Are you trying to win the lottery with magic?

[SeekerPS]

Approximately 300,000 to 500,000 people win some kind of lottery prize every day worldwide, but let's say you are not aiming for winning just $50-$500, let's say that you want the millions, right? In 8.1 Billion people, approximately 2-3 persons daily become millionaires thanks to lottery. That’s still less than 1 in 5 million chance even after a year of daily play.


So, let's assume you are a magician, you can cheat probabilities, Don't you? After all, mathematically speaking, the chance still exists. It's not impossible. If you can make your crush fall in love into you, or win that job you dream of, why wouldn't you be able to win the lottery?

In my personal experience, I have used NAP with modest success (I got a better job but after some time) and I have used goetic spirits for naughty things (mainly love/sex related and curses). But I have tried the NAP spell for winning contest without any result that could say it is remotely working. I have been toying with the idea of trying something more complex, but I'm still gathering the equipment.

I would like to know your experiences, if you have, or your insights, if you have any, about this topic. Some people says that chances are too low, but, at the end of the day, each day, at least 1 person wins the lottery in the world. Other says that you are competing against other magicians, to which, at least from my experience, I would say we are not so packed up geographically as for that to really impact and the worst that could happen is a shared prize by 2-3 practitioners. A lot of people are armchair magicians and don't practice, etc etc. The last argument I have seen is about Karma, but that seems ridiculous to me, you are not doing any evil by playing the lottery.

 

[Faria]

I was once given the six numbers of the Washington State lottery in a dream, after requesting them with a spell involving the Kamea of Venus. Despite getting the numbers, I was unable to get a ticket, and in the dream it was explained to me that I was only allowed to know the numbers because I had no way to use them.

I was never into Lotto, then or now, and have probably spent less than $20 in my life trying to guess the Mega money numbers, but why not at least try, right? So I did, and have no expectation that further spells would lead to different results.

 

[Morell]

I was thinking about it few times and came to conclusion that it's not worth it. Even if I would spend them well, It would be on price of too many people being jealous of me and that could have bad consequences, possibly worse than not winning at all.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

My view is that you can only magically increase your chances of anything. So even if you double your chances, that's still 1 in 2.5 million for a year's play. For contrast, you have something like a 1 in 350 chance of being killed in a car crash in your lifetime.

So you can agonise about what would happen if you won all you like. It's still almost impossible.

 

[Amadeus]

I have been messing around with this for a long time.

I got some results, unfortunately very far from the 100K-1M+ goal.

One time I requested to know the exact time when to buy the ticket, I also asked for big wins, many small but precise requests. I combined a bunch of stuff to attempt to hit a big one. At around 9-11pm I suddenly got a strong desire to go on a local website to get a ticket. The result 100€. I think the ticket cost 2€. This was some weekly lottery, not a scratch card.

There was a case where I managed to hit about 350. Some more results 100-200. Some weeks several tickets together got a few hundred.

Then I decided to go for slot machines, online. I noticed that getting wins at slots was much easier than something like eurojackpot. During some sessions I could feel the game names coming out of nowhere and when I went there something happened. 100-3000x the bet. While it seems like a lot, the bet sizes were small, 0.20, 0.25, 0.3. There were some jackpots around 500€.

The strangest results I got were in poker flip tournaments. I wanted to win the main prize. A flip tournament is where hands get played over and over again until there is just 1 person left. Each table 9 players 1 winner. Next table, next next next. I was able to get a couple of first places from 1000-2000 players which gave me either a cash prize or some special poker ticket.

I did a lot of experiments with this, all the time, but I decided to quit playing slot machines and here's why. When you are stacking energy and doing this in the supercharged state, there's something really detrimental that it does to your psyche. I'm not sure how to describe it but it seems to "overclock" something inside your mind. This doesn't happen with lotteries but the long gaming sessions where you play slot machines lead to really bad effects. Overclocking, overloading, brain in a wired hype overly excited state. Playing, winning, losing, winning, not being sure how to proceed. It's very difficult to understand when to leave and how long to keep going. The general strategy I used was to start from low 0.20-0.30 and to increase the bet to 0.50 1 1.5 2 or 2.5+ € per spin. The gambling method is very hard to control, you go far and deep into it and might lose control. It requires very special states.

