Are you trying to win the lottery with magic?

[SeekerPS]

Approximately 300,000 to 500,000 people win some kind of lottery prize every day worldwide, but let's say you are not aiming for winning just $50-$500, let's say that you want the millions, right? In 8.1 Billion people, approximately 2-3 persons daily become millionaires thanks to lottery. That’s still less than 1 in 5 million chance even after a year of daily play.


So, let's assume you are a magician, you can cheat probabilities, Don't you? After all, mathematically speaking, the chance still exists. It's not impossible. If you can make your crush fall in love into you, or win that job you dream of, why wouldn't you be able to win the lottery?

In my personal experience, I have used NAP with modest success (I got a better job but after some time) and I have used goetic spirits for naughty things (mainly love/sex related and curses). But I have tried the NAP spell for winning contest without any result that could say it is remotely working. I have been toying with the idea of trying something more complex, but I'm still gathering the equipment.

I would like to know your experiences, if you have, or your insights, if you have any, about this topic. Some people says that chances are too low, but, at the end of the day, each day, at least 1 person wins the lottery in the world. Other says that you are competing against other magicians, to which, at least from my experience, I would say we are not so packed up geographically as for that to really impact and the worst that could happen is a shared prize by 2-3 practitioners. A lot of people are armchair magicians and don't practice, etc etc. The last argument I have seen is about Karma, but that seems ridiculous to me, you are not doing any evil by playing the lottery.

 

[Faria]

I was once given the six numbers of the Washington State lottery in a dream, after requesting them with a spell involving the Kamea of Venus. Despite getting the numbers, I was unable to get a ticket, and in the dream it was explained to me that I was only allowed to know the numbers because I had no way to use them.

I was never into Lotto, then or now, and have probably spent less than $20 in my life trying to guess the Mega money numbers, but why not at least try, right? So I did, and have no expectation that further spells would lead to different results.

 

[Morell]

I was thinking about it few times and came to conclusion that it's not worth it. Even if I would spend them well, It would be on price of too many people being jealous of me and that could have bad consequences, possibly worse than not winning at all.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

My view is that you can only magically increase your chances of anything. So even if you double your chances, that's still 1 in 2.5 million for a year's play. For contrast, you have something like a 1 in 350 chance of being killed in a car crash in your lifetime.

So you can agonise about what would happen if you won all you like. It's still almost impossible.

 

[Amadeus]

I have been messing around with this for a long time.

I got some results, unfortunately very far from the 100K-1M+ goal.

One time I requested to know the exact time when to buy the ticket, I also asked for big wins, many small but precise requests. I combined a bunch of stuff to attempt to hit a big one. At around 9-11pm I suddenly got a strong desire to go on a local website to get a ticket. The result 100€. I think the ticket cost 2€. This was some weekly lottery, not a scratch card.

There was a case where I managed to hit about 350. Some more results 100-200. Some weeks several tickets together got a few hundred.

Then I decided to go for slot machines, online. I noticed that getting wins at slots was much easier than something like eurojackpot. During some sessions I could feel the game names coming out of nowhere and when I went there something happened. 100-3000x the bet. While it seems like a lot, the bet sizes were small, 0.20, 0.25, 0.3. There were some jackpots around 500€.

The strangest results I got were in poker flip tournaments. I wanted to win the main prize. A flip tournament is where hands get played over and over again until there is just 1 person left. Each table 9 players 1 winner. Next table, next next next. I was able to get a couple of first places from 1000-2000 players which gave me either a cash prize or some special poker ticket.

I did a lot of experiments with this, all the time, but I decided to quit playing slot machines and here's why. When you are stacking energy and doing this in the supercharged state, there's something really detrimental that it does to your psyche. I'm not sure how to describe it but it seems to "overclock" something inside your mind. This doesn't happen with lotteries but the long gaming sessions where you play slot machines lead to really bad effects. Overclocking, overloading, brain in a wired hype overly excited state. Playing, winning, losing, winning, not being sure how to proceed. It's very difficult to understand when to leave and how long to keep going. The general strategy I used was to start from low 0.20-0.30 and to increase the bet to 0.50 1 1.5 2 or 2.5+ € per spin. The gambling method is very hard to control, you go far and deep into it and might lose control. It requires very special states.

