Black magick without demons?

[lumineth Realm Lord]

Besides the HP Lovecraft cosmic horror stuff, I was wondering if there are any other forms of black magick that doesn't actually involve demons of the goatia

It depends on your definition of a demon. I have a few classic Grimiores that let you summon planetary spirits for purposes akin to black magick. They don't involve your classic Goetia spirits or traditional named demons, if that's what you're asking about.

 

[ArchonLynx]

Create your own system I never understood why people use already formed one that are dead ends...

 

[The Hurricane Path]

Besides the HP Lovecraft cosmic horror stuff, I was wondering if there are any other forms of black magick that doesn't actually involve demons of the goatia

It is absolutely possible to do this kind of selfish spiritual manifestation with non-Abrahamic beings. Santeria is a practical example of this, as is Hoodoo and also the practice of my Tezca people.

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You might wanna get a second opinion then. Finding lost items hardly constitutes ill will or being tormented in hell. He was probably more angry that you attempted to constrain him through a circle and might think you need your azz whooped in hell for consistently doing that. Anyways if your gonna go down the LHP, the goal should be to learn from demons as equals, not try to bind them via traditional RHP ceremonial means such as a circle. It also means being okay with going to hell or staying around Malkuth to further spend time and learn from them. RHP people do that as they work with a God who's at war with Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/Iblis and all his allies. Putting it a another way, it's like resorting to torture in the context of a civil war to extract information or gain compliance, you'll earn the tortured's lasting hatred as a result. Just don't do anything like that again and be more civil when dealing him or any infernal spirit from now on.

There is no hell, my son. The afterlife is right here.

 

[Fish man]

Isn't any magic that causes harm dark? And especially dark, if you use demons?

 

[Accipeveldare]

Isn't any magic that causes harm dark? And especially dark, if you use demons?

I have never had any bad experiences with daemons. Daemons tend to respect you as long as you are actually what you claim to be and respect them as well. However, dark magick? Dark magick to me is just any magick that harms an individual.

 

[FireBorn]

Besides the HP Lovecraft cosmic horror stuff, I was wondering if there are any other forms of black magick that doesn't actually involve demons of the goatia

Some forms of Witchcraft, Voodoo, Santeria, or work out of the PGM, PIcatrix, GV, etc.

There are lots of ways to work "black magick" or whatever word you like to use that is outside the Goetic framework. The Goetic demons are probably just the most popular, but by no means the only. Same with the Lesser Key itself. Yes, most popular, its a fan favorite, but there is so much more out there.

You are asking a great question. Stay curious, stay hungry, now go eat!

 

[Morgast]

You can make a Black Magic spell without demons. Hodoo makes It. You only Go activating the ancestral Powers of the elements and to make the evocation against the target.

OMG! Daemon is only ghost, klifotic, yes. Hoodoo entits also.

 

[ArchonLynx]

OMG! Daemon is only ghost, klifotic, yes. Hoodoo entits also.

Demons/daemons are not ghost...

 

[ZanySpirtist]

Well, black magick, as I understand it, is more of an ethical mindset than a method, so of course you can practice it without calling on Daemons (or any other entities). F. in. a lot of psychic influence work is pretty much black magick, heh (like putting ideas in someone's head that weren't there before).