Those results of 100 to 1000+ were very helpful, depending on where you live it can be a quite nice stack.

Somebody told me about using a grimoire based method that combines together Clauneck, Minoson, Bune, Bethor, Nitika, Asmoday, which led to a significantly high result. I'm not exactly sure how he worded the requests. There's probably somebody on the forums who knows more about this subject.

Another guy used to do this in the casinos with success but the self control started disappearing, low bets, quick 300-1000 but then he threw most of it back in, walked away with some profits though. it became nearly impossible to handle it, as if a gate had been opened, pendulum swung in the right way and then started going in the other direction.

I never gave up on the weekly lotteries, still going for it. It's a goal and I will keep attempting.

 

[SeekerPS]

Somebody told me about using a grimoire based method that combines together Clauneck, Minoson, Bune, Bethor, Nitika, Asmoday, which led to a significantly high result. I'm not exactly sure how he worded the requests. There's probably somebody on the forums who knows more about this subject.


I never gave up on the weekly lotteries, still going for it. It's a goal and I will keep attempting.

Well i'm preparing for something with Bune, but, in the Stellas Daemonum says the bes astrological timing is:

when Sol, Mercury, and Venus are transiting their respective decans of Virgo, with Mercury's residence at any point of that sign being useful, as are the observations of the days and hours of Sol, Mercury, and Venus when the Sun is in the Southern Quarter and Virgo is on the Midheaven. The Moon's transits with the above decans are also beneficial when she is forming aspects with their governors, while her position in the thirteenth and fourteenth manzils can be of use if no such aspects are formed.

So at the end of August (sun in first decan of virgo) i will try something, i hope to get all the ingredients and preparations right and see what happens

 

[SkullTraill]

My view is that you can only magically increase your chances of anything. So even if you double your chances, that's still 1 in 2.5 million for a year's play. For contrast, you have something like a 1 in 350 chance of being killed in a car crash in your lifetime.

So you can agonise about what would happen if you won all you like. It's still almost impossible.

This. Why would I double my chances to win the lottery and still probably lose, when with the same effort I can double my chances to get a job or land a contract and pretty much guarantee it.

Yeah, the lottery is a lot more money up front, but on balance it’s more work per dollar to actually win it with magick.

 

[cormundum]

The simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority of us have mental blocks surrounding the lottery and using magick to win it.

Most people have a subconscious impulse that money from lottery or other gambling is "dirty" or "bad" somehow, and they accept wholeheartedly the Adamic curse from Genesis, "By the sweat of thy brow shalt thou eat bread." This includes most magicians, no matter how into alt-religion or whatever they are. Work is considered virtuous in some way compared to having money just fall into your lap. This creates a blockage.

The amounts of money are viewed as too large or too difficult, due to the association of "money" with "work," so the entire approach to winning the lottery magickally ends up being predicated on this idea that labor=value, which is a Marxist concept that has infected every part of our society. So instead of just declaring one's will to win the lottery, the issue becomes "I need to do a lot of magick to win the lottery."

The last bit lines up with the energetic model approach that is mainstream among everybody, even non-practitioners. One can't just magick up what they want, they have to have the right amount of "energy" and "force" to "alter their chances." Crowley in Magick Without Tears talks about the concept that chance doesn't exist: either the ball lands on red, or it lands on black. The chances are 100/100 that it will land where it does, and the magician can influence that or just outright change it through magick.

This is all ignoring the general trend towards explaining this of "it can't be done," usually by grifters who are trying to sell you their fake and lame courses.

In short, I encourage this line of experimentation. I imagine you will probably be bound to secrecy one way or another if you do manage to win big. Don't let the naysayers here and in other magickal forums influence you from going for the millions. There's no reason according to magickal principles why you can't do it. Agrippa himself writes that it is we who manifest magickal changes in the universe through the bit of God within us, not spirits or psychological archetypes or any of that bullshit. We just have to figure out the approach that works best with our spiritual natures.

 

[SeekerPS]

Well I will revisit this thread just to say what im planning to do

the plan A is a contract with Astaroth for getting the winning number.