Those results of 100 to 1000+ were very helpful, depending on where you live it can be a quite nice stack.

Somebody told me about using a grimoire based method that combines together Clauneck, Minoson, Bune, Bethor, Nitika, Asmoday, which led to a significantly high result. I'm not exactly sure how he worded the requests. There's probably somebody on the forums who knows more about this subject.

Another guy used to do this in the casinos with success but the self control started disappearing, low bets, quick 300-1000 but then he threw most of it back in, walked away with some profits though. it became nearly impossible to handle it, as if a gate had been opened, pendulum swung in the right way and then started going in the other direction.

I never gave up on the weekly lotteries, still going for it. It's a goal and I will keep attempting.

 

[SeekerPS]

Somebody told me about using a grimoire based method that combines together Clauneck, Minoson, Bune, Bethor, Nitika, Asmoday, which led to a significantly high result. I'm not exactly sure how he worded the requests. There's probably somebody on the forums who knows more about this subject.


I never gave up on the weekly lotteries, still going for it. It's a goal and I will keep attempting.

Well i'm preparing for something with Bune, but, in the Stellas Daemonum says the bes astrological timing is:

when Sol, Mercury, and Venus are transiting their respective decans of Virgo, with Mercury's residence at any point of that sign being useful, as are the observations of the days and hours of Sol, Mercury, and Venus when the Sun is in the Southern Quarter and Virgo is on the Midheaven. The Moon's transits with the above decans are also beneficial when she is forming aspects with their governors, while her position in the thirteenth and fourteenth manzils can be of use if no such aspects are formed.

So at the end of August (sun in first decan of virgo) i will try something, i hope to get all the ingredients and preparations right and see what happens

 

[SkullTraill]

My view is that you can only magically increase your chances of anything. So even if you double your chances, that's still 1 in 2.5 million for a year's play. For contrast, you have something like a 1 in 350 chance of being killed in a car crash in your lifetime.

So you can agonise about what would happen if you won all you like. It's still almost impossible.

This. Why would I double my chances to win the lottery and still probably lose, when with the same effort I can double my chances to get a job or land a contract and pretty much guarantee it.

Yeah, the lottery is a lot more money up front, but on balance it’s more work per dollar to actually win it with magick.

 

[cormundum]

The simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority of us have mental blocks surrounding the lottery and using magick to win it.

Most people have a subconscious impulse that money from lottery or other gambling is "dirty" or "bad" somehow, and they accept wholeheartedly the Adamic curse from Genesis, "By the sweat of thy brow shalt thou eat bread." This includes most magicians, no matter how into alt-religion or whatever they are. Work is considered virtuous in some way compared to having money just fall into your lap. This creates a blockage.

The amounts of money are viewed as too large or too difficult, due to the association of "money" with "work," so the entire approach to winning the lottery magickally ends up being predicated on this idea that labor=value, which is a Marxist concept that has infected every part of our society. So instead of just declaring one's will to win the lottery, the issue becomes "I need to do a lot of magick to win the lottery."

The last bit lines up with the energetic model approach that is mainstream among everybody, even non-practitioners. One can't just magick up what they want, they have to have the right amount of "energy" and "force" to "alter their chances." Crowley in Magick Without Tears talks about the concept that chance doesn't exist: either the ball lands on red, or it lands on black. The chances are 100/100 that it will land where it does, and the magician can influence that or just outright change it through magick.

This is all ignoring the general trend towards explaining this of "it can't be done," usually by grifters who are trying to sell you their fake and lame courses.

In short, I encourage this line of experimentation. I imagine you will probably be bound to secrecy one way or another if you do manage to win big. Don't let the naysayers here and in other magickal forums influence you from going for the millions. There's no reason according to magickal principles why you can't do it. Agrippa himself writes that it is we who manifest magickal changes in the universe through the bit of God within us, not spirits or psychological archetypes or any of that bullshit. We just have to figure out the approach that works best with our spiritual natures.