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Chaos Magick and Robert Anton Wilson Ruined Abramelin

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I've already done the work, I just saw a video from somebody talking about how "weird and impossible" Abramelin is so wanted to put forth my theory as to why this idea exist. Liber LXV is great, personally even as a non-Thelemite I have a great appreciation for Crowley's work - but most people into traditional Western magick (whether due to ignorance or personal bias) don't take him seriously.
Alot of it would be personal bias towards him. I know Steven Skinner is very critical about him — i would not say he is the ignorant type based on the ammount of work he has done with studying western ceremonial magick and greco-egyptian magick.

The way i personally see him is that he was looking for attention which is primarily the reason he has that evil persona attached to him. He did start getting attention in a bad way and then he looked to inflate that attention. Of course i do not exactly know if im right here, but this is my assumption.
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Alot of it would be personal bias towards him. I know Steven Skinner is very critical about him — i would not say he is the ignorant type based on the ammount of work he has done with studying western ceremonial magick and greco-egyptian magick.

The way i personally see him is that he was looking for attention which is primarily the reason he has that evil persona attached to him. He did start getting attention in a bad way and then he looked to inflate that attention. Of course i do not exactly know if im right here, but this is my assumption.
Personally i am not a fan of his work — not to say some parts do not present any value. I liked austin osman spare a bit more if we are to be talking about modern writers.
 

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Alot of it would be personal bias towards him. I know Steven Skinner is very critical about him — i would not say he is the ignorant type based on the ammount of work he has done with studying western ceremonial magick and greco-egyptian magick.

The way i personally see him is that he was looking for attention which is primarily the reason he has that evil persona attached to him. He did start getting attention in a bad way and then he looked to inflate that attention. Of course i do not exactly know if im right here, but this is my assumption.
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Personally i am not a fan of his work — not to say some parts do not present any value. I liked austin osman spare a bit more if we are to be talking about modern writers.
Oh yeah, I don't think Crowley was ignorant in the slightest. He was very serious about finding all the information he could about magick and spirituality. Just the people who criticize his work with all the usual complaints I don't think actually know his work and are themselves ignorant. He was a great jokester and very much a Pan-trickster character. My favorite work of his is "Magick Without Tears," which I think is his most candid and clear series of discourses on magick.
 

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I'll try to steer the discussion away from Crowley and back to the Abramelin here. In my opinion, Crowley first heard about guardian angels from some Catholic schoolmates of his, then read the Mathers translation of the Abramelin book, two years after it came out when he was still in the GD, then decided in a bout of youthful exuberance (he was 24 at the time) to try it. He was probably aware of his carnal appetites and hedonistic inclinations so he decided to isolate himself in a remote part of Scotland to prevent himself from backsliding, so to speak - which would have never worked anyway, Crowley being Crowley. It would have been different for a mature person who has long settled down and possessed a much more stable personality. Without having read the Mathers or the Dehn translation, I get the impression that the overall 'Abramelin workload' is not much more demanding (and less strenous) than that of an ambitious amateur athlete who gets up early in the morning for some roadwork and hits the gym or dojo in the evening after work. What Crowley most likely had in mind was a retreat, and by now us Westerners have heard about what e.g. Tibetan monks get up to in this respect, for example living in a cave for twelve years, so that probably also played a certain role in creating the onerous and forbidding image of the Abramelin.

I personally wasn't aware of any 'RAW movement', I didn't even know that Wilson wrote about the HGA.

As to chaos magick, I'm under the impression that it arouse when some young wanna-be wizards in the early Seventies became frustrated with the sanctimonious high-magic rhetoric of Eliphas Levi, Crowley, Dion Fortune, W.E. Butler, etc. because they wanted to know how to, you know, actually get stuff (I guess witchcraft and folk magic never had that problem). Then Pete Carroll chanced about Spare's sigil magic, and the rest was history. My impression is that chaos magic doesn't lend itself easily to high magic endeavours like Knowledge and Conversation with one's Holy Guardian Angel but it does one inspire to think outside the box (and oftentimes dismantle the box itself in the process). However, attaining K&C is not like getting a raise or getting laid next Friday. In my own experience, chaos magic is not very well suited to long-term projects in general - to specific one-time results, ok, but not to drawn-out processes.

However, I've had this idea about how to establish contact with my guardian angel using chaos sigil magic: first you formulate your Sentence of Desire and draw yourself a sigil according to the usual methods. Then you return to the letters used for the sigil and see if you can combine them into cool-sounding barbarous words (what Carroll calls the 'mantrical spell method'); feel free to discard any letters you don't need but don't add any new ones. It would be best to create some sort of physical talisman by carving the sigil into wood, on a lump of playdough, etc. and then hold that talisman (in a specific mudra?) while meditating, silently reciting your HGA mantra and visualising the associated sigil, say for half an hour every day. It might work, I think.
 

