Basic ancestor work

[Wannabewizard]

It has come to my attention that I have a very messy ancestor tree, probably full of rape/murder/war, you know, most things that constitute drunken Scot's idiocy that pass for normal. Strangely they seem proud of it.
Blood feuds and madness, incomprehensible language, haggis, whisky, violence ect.
And then there is the English stuff, all the haughty arrogance about being better, and the clash between the two.
Braveheart ect.

I can see that some set up a small alter space for ancestors, not sure how to go about it.
It's something that ought to be done, to overcome, recognize both positive and negatives there may be.
And as for the still living members, who really ought to be rounded up and arrested for the 'love' shown to their offspring...oh boy.
Is there some practical ancestor work, to introduce oneself into an effective yet not so culty way of clearing up past family energies?

 

[Galahad]

Is there some practical ancestor work, to introduce oneself into an effective yet not so culty way of clearing up past family energies?

Yes. Go to the source from which they both emerge. If your Scottish ancestry is Scandinavian, there's a direct genetic relationship with the English and so both sides will come from the same Germanic root. Work with that root and trace its spread. If your Scottish ancestry is Celtic, you'll have to go a little further back but the Celtic and Germanic peoples are closely related and have shared much of the same land across Western Europe. They both derive from the same Indo-European roots. In essence, approach the difficulties as disputes within the same family and those disputes are reconciled in you.

Light two candles at opposite sides of a window sill. As you light one say "for my father". As you light the other say "for my mother". Blow them out after an hour. Each day repeat this but bring the candles an inch closer to each other. When they meet, let them melt until you can mould both candle waxes together. Light a candle from this amalgamation and pass that flame from one candle to another. Light those candles for no purpose other than ancestral remembrance.

 

[Wannabewizard]

What comes to mind is using a black and white candle to represent opposites. Quite big dinner candles.
Does it have to be a window sill, can I use a better space I can keep an eye on it?
It is reconciliation.

 

[Galahad]

What comes to mind is using a black and white candle to represent opposites. Quite big dinner candles.
Does it have to be a window sill, can I use a better space I can keep an eye on it?
It is reconciliation.

Yes, you can use any space you like. I mentioned windows because they're psychologically loaded spaces where we are both looking out and looking in. You can also say a short invocation beforehand if you feel moved to.

 

[loady]

It has come to my attention that I have a very messy ancestor tree, probably full of rape/murder/war, you know, most things that constitute drunken Scot's idiocy that pass for normal. Strangely they seem proud of it.
Blood feuds and madness, incomprehensible language, haggis, whisky, violence ect.
And then there is the English stuff, all the haughty arrogance about being better, and the clash between the two.
Braveheart ect.

I can see that some set up a small alter space for ancestors, not sure how to go about it.
It's something that ought to be done, to overcome, recognize both positive and negatives there may be.
And as for the still living members, who really ought to be rounded up and arrested for the 'love' shown to their offspring...oh boy.
Is there some practical ancestor work, to introduce oneself into an effective yet not so culty way of clearing up past family energies?

I believe that if you want to be free at some point and break the grasp the matrix have over you ( regardless if takes one or thousand lifetimes) you have to cut ties with your ancestors

Heres a post pasted from my fb log i wrote today
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All those sad individuals that pays homeage to so called "ancestoral spirits " belongs to various sad human family lineages , tribes and cults that at one time merged with the reptilian soul complex trough spiritual rites,blood rituals and interbreeding and its the reptilians part of the lineage that humans honour and submits to when they bend over to respect the very ones that enslaves them. Ofcourse they are going to hand over favours and offer protection to the human part of the lineages - afterall its an investment that protects their greatest asset ( your physical body ) they want you to continuously breed and produce more human bodies trough offspring so they can feed of the emotional energy that the human spirit emits whilst its occupying a physical body .they want to keep you enslaved in the matrix so they can treat and milk you like cattles

I have no such ancestoral spirits and they can go fuck themselves , every single one of them .

 

[HoldAll]

I too hesitate to perform ancestor work because of some bad apples among my forebears, so here are three thoughts I recently had that have helped me to make the idea more palatable to skeptical me:

1) Like it or not, we're all carrying pieces of our direct bloodline ancestors' DNA with us. In a way, venerating our ancestors thus also means honouring ourselves a bit because they're part of our flesh-and-blood hardware, so to speak.

