Black magick without demons?

[magick&psionics]

Besides the HP Lovecraft cosmic horror stuff, I was wondering if there are any other forms of black magick that doesn't actually involve demons of the goatia

 

[MagickalStudent569]

Besides the HP Lovecraft cosmic horror stuff, I was wondering if there are any other forms of black magick that doesn't actually involve demons of the goatia

Yeah lots exist that don't involve Abrahamic Sprit families, however you can invoke or evoke an Angel or God to do same things as a Demon, so long as the request is just and not petty. Lots of African Traditional Religions, Chinese Traditional Religion, Hindu, Greco-Roman, Egyptian or any European Pantheon can work just as well. You just have to invoke and work with those spirts instead for extended periods of time (months, years, decades etc..), which starts by developing a close relationship with one of them through offerings, prayers, meditation etc...

In edition local plant and land spirits can be just as potent, provided you take the time to get to know them, by communing with them through nature. Ancestors and the dead are another great option. They are probably far easier develop a relationship with since they were once humans themselves and will relate to you better. Through them you can do really baneful stuff if you really feel the need since they were once human and are more likely to sympathize with human wants/needs.

Once you have developed that relationship with anyone of these you can begin to call upon them to empower your spells and rituals. Assuming your working though Shamanistic or Witchcraft mode of operating. If it's a Western Ceremonial approach your doing then you just need to evoke the highest spirit in a given order and work your way down from there. Though that path is equally time consuming so it's usually better if you just pick one and stick to that for some years. Jack of all trades master of none kinda thing. Not unlike a religion.

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

"Jack of all trades master of none, but often times better than a master of one"

 

[MagickalStudent569]

"Jack of all trades master of none, but often times better than a master of one"

In some cases definitely yes. That's really just my opinion as I'm more concerned with the practical results and learning from different spirits on more in-depth level. However your right, you can do it the other way and do just fine, if your just exploring.

 

[magick&psionics]

Yeah lots exist that don't involve Abrahamic Sprit families, however you can invoke or evoke an Angel or God to do same things as a Demon, so long as the request is just and not petty. Lots of African Traditional Religions, Chinese Traditional Religion, Hindu, Greco-Roman, Egyptian or any European Pantheon can work just as well. You just have to invoke and work with those spirts instead for extended periods of time (months, years, decades etc..), which starts by developing a close relationship with one of them through offerings, prayers, meditation etc...

In edition local plant and land spirits can be just as potent, provided you take the time to get to know them, by communing with them through nature. Ancestors and the dead are another great option. They are probably far easier develop a relationship with since they were once humans themselves and will relate to you better. Through them you can do really baneful stuff if you really feel the need since they were once human and are more likely to sympathize with human wants/needs.

Once you have developed that relationship with anyone of these you can begin to call upon them to empower your spells and rituals. Assuming your working though Shamanistic or Witchcraft mode of operating. If it's a Western Ceremonial approach your doing then you just need to evoke the highest spirit in a given order and work your way down from there. Though that path is equally time consuming so it's usually better if you just pick one and stick to that for some years. Jack of all trades master of none kinda thing. Not unlike a religion

Oh so basically what I have been doing yeah I almost fucked up a demon connection
Anyways so what happened was that I looked through the eyes and imbodied Beelzebub (his most angry version) while I was doing scribbling on a piece of paper. I also imagined him bringing my house keys back a couple years ago. An event that actually happened. And after that I draw a circle around the scribbles representing him completely containing him.
This happened last night and basically said I fell in hell and they basically said my chaos magick is evil. So I ended up having to teach him what I did to fall back into their good graces otherwise my demonic connection is screwed.
What I had done I deemed forbidden and will probably never use again

 

[Mannimarco]

Besides the HP Lovecraft cosmic horror stuff, I was wondering if there are any other forms of black magick that doesn't actually involve demons of the goatia

Yes, many. Whether by "black magick" you mean baneful magick, or LHP type ascension/apotheosis, it's a yes either way. Both can also be achieved without any spirits at all, through energy work, spells, and meditation.

 

[MagickalStudent569]

Oh so basically what I have been doing yeah I almost fucked up a demon connection
Anyways so what happened was that I looked through the eyes and imbodied Beelzebub (his most angry version) while I was doing scribbling on a piece of paper. I also imagined him bringing my house keys back a couple years ago. An event that actually happened. And after that I draw a circle around the scribbles representing him completely containing him.
This happened last night and basically said I fell in hell and they basically said my chaos magick is evil. So I ended up having to teach him what I did to fall back into their good graces otherwise my demonic connection is screwed.
What I had done I deemed forbidden and will probably never use again

You might wanna get a second opinion then. Finding lost items hardly constitutes ill will or being tormented in hell. He was probably more angry that you attempted to constrain him through a circle and might think you need your azz whooped in hell for consistently doing that. Anyways if your gonna go down the LHP, the goal should be to learn from demons as equals, not try to bind them via traditional RHP ceremonial means such as a circle. It also means being okay with going to hell or staying around Malkuth to further spend time and learn from them. RHP people do that as they work with a God who's at war with Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/Iblis and all his allies. Putting it a another way, it's like resorting to torture in the context of a civil war to extract information or gain compliance, you'll earn the tortured's lasting hatred as a result. Just don't do anything like that again and be more civil when dealing him or any infernal spirit from now on.

 

[magick&psionics]

You might wanna get a second opinion then. Finding lost items hardly constitutes ill will or being tormented in hell. He was probably more angry that you attempted to constrain him through a circle and might think you need your azz whooped in hell for consistently doing that. Anyways if your gonna go down the LHP, the goal should be to learn from demons as equals, not try to bind them via traditional RHP ceremonial means such as a circle. It also means being okay with going to hell or staying around Malkuth to further spend time and learn from them. RHP people do that as they work with a God who's at war with Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/Iblis and all his allies. Putting it a another way, it's like resorting to torture in the context of a civil war to extract information or gain compliance, you'll earn the tortured's lasting hatred as a result. Just don't do anything like that again and be more civil when dealing him or any infernal spirit from now on.

Yeah basically an experiment gone wrong. That's why I had to teach him what I did to him to fall back into their graces. Last thing I want is to be tormented for being a prick to them. I honestly like them

 

[MagickalStudent569]

Yeah basically an experiment gone wrong. That's why I had to teach him what I did to him to fall back into their graces. Last thing I want is to be tormented for being a prick to them. I honestly like them

Sounds like your on the right path then!