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Bardon's Bullshit 'Kabbalah'

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Bardon wrote his books on German, it is the original language of his books, the original name of his "Quabbalah" book is "Der Schlüssel zur wahren Quabbalah. Der Quabbalist als vollkommener Herrscher im Mikro- und Makrokosmos", so the spelling "Quabbalah" was his personal choice. It is even emphasized by his "Quabbalah" being based on German alphabet with German-only letters (umlauts), but not even on Czech letters.
Then the problem is solved. German has a similar rule (at least in German a leading Q is almost always followed by a u), something that I as a near native German speaker wasn't aware of. There is a clear exception in German with foreign words, mostly in French though. So you guys can continue your piñata beating all you wish, but I suspect that Bardon followed a convention rather than made a capricious spelling choice.
 

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Kabala, however you spell it, essentially is a teaching about letter-sound-number correspondence, and it can use whatever alphabet the author wishes. The claims about someone's language or Kabala be the one God used to create the world are not original, it's merely a power move. If you know a few "kabalas", you can easily prove that any of them is workable.
 

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Bardon's "Quabbalah" book has nothing to do with Kabbalah at all, anyone who knows at least some basics of Kabbalah will confirm this.
What I have found, is that this is probably true for about 90% of books on "kabbalah".

There's so many. I just picked a few off my shelves but this is only a small handful.


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"Kabbalah" can be spelled a million different ways, though not all are "correct" or authentic by any means. But that's because Kabbalah split off into many different sects and areas. Some argue that anything other than Jewish Hebrew Kabbalah is entirely inauthentic nonsense. But it did play a role in intersecting with other traditions, albeit with changes.

ROOT & SOURCE FORM (Hebrew)​


  • קבלה
  • קַבָּלָה (with niqqud)
  • Qabbālāh (scholarly transliteration)

Root: QBL (ק־ב־ל) — “to receive”

PRIMARY ENGLISH SPELLINGS (Most Common)​


  • Kabbalah
  • Cabala
  • Qabalah
  • Qabbalah
  • Kabbala
  • Kabala
  • Kaballah
  • Cabbalah
  • Qabbala

These are the core nine from which most variants descend.

ACADEMIC / SCHOLARLY TRANSLITERATIONS​


  • Qabbālāh
  • Qabālāh
  • Qabbalah
  • Qabalah
  • Qabbala
  • Qabbālah
  • Qabballah (rare, older German-influenced)

CHRISTIAN & RENAISSANCE ESOTERIC SPELLINGS​


(15th–17th century Latin / Christian Cabala)


  • Cabala
  • Cabbala
  • Caballa
  • Cabbalah
  • Cabalae (Latin plural)
  • Cabbalae
  • Caballa
  • Cabbalistica (adjectival)
  • Cabalistica
  • Cabala Mystica
  • Cabbala Hebraica

These dominate Pico della Mirandola, Reuchlin, Agrippa, Kircher, etc.

HERMETIC / OCCULT TRADITION SPELLINGS​


(Golden Dawn, Thelema, 19th–20th c.)


  • QabalahGolden Dawn standard
  • Qabbalah
  • Qabalism
  • Qabalistic
  • Qabalist
  • Qaballa
  • Qaballae
  • Qabalah Mystica
  • Qabalistic Philosophy

Crowley, Regardie, Fortune overwhelmingly favor Qabalah.

MODERN HEBRAIC-INFLUENCED SPELLINGS​


  • Kabbalah
  • Kabbala
  • Kabbalaḥ (rare academic)
  • Kabalá (Spanish)
  • Kabbalá
  • Kabaláh
  • Kabbalahh (rare emphatic spellings)

EUROPEAN LANGUAGE VARIANTS​


German​


  • Kabbala
  • Kabbalah
  • Kabala
  • Qabbala

French​


  • Kabbale
  • Cabale
  • Cabbale
  • Qabbale

Italian​


  • Cabala
  • Cabbala
  • Kabbala

Spanish / Portuguese​


  • Cábala
  • Kábala
  • Cabala
  • Kabbalah

Polish / Slavic​


  • Kabała
  • Kabala
  • Qabala

PHONETIC / ALTERNATE RENDERINGS​


(Usually older, regional, or fringe)