If that doesn’t work, the idea is to evoke bune after buying a ticket and ask it to make my ticket the winning one.

I think the first option is the easiest one, but less reliable since it depends on communication directly with the spirit.

 

[astralmagickcraft]

Imagine you could triple your odds! Now instead of one in 6 million, it's one in 2.

Still not worth it imo

I developed a technique that let me win 80% at roulette though as anything above 50 is a win.

People mentally scream the winning color in their minds, which means they are shouting it in the astral.

This means all I need to do is quiet my mind and sense out a bit into the future, and bet on whatever I hear.

 

[Lurker]

I tried divining for the winning Power Ball numbers a couple of weeks ago using tarot, but it didn't work. I used fire for the tens digit and earth for the ones digit. In retrospect, that was probably backwards. Earth has more inertia and the tens digit changes more slowly, so I should have tried Earth for the tens digit and Fire for the ones digit. But the numbers I drew wouldn't have matched that way either.

I tried something else for last night's Mega Millions drawing. I matched one number and the Mega Ball, and it was a 2x ticket, so I won $14. Subtract the $2 for the Power Ball ticket and $5 for the Mega Millions ticket and I have a net profit of $7. That's enough to refine this method and try a few more draws.

 

[MacLu69]

I played in New York lottery used a bracelet with 6 genies with believers and non-believers. Amazing drowning from was obtained after some time I received a picture on the internal magic screen...It was almost impossible to win there, because the combination was very complicated, and they changed every second. The super wheels were spinning, spinning. And what would fall out the next second was difficult to say even to the genies from the astral plane...The maximum that you could win was 21 bucks, 5 bucks, one buck. For small wins, this is a certain law of compensation or a cosmic law of this balance, so that the player always remains with his own.

 

[PinealisGlandia]

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is relevant to this thread. To briefly summarize, it's a woman who has visions and dreams of lottery tickets and slot machines before she wins the jackpot on them. She plays the specific games she dreams or has visions of, and she wins. In the video she gives some advice for encouraging these sorts of dreams, she's certainly of the opinion that others can learn to do the same thing. The interviewer also had a dream about winning the lottery before he won it. So to answer the OP's implicit question, people do use magic to win the lottery and it is possible.

The interviewee's website link doesn't work anymore, but she mentions being into tarot since she was 7 and she does "readings" for others, whatever that entails. So this is definitely an occult-minded lottery winner speaking on the subject.

 

[Faria]

To briefly summarize, it's a woman who has visions and dreams of lottery tickets and slot machines before she wins the jackpot on them.

Cornelia Walker Bailey's account of life on Sapelo Island speaks about getting lotto numbers in a dream, although in her case the game was called bolito. It's not remotely an occult book, but if you want to read about a small society in which these sorts of beliefs are customary and widely shared rather than fringe lore, check out "God, Dr. Buzzard, and the Bolito Man." She goes into a rather long anecdote about the impact of Root in their society and the role it played in power struggles otherwise bound by race. The title refers to the island as dominated by their adoptive Christian faith, their rootwork and other customs imported from West Africa, and The Bolito Man who visits in your dreams and gives you the winning lotto numbers. The three title figures were, in her opinion, the ways people could upset their fate-bestowed fortunes.

 

[FireBorn]

My view? This isn’t how magick works, like at all. And I don’t say that from cynicism. I say that from experience.

If magick worked the way pop-occult TikTok or Law of Attraction fans claim, where you just "intend" hard enough and the universe hands you millions, this forum would be full of millionaires. Ferraris. Empires. Harems. Right? But it’s not. Because that’s not the current. That’s wishful thinking, not magickal operation.

Can demons give you everything you want? Yes—and no.

Yes, because they are divine intelligences with capacities and reach far beyond what we have. No, because there are Universal Principles that they don’t violate. What demons can do, what they love to do, is burn away what doesn’t belong in you. They’ll purge the weakness, the self-sabotage, the lies you tell yourself. They’ll make you become the man who can earn a Ferrari, and not destroy it with his unresolved bullshit. But they’re not ATMs. They’re initiators.

