exactly the case, I simply voiced my opinion, the same way you did in this thread ;)
That's totally fair then ;) it's just that 2nd video and the way you said it was pretentious bullshit and the way you described apple (cult following etc) gave me the impression that you were trying to say no one should be using apple and it's a complete scam... when in reality, for most people it's actually a great device, with great productivity tools, build quality, ease of use and user experience. Does it cater to everyone? Definitely not. One company really can't be expected to cater to everyone... Is there some Karen in Los Angeles who uses a MacBook as a facebook machine and claims it's awesome because of some cult-mindset? Maybe... but that's a minority.

My point was that most people actually use Apple products for a good reason :)
 

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I do watch LTT and I've seen how everyone is so excited about this whole M1 thing... but I don't really fucking get it, because - isn't ARM 32bit only?
 

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I must say, I started with. commodore 64 which had interesting features, and by the time I was taking an Assembly Language course, I loved the 8086 and 8088 processors, so easy to program assembly and the MS DOS debug program came in handy.
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The one nice thing about windows is when you delete a file, it's not gone despite what you think, as opposed to apple/Mac, or Unix or Linux, when you remove a file it's history.
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