  • Kabballah
  • Kabalah
  • Qabbalha
  • Qaballa
  • Cabalha
  • Caballa
  • Kaballa
  • Qaballa

DERIVATIVE / RELATED FORMS (Not the noun itself, but commonly conflated)​


  • Cabalae (plural)
  • Cabalism
  • Kabbalism
  • Qabalism
  • Cabalist
  • Kabbalist
  • Qabalist
  • Cabalistic
  • Kabbalistic
  • Qabalistic


Most books on "Kabbalah" contain errors, inconsistencies, and are not fully authentic. They are divorced from the original Hebrew and the logic that comes with the native language.

So you have to take away what you think is relevant.

Again, every book has errors. There are no books without them. You have to try and find any good, if there is any, within it. This is simple nondualistic, non-black-and-white thinking.

If you find one error with an author or a book and throw it out, you won't have a very fun time in esoterica and occultism. That's every book and author ever.

But are there some out there that are just absolute gibberish, completely divorced from any authenticity or relevancy to anything at all? Sure. The merit is somewhat in the eye of the beholder.

Kabbalah is something that morphed and developed over the years through the Middle Ages as it split off into other traditions. This is always controversial, because then it's not Jewish, and maybe not Hebrew. There are areas like "Christian Cabbalah". Up to you whether you think it's nonsense or not, but it became an area of study that developed on its own.

When it comes to Bardon, “Quabbalah” signals that this is not Jewish Kabbalah, nor Golden Dawn Qabalah. It marks a distinct, operative system. Bardon’s system is phonetic and vibratory, not symbolic-theological. He explicitly ties letter forces to the working language. Umlauts (Ä Ö Ü) are functional, not decorative. He himself states the system must be rebuilt, not merely translated, for other languages. Up to you if you think what he did is valid or not.
 

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Just check Mark Rasmus youtube channel, there are enough about Bardon's hermetics videos from his training to form an oppinion. Beyond Everything is so "bold" exactly because he's so incompetent. What was the name? The less someone knows the more self-confident they are...

"This phenomenon is known as the Dunning-Kruger effect, a cognitive bias where individuals with limited knowledge or competence in a specific domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence. Because they lack the expertise to recognize their own incompetence, they display high, unwarranted confidence."

Thank you, google AI assistant)
There is also a former student of Mark's with a really decent program for studying Bardon's work as well - Sixty Skills.
 
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There is also a former student of Mark's with a really decent program for studying Bardon's work as well - Sixty Skills.
why does mark rasmus have such a large gut (I saw it in a side shot of him on video)? Why couldn't he reprogram himself with all of bardon's work to gain a healthier weight? I watched a couple 60 skills videos and he proffers some made-up garbage about the afterlife as well.

If you'll notice, none of these people trying to make money off of gullible aspirants bother explaining the discrepancy in bardon's kabbalah between claims (the claim of perfect health through letters) and results (bardon's sickly condition over years). Try and address the actual topic, people, not spamming for people looking for more paying customers.
 

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why does mark rasmus have such a large gut
Again you keep using the same argument. And we keep going round in circles.

I'll try to give you the best possible answer. Most people studying occultism, esoterica, magick, etc., are not good at applying it. Most like to talk about it, read about it. Even teach it. Find me an individual who has used magick to transform their life, with concrete proof (eg. medical evidence). It doesn't exist. There isn't one out there.

So we can bring up any teacher, and you will have the same argument, again and again.

Can you provide us with a teacher who has succeeded in applying magick to their body, and has physical tangible proof?
 

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From Bardon's book-

The formula "Joe-Hoe-W" brings about perfect harmony in the mental, astral and material worlds, i.e., if used mentally, astrally and materially -- eucharistically -- which then must result in perfect health.

Must result in perfect health. lol How much clearer can it be? I picked one of the formulas dealing with health, there are others in his book. Bardon was quite unhealthy and if he hadn't committed suicide, he'd have died young anyway. So much for results. And Bardon did try to improve his health, to little effect (ie using spagyrics), so the idea that he didn't use his own system is nonsense.