I think a lot of modern occultists short-sheeted the bed. They treat grimoires like recipe books instead of what they really are: windows into entirely different worldviews. Those spirits weren’t just summoned. They were participated in. The magick was in the whole life of the operator, not just in the ritual.

I question a lot of these “success” stories too. Someone lights a candle for money and then their cousin pays back a loan. Cool. But that’s not magick. That’s probability. That’s math. When you start making excuses for why it didn’t work, or you need to believe it must’ve worked somehow just so your worldview doesn’t collapse, that’s not spiritual maturity. That’s cope.

Most of the lottery/manifestation crowd isn’t doing magick. They’re doing emotional projection, packaged with just enough ritual to feel like power.
Magick doesn’t live in that shallow space. It never did.

Great examples of magicians who used magick successfully that we can model:

Jimmy Page, Bruce Dickinson, Danny Carey, James Maynard Keenen, lots more.

All of those guys are deep into the occult. They all used magick. They all still had to put in the work, they bled for it. The long painful, mundane work. They reaped the rewards. Sorry, no short cuts in the way someone promised. Magick isn’t the problem. The lies that got sold to you are. YMMV

 

[Robert Ramsay]

My view? This isn’t how magick works, like at all. And I don’t say that from cynicism. I say that from experience.

If magick worked the way pop-occult TikTok or Law of Attraction fans claim, where you just "intend" hard enough and the universe hands you millions, this forum would be full of millionaires. Ferraris. Empires. Harems. Right? But it’s not. Because that’s not the current. That’s wishful thinking, not magickal operation.

Can demons give you everything you want? Yes—and no.

Yes, because they are divine intelligences with capacities and reach far beyond what we have. No, because there are Universal Principles that they don’t violate. What demons can do, what they love to do, is burn away what doesn’t belong in you. They’ll purge the weakness, the self-sabotage, the lies you tell yourself. They’ll make you become the man who can earn a Ferrari, and not destroy it with his unresolved bullshit. But they’re not ATMs. They’re initiators.

I think a lot of modern occultists short-sheeted the bed. They treat grimoires like recipe books instead of what they really are: windows into entirely different worldviews. Those spirits weren’t just summoned. They were participated in. The magick was in the whole life of the operator, not just in the ritual.

I question a lot of these “success” stories too. Someone lights a candle for money and then their cousin pays back a loan. Cool. But that’s not magick. That’s probability. That’s math. When you start making excuses for why it didn’t work, or you need to believe it must’ve worked somehow just so your worldview doesn’t collapse, that’s not spiritual maturity. That’s cope.

Most of the lottery/manifestation crowd isn’t doing magick. They’re doing emotional projection, packaged with just enough ritual to feel like power.
Magick doesn’t live in that shallow space. It never did.

Great examples of magicians who used magick successfully that we can model:

Jimmy Page, Bruce Dickinson, Danny Carey, James Maynard Keenen, lots more.

All of those guys are deep into the occult. They all used magick. They all still had to put in the work, they bled for it. The long painful, mundane work. They reaped the rewards. Sorry, no short cuts in the way someone promised. Magick isn’t the problem. The lies that got sold to you are. YMMV

This is super interesting to me. I've defined magic as "the engineering of coincidence" or "being lucky on purpose" but, as you point out, you need to do a shedload of actual work to progress beyond the "recipe book" mentality. However you do that work, demons or whatever, your description of "burning away" is spot on. As Crowley loved to thunder: "What is your True Will?" I think this is the main problem; most people don't know what they actually want, and need to put in lots of work to find out what that is.

"The magick was in the whole life of the operator, not just in the ritual." is one of the best summings-up I've seen in a while

wrt the tik-tok'ers etc. I usually characterise this as "magical thinking without the magical training" same as that kind of business bullshit where the useless manager thinks that if he can just find the right set of buzzwords, everything will turn out great

However, no matter how shallow and untrained they are, it's still possible for "a stopped clock to be right twice a day"
Synchonicity, IMO, is randomised magic. Unlikely things without a specific intent. Yes, your taxi cab had the same number as the last digits of your phone humber, but so what?

I say this, coming from the view that magick is a function of human consciousness, a side-effect of the fact we are conscious at all. But again, just as normal consciousness requires training, the magical function does too.