2) If we are the product of our experiences, then death must have the heaviest impact of all. There must have been a point (and I'm trying hard to adopt that belief as an exercise in chaos magic) where they resigned themselves to their fate, grudgingly accepting that they had no whiskey and no blood to poison it with anymore, that they now lacked the glands to get fighting mad, etc. It's a paradigm I'm still working on.

3) I once took part in a

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workshop that helped me come to terms with how my parents and grandparents led their lives and how they treated me as a result. It made me more tolerant of their flaws and showed me that they themselves were victims of their upbringing and times, that they too tried to liberate themselves from their unfortunate heritage in their own way.

It's all still very half-baked though but then I would think, "My advantage is that I'm alive and they ain't. I still actively play my part in this world and all they can do now is watch". However, how to turn these thoughts into some form of empowerment still eludes me; all I can manage so far is to visualize the whole bunch of them looking sheepish and embarrassed. Perhaps death really did change them according to thought 2) and they now wish for me to have a better life because they fucked up theirs. Something like that.

 

[Wannabewizard]

There is a lot of Christian stuff that goes on about generational 'sin'. I can see something to it but the way it happens I could debate over. Is it passed on via energy alone, or by the energy of beating your children? Considering the energy body stores data the result is the same. Either way it's bad.
There is an Ancestor book on here somewhere that I flicked through. It seems worth it to me even just to cut the ties, especially if there is some kind of curse active which I suspect there is. The attitude towards money for instance sucks, both side of the family have been poor, both there actions and responsibility. Mother was found to be literally giving out future away to culty churches when we were starving, (hiding it from husband) totally unconscious of consequences. Still is unconscious. Sigh.
So there is a lot to sort out. Maybe I will find a hero, more probably a line of psychos, going by my Fathers Father. Showed my then smallest brother (like 7 years old) how to smoke a pipe (and hid it from us) creepiest mofo ever. And when we got up to Scotland to visit that Grandfather starts slapping his wife around in front of us all. Think we not there long. Father beats mother. Generational Cluster fuck. This has all been locked away in CPTSD memories, can hardly believe it's real.

I had a dream when I was with my ex fiance of of our children melting at a disco dance. We never got married, but its clear to see what that was about.
Would still like to find somone to be with while I can, even just to hang out with. I would absolutly make shure the lineage is clear before 'insertion', no way in hell I want to repeat all this. Bad karma to 'go in blind'.

Damn my heart hurts form all this.

 

[whome]

Is there some practical ancestor work

Deal constructively with your current relatives and close associates. Most are drawn to reincarnate near you by family karma.

 

[djcullgirl]

as somebody who opposes colonization, as well as having no blood family (besides one) who i don't find appalling, I say in prayer/ritual "to my ancestors in the struggle, to my comrades in time" or that sort of thing. i have brothers and sisters, many of them. none of them in my genetic family tree. But that love and respect and comradery is stronger than anything granted simply on the virtue of "we were both born somehow connected" - its pretty easy to see how weak those bonds are as soon as inheritance comes up or politics are discussed while celebrating the genocide of indigenous peoples and culture... The bonds i share with the ones i consider my soull family transcend time and space, and that is who i call upon when i honor my ancestors. My dawgz as i like to say. howls at the moon

 

[Yazata]

Acestral Veneration

The following is an excerpt from my blog: The absolute foundation of your spirituality is your ancestry. They are the roots of the tree from which you have blossomed forth into this world. Within your veins flows the power of gained through the hardships your ancestors endured in life...

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This is a good one that might have gone unnoticed because of the misspelled title

 

[Wannabewizard]

This is quite difficult to do, with all the impulses inside of it not being 'Christian' and all. It's part of overcoming it.

It seems worth the effort in setting this up, even If it turns out that I hate everyone in my lineage, just to cut it all clean and start fresh. I would certainly include anyone as 'family' that I cared deeply about and could be trusted with loyalty.
That's the sort of thing that matters to me, as betrayal cuts the deepest.
It's why I would not want to get involved with anyone living that has not attended to their shadow, the gross unconsciousness that lies within and pretends that the world being on fire is fine.

Is has a lot to do with the healthy sense of the tree of life, as the world appears to have abandoned the tree of life for the tree of death. I grew up in a family atmosphere that was practically Qlipphothic with a veil of religion.
It's going to take some work to plant the tree in the upright position, if I am ever going to 'sow the seed' and extend the branches.

Altar is set up and dedicated. Feels instantly different. And emotional. Hope the ancestors don't mind the mess, as that's what there is.
Maybe it's an opportunity to remember what whisky tastes like