What Bardon did was take the Hebrew out of the Sepher Yetzirah and then shoehorn the German alphabet into it (it's not a perfect correspondence but it's close enough). Then people call this 'hermetics'. It's somewhat odd, particularly if you study how these alphabets evolved.

Investigating it I could see there is some energy in the system, but no one has or ever will achieve a lot of the results claimed in his book. This is supposed to be the jewel of Bardon's long practices, but he couldn't even use it to heal himself. It can cause the practitioner to experience various 'divine' 'highs' (hence some of its reputation, outside of the fairy tales told about Bardon), but as an esoteric system to achieve the highest, it falls flat. As well the practical results claimed are nonsense, no one achieves most of them.
I'm new here, but I'm just gonna put in my two cents anyway:

Although Bardon had health issues and consequently committed suicide, it does not detract from any of his claims. There are a plethora of reasons why Divine Providence had him experience all that he did. Suffering is, afterall, a large part of life lessons, and the acceleration of evolution to Godhood. Quite possibly, the psychic strain was too much for him, or he could have very well had a flaw in his system (the German Alphabet would be one of those) that was his undoing.

Furthermore, it is possible that you weren't spiritually balanced or "pure" (no offence) enough to reach the entities you were trying to summon. He did expressly admonish his students that the constitution had to be elevated to a certain level of purity before it could be considered safe to invoke/evoke these powerful forces.
 
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There are a plethora of reasons why Divine Providence had him experience all that he did. Suffering is, afterall, a large part of life lessons, and the acceleration of evolution to Godhood.
People either have power or they don't. There is no cosmic referee judging the use of that power (ie Divine Providence is simply superstitious)
 

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why does mark rasmus have such a large gut (I saw it in a side shot of him on video)? Why couldn't he reprogram himself with all of bardon's work to gain a healthier weight? I watched a couple 60 skills videos and he proffers some made-up garbage about the afterlife as well.

If you'll notice, none of these people trying to make money off of gullible aspirants bother explaining the discrepancy in bardon's kabbalah between claims (the claim of perfect health through letters) and results (bardon's sickly condition over years). Try and address the actual topic, people, not spamming for people looking for more paying customers.
What they do explore and explain however are the gaps in Bardon's system - acknowledged gaps - this isn't something that only you've discovered yourself BE. The difference is that they have worked at figuring out how to work through the various gaps through practice and their own occult experience instead of burning all of Bardon's books because his physique wasn't up to Greek standards. Why don't you do everyone a favor and reveal who you recommend, or a better system to follow? You've only been asked this same question every time you post and you avoid answering it every time. The last time someone got a recommendation out of you was Gurdjieff. And I've already addressed the claims vs results vs environment vs immortality issue so I'm done with that. A better angle for this OP btw would have been: "Bardon's BS Kabbalah and What I Recommend Instead..."
 
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The last time someone got a recommendation out of you was Gurdjieff.
I didn't actually recommend Gurdjieff. I was discussing the basic concept of self reflective awareness and its vital importance. I even explained how Bardon's instructions there fall flat. What is it you want? I'm not going to spoon feed, that ain't how the occult works, let me assure you. Ever try reading an alchemical text? You can't read carefully, that isn't on me.
 

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I'm new here, but I'm just gonna put in my two cents anyway:

Although Bardon had health issues and consequently committed suicide, it does not detract from any of his claims. There are a plethora of reasons why Divine Providence had him experience all that he did. Suffering is, afterall, a large part of life lessons, and the acceleration of evolution to Godhood. Quite possibly, the psychic strain was too much for him, or he could have very well had a flaw in his system (the German Alphabet would be one of those) that was his undoing.

Furthermore, it is possible that you weren't spiritually balanced or "pure" (no offence) enough to reach the entities you were trying to summon. He did expressly admonish his students that the constitution had to be elevated to a certain level of purity before it could be considered safe to invoke/evoke these powerful forces.
I'm sorry but "God was personally preventing Bardon from losing weight" is not the kind of statement I was expecting to read today. This is not a healthy or useful approach. When your car doesn't start you don't go "I must be not morally pure enough to drive it, God wants me to learn my lesson by walking".