 

[Asteriskos]

The "lottery" functions in the macrocosm, that said, any one microcosm (you, me, they, them) would have a tough time due to the sheer enormity of all the factors involved, as others have mentioned. I would first recommend your favorite form of divination prior to buying a ticket.

 

[cormundum]

I think it's funny how every naysayer in this thread has echoed precisely the assumptions that I mentioned in my post.

"It doesn't work that way."
"Too many other people vying for it."
"Demons won't help you get what you want, instead they'll put you through religious training just like angels or the Church and you'll still end up with nothing and also lose your soul to Hell for rejecting the True God."

Et al.

Even Agrippa says it all comes down to what we genuinely believe is possible in Book I of his Occult Philosophy. Most of you guys don't believe, so you don't see it. I'm not saying I'm so much better or anything, but shitting on somebody else for trying something is just what almost all "magickal teachers" have been doing for years at this point and it's a very lowly way to approach these concerns. Let people experiment and reach for the stars in terms of results. I doubt we'll ever hear if this person wins the lottery, but if/when they do, I wish them a nice congratulations and hope they'll get what they truly want through it.

 

[otherworldlymage]

I think it's funny how every naysayer in this thread has echoed precisely the assumptions that I mentioned in my post.

"It doesn't work that way."
"Too many other people vying for it."
"Demons won't help you get what you want, instead they'll put you through religious training just like angels or the Church and you'll still end up with nothing and also lose your soul to Hell for rejecting the True God."

Et al.

Even Agrippa says it all comes down to what we genuinely believe is possible in Book I of his Occult Philosophy. Most of you guys don't believe, so you don't see it. I'm not saying I'm so much better or anything, but shitting on somebody else for trying something is just what almost all "magickal teachers" have been doing for years at this point and it's a very lowly way to approach these concerns. Let people experiment and reach for the stars in terms of results. I doubt we'll ever hear if this person wins the lottery, but if/when they do, I wish them a nice congratulations and hope they'll get what they truly want through it.

Most on this thread are doing a magical operation to never be rich.

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Approximately 300,000 to 500,000 people win some kind of lottery prize every day worldwide, but let's say you are not aiming for winning just $50-$500, let's say that you want the millions, right? In 8.1 Billion people, approximately 2-3 persons daily become millionaires thanks to lottery. That’s still less than 1 in 5 million chance even after a year of daily play.


So, let's assume you are a magician, you can cheat probabilities, Don't you? After all, mathematically speaking, the chance still exists. It's not impossible. If you can make your crush fall in love into you, or win that job you dream of, why wouldn't you be able to win the lottery?

In my personal experience, I have used NAP with modest success (I got a better job but after some time) and I have used goetic spirits for naughty things (mainly love/sex related and curses). But I have tried the NAP spell for winning contest without any result that could say it is remotely working. I have been toying with the idea of trying something more complex, but I'm still gathering the equipment.

I would like to know your experiences, if you have, or your insights, if you have any, about this topic. Some people says that chances are too low, but, at the end of the day, each day, at least 1 person wins the lottery in the world. Other says that you are competing against other magicians, to which, at least from my experience, I would say we are not so packed up geographically as for that to really impact and the worst that could happen is a shared prize by 2-3 practitioners. A lot of people are armchair magicians and don't practice, etc etc. The last argument I have seen is about Karma, but that seems ridiculous to me, you are not doing any evil by playing the lottery.

Increase your experiment from millions to tens of millions.

 

[FireBorn]

Even Agrippa says it all comes down to what we genuinely believe is possible in Book I of his Occult Philosophy.

I’ll push back with what’s probably an unpopular point: Didn’t Agrippa himself die penniless and socially ostracized? That matters. Because either magick works as-is and gives you everything you want because belief alone drives it (Agrippa should’ve been untouchable, wealthy, powerful)…
Or magick works, just not in the fanciful “wish and receive” way we wish it did.

You can’t have it both ways. At some point you have to pick a side: either the theory is airtight, or the reality of lived lives, Agrippa’s included, proves magick doesn’t operate as a cosmic vending machine. Is this being a nay sayer, or being realistic and questioning?