Kabala, however you spell it, essentially is a teaching about letter-sound-number correspondence, and it can use whatever alphabet the author wishes. The claims about someone's language or Kabala be the one God used to create the world are not original, it's merely a power move. If you know a few "kabalas", you can easily prove that any of them is workable.
If I remember correctly, Crowley for example outright states that his own personal kabbalah/system of correspondences is only useful to him and the students should build their own systems instead of blindly following the existing ones.

A better angle for this OP btw would have been: "Bardon's BS Kabbalah and What I Recommend Instead..."
In all honestly, most of the material you can find in IIH can be found in earlier sources. Compiling it all into a single walktrhrough system is a big achievement but I am not really convinced Bardon was practicing it himself and if he did, how far along his own system he was. I do agree it'd be more productive to discuss things that work instead of arguing about things that probably do not.
This post 100% hits the mark in my opinion:
Bardon is classic example of XIX-XX century occultist - man who keeps smoking, drinking, eating various junk, being obese, oftentimes sitting on drugs and speaking about some kind of "spiritual development", "magic", "occult". I didn't want to sound too harsh, but life is way too short to spend it on books of someone who can't show even the slightest hint of having at least such semi-"miraculous" power as defeating his own bad habits. Allen Carr is by miles more powerful "occultist" than Bardon... Seriously.
 

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There are a plethora of reasons why Divine Providence had him experience all that he did. Suffering is, afterall, a large part of life lessons, and the acceleration of evolution to Godhood.
Ok, but there are a lot of mundane things a person can do to stop large parts of the suffering. Mundane problems ask for mundane solutions. He kept smoking, drinking. eating fat when having problems with the pancreas, and being obese. I see it here on the forum every once and while too, people who are asking for magical solutions while the solution is mundane. That is where magic becomes an escape instead of using/bending of power. And that is why I said somewhere else that you have to keep the spirits you work with, out of certain parts of the mundane life. (not always a popular opinion though)

his students that the constitution had to be elevated to a certain level of purity before it could be considered safe to invoke/evoke these powerful forces.
This is a point where his legacy is off IMHO. There are naturals who can safely invoke/evoke forces from the very first beginning and there are highly trained people who cannot do/control. I have seen both, a lot occultists have seen both.
 

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concrete proof (eg. medical evidence). It doesn't exist. There isn't one out there.
Without up-talking her work because I've not reviewed it in depth myself, I hear good things about Lynne McTaggart's "Power of Eight" controlled and documented New Thought "intention" experiments in curing serious disease conditions.

Without making any unsupportable truth claims here, but if rigorous scientific methodology is your jam, she has worked with dozens of scientists over the years, including Dr. Gary Schwartz, a professor of psychology, medicine, and neurology at the University of Arizona, Dr. Konstantin Korotkov at St. Petersburg , Dr. Jessica Utts at University of California, Irvine, and others.

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I didn't actually recommend Gurdjieff. I was discussing the basic concept of self reflective awareness and its vital importance. I even explained how Bardon's instructions there fall flat. What is it you want? I'm not going to spoon feed, that ain't how the occult works, let me assure you. Ever try reading an alchemical text? You can't read carefully, that isn't on me.
Nope. Not requesting a spoon feeding from you at all. Based on your OP isn't an endless and useless debate exactly what you wanted? Magick😉
 

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Nope. Not requesting a spoon feeding from you at all. Based on your OP isn't an endless and useless debate exactly what you wanted? Magick😉
He's seriously comparing his nagging and "mysterious" hints to an alchemical text? Lol. It's but a fig leaf covering less than modest "apparatus" :D
 

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This is definitely not taught anywhere. It's a 'jewel' of my practice so I don't feel inclined to just divulge it to strangers. lol However I gave indications of one leg of it right in this thread in the discussion of awareness, the other leg is energywork performed further and further into that state.

I've said elsewhere that thoughts, emotions, thoughtforms, and other energetic factors age us. And the fewer you have, the slower you age. Regular meditation doesn't deal with this, it's mostly pacification (despite its other benefits). As an example, the focusing on the breath doesn't deal with all the other 'activity' going on, it just deals with a certain band of conscious awareness.
oh i heard really advanced magicians can live in the moment without thinking during the day and only think when they need to - full control of the mind. is this something similar to what you are describing?
 
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oh i heard really advanced magicians can live in the moment without thinking during the day and only think when they need to - full control of the mind. is this something similar to what you are describing?
No, because as I pointed out- there's a lot of energetic 'activity' still going on even if you consciouslly suppress thoughts. Just being silent as much as possible is far from enough, otherwise -say- Castenada wouldn't have croaked when he did.
 

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Kabala, however you spell it, essentially is a teaching about letter-sound-number correspondence, and it can use whatever alphabet the author wishes. The claims about someone's language or Kabala be the one God used to create the world are not original, it's merely a power move. If you know a few "kabalas", you can easily prove that any of them is workable.
This. Chaos magician hat on, all this is arbitrary. The value of Qabalah is not inherently Hebrew (one could argue it has roots in earlier Greek philosophy), so different models can be built. The power is not in the parts, but how they are put together.
 

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I just figured I'd chime in here just to give an opinion because I'm familiar with Bardon.

So....the criticisms here are valid. I agree with many of them.

But as someone (probably like many of us here) who's spent 10s of thousands on occult books and read as far and wide as I can (I try anyway, I'm not the best)....

I think it's fairly obvious after a while to see that.....pretty much every occult author is essentially "just some guy with opinions". Including Bardon.

This is occultism, esotericism, and spirituality. Not science. Not medicine. Not engineering. There are no peer reviewed scientific studies on these topics. You can't use a mathematical proof to prove that someone has the answers.

I often hear criticisms of Occult authors like this. And they're fair. But, what were you expecting? That God himself would be the author?

And people do claim that, even with sacred texts, like the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita......academics can find criticisms, flaws, and contradictions that are undeniable. Potential mistakes or "flaws". And that's incredibly controversial. My intention is not to disrespect anyone's faith or anyone who relies on holy texts or scriptures. I don't believe them to be nonsense in any way, rather, actually, I think they hold immense value and are sacred in nature. However, human authors, even those with 'divine inspiration,' can still manufacture flaws in their work. These books are written by humans after all.

When it comes to alternative spiritual texts? (Also known as occult works)

Every author is an imperfect human being, usually with a weird life (none of them were saints), who just was just writing down their ideas and their spiritual human experience and research. Some have better sources than others. Some write more articulately than others. Some look like an absolute crazy mess.

But ultimately, every occult text is just some guy's spiritual ideas on paper. Find me an author that was a perfect human being and wrote down a perfect spiritual work. You could argue for the bible. Maybe Hermes Trismegistus and the Hermetica? Was that divinely transmitted from the source, the heavens, from God? That's an interesting discussion.

I don't know if Bardon's systems or ideas hold any water. He did get sick and die.

But do you know why Bardon got sick and died? He was imprisoned twice, and it began to wear on the man's mental health and personal condition.

The Nazis, particularly Hitler, wanted Bardon to assist them with magic to win the war and reveal other occult lodges. Bardon refused, leading to torture and imprisonment in a concentration camp. He got out.

After the war, Bardon continued his occult studies and healing work. He was arrested again by the Czechoslovakian Communist authorities on charges of tax evasion (for alcohol used in his remedies) and treason (for allegedly making unfavorable comments in a letter). And then the pancreatitis in custody ended him.

Does this mean occult powers don't work? That Bardon's skills or ideas were nothing?

I can attest personally that trying to meditate and manifest or control your consciousness and emotions when you're in a life-reckoning situation like....prison (which is known to be psychologically traumatic).....it's hard to perform under those conditions. Not everyone can.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong. I'm just cutting the man some slack and looking at what happened here historically.

Let's look at some other occultists that arguably have overlap with Bardon.

Crowley created a whole religion off of some overlapping principles that are arguably sharing some similarity to Bardon's work. With similar roots (Hermetics/Kabbalah/Egyptian Currents). His thing was, "Love was the way to create your true will, your true life's path".

Did he do it? Did he use his invention, Thelema, to will his highest life path? Well, He was a long-time drug user and became addicted to heroin, which contributed to his declining health. He died in relative poverty and obscurity in a boarding house. At first he began experimenting widely with various psychotropic substances, including cannabis, cocaine, mescaline, and solvents, from an early age, often as part of his "magickal" studies and personal exploration. Then he developed a 20 year addiction to heroin that led to declining health and finances. Then he died.

He didn't do it. Even the creator of Thelema couldn't do Thelema.

Look at a modern magician. You can criticize me here but I'm going to back it up with arguable evidence: Joe Dispenza. People claim they have had radical remissions from cancer and other diseases. His work again pulls from Hermetics (he states hermetic principles in his courses, "The inner creates the outer", "As above, so below"), chaos magick (in his "Progressive/Intensive Course" he has you draw a sigil and charge it with your greatest intentions for your future life, visualizing your success), this is his "roll your own" version of ritual that he kind of created. He has you work "vibration" (very...."kybalionistic"), and subdue and control thoughts (similar to Bardon) and try to elevate your body's state, willingly, into love (Thelemic), to try to create a new reality (again....that's in alignment with the Hermetica, creating a new physical reality based on the inner state of the self changing. According to these principles, the inner creates the outer, so drastically working to change and elevate the inner self will create a new physical reality).

What's my point? Did Joe do it? Well......he is losing his hair. Many people mention that. Couldn't he use what he teaches to create a new reality and change his gene expression in real time, to regrow that hair? To activate dormant follicles?

These are tough questions.

Does this mean every teacher of manifestational, hermetic-like, kabbalistic/qabbalistic or pseudo-kabblaistic ideas are all peddling a bunch of useless nonsense?

That's the million dollar question when it comes to occultism isn't it? Why do we collect and read this crazy stuff that mainstream society thinks is nonsense?

It's like every occult book is a case study on some weird person who pieced together their thoughts that go outside the bounds of mainstream religion, science, and thought.

Personally, I research every author. I consider their background as a factor. But I have yet to find an author who has had a spotless history.

But also, I consider that maybe it's a situation of "those who can't do, teach."

Maybe they were great at explaining it, but not actually doing it. Is that plausible? I don't know. Is it possible? It could be.

Entering into Occultism is an exploration. There's a reason society didn't regard these books as "the best ones" or "The most sacred".

Some of them are maybe "the hidden". Some of them are also rejects. Occultism is also what is not accepted. What society did not accept. They include science, religion, thought, history, etc., which society disagreed with. That doesn't necessarily mean it's right or wrong. It just means it's outside the bounds of accepted.

I think Bardon's work is interesting. But no, it's not perfect. And he died before he could finish some of it. It's also probably not without flaws, regardless.

Every occult work I read, I take what I find valuable, and I leave the rest. That's with any book.

Because if you're looking for that supernatural author who wrote a perfectly Godly divine book with every single secret of the universe in it....

It doesn't exist. Every author was human (even if they say they were God, which some have).

So you have to consider the limitations of a book written by some guy. After all......every single occult work is just a book written by some guy. Even intricate grimoires were written by humans.

In my opinion, they hold value if you see value in it. It's up to you to decide if it's nonsense or not. But it can't necessarily be "proven" because it's not an exact science like engineering or medicine. It's up for a vast amount of interpretation.
Well said, minus some inaccuracies about Crowley, but I am used to that even amongst magicians.
I agree with the gist of your post, how could I not?
After practising for years and years, and reading many books, I think anyone of us here with any growth or 'power' whatsoever, realises that the larger swing of the Earth, the rhythm of the Universe, make human behaviour very repetitive and obvious.
It shows that the outer and gross material do not necessarily always reflect the inner working , evolution, and 'power' of the particular indiviual.
Magick works, but it is not necessarily going to perform some Herculean feat to change matter in a gross obvious form.
It's true power is changing the Foundations, the Inner, and it will eventually be reflected in the Outer 'in some form'
Deep down, what really matters, is one's perspective, one's evolution of where they put their energy and how they use it.
My 2 cents.
 
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