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I'll try to steer the discussion away from Crowley and back to the Abramelin here. In my opinion, Crowley first heard about guardian angels from some Catholic schoolmates of his, then read the Mathers translation of the Abramelin book, two years after it came out when he was still in the GD, then decided in a bout of youthful exuberance (he was 24 at the time) to try it. He was probably aware of his carnal appetites and hedonistic inclinations so he decided to isolate himself in a remote part of Scotland to prevent himself from backsliding, so to speak - which would have never worked anyway, Crowley being Crowley. It would have been different for a mature person who has long settled down and possessed a much more stable personality. Without having read the Mathers or the Dehn translation, I get the impression that the overall 'Abramelin workload' is not much more demanding (and less strenous) than that of an ambitious amateur athlete who gets up early in the morning for some roadwork and hits the gym or dojo in the evening after work. What Crowley most likely had in mind was a retreat, and by now us Westerners have heard about what e.g. Tibetan monks get up to in this respect, for example living in a cave for twelve years, so that probably also played a certain role in creating the onerous and forbidding image of the Abramelin.

I personally wasn't aware of any 'RAW movement', I didn't even know that Wilson wrote about the HGA.

As to chaos magick, I'm under the impression that it arouse when some young wanna-be wizards in the early Seventies became frustrated with the sanctimonious high-magic rhetoric of Eliphas Levi, Crowley, Dion Fortune, W.E. Butler, etc. because they wanted to know how to, you know, actually get stuff (I guess witchcraft and folk magic never had that problem). Then Pete Carroll chanced about Spare's sigil magic, and the rest was history. My impression is that chaos magic doesn't lend itself easily to high magic endeavours like Knowledge and Conversation with one's Holy Guardian Angel but it does one inspire to think outside the box (and oftentimes dismantle the box itself in the process). However, attaining K&C is not like getting a raise or getting laid next Friday. In my own experience, chaos magic is not very well suited to long-term projects in general - to specific one-time results, ok, but not to drawn-out processes.

However, I've had this idea about how to establish contact with my guardian angel using chaos sigil magic: first you formulate your Sentence of Desire and draw yourself a sigil according to the usual methods. Then you return to the letters used for the sigil and see if you can combine them into cool-sounding barbarous words (what Carroll calls the 'mantrical spell method'); feel free to discard any letters you don't need but don't add any new ones. It would be best to create some sort of physical talisman by carving the sigil into wood, on a lump of playdough, etc. and then hold that talisman (in a specific mudra?) while meditating, silently reciting your HGA mantra and visualising the associated sigil, say for half an hour every day. It might work, I think.
If you do try this method of yours i would love to hear how well it worked for you — although this is a personal thing, I would like to know how effective it is for HGA.

I do have a suggestion for altering your method that i have personally thought of in the past which i never attempted.

Instead of the regular chaos magic were you would make a sigil with the remaining letters you have, i thought of making a phonetic image representing all the sounds of the remaining letters. So it would be like illustration of a mythical beast with several different types of animals mixed into one. Or it could be a abstract image only making sense to you in your own mind to illustrate the sounds of the remaining letters — or a combination of both that and the mythical beast to extend EMOTION into the art.

I will save this for another thread. Writting this down here so i dont forget forgive me, going way off topic.
 

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The subject line is basically the thesis of my post. Every day for the past 15 years I see some nonsense from people where they are convinced that Abramelin or any ceremony to attain Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel is the most intense, difficult, insane shite ever when it is literally one of the simplest ritual procedures to accomplish with hardly any elbow grease. The damn book itself even says that its rules are more guidelines than Gospel truth. So long as the operant doesn't get laid out in bed with illness after taking the vow, assume it's working. Really not that hard.

My proposition that this is the fault of the Chaos Magick and RAW movement is because of their idea that everything in magickal effects has exclusively to do with the psychological impact upon the operator. What logically flows from this is that the more extreme a practice one goes through (Death Posture, anyone?), the more powerful the result will be. So you take this tendency, combine it with Crowley's adoration and exaltation of the KC/HGA experience, and you end up with "I can't meet my angel guardian because I can't quit work for five years and live in a trailer in the desert." The grimoire itself doesn't even call for that in the first place. Whoever takes on the work of the procedure, even by an "orthodox" method, can live a basically normal life with a little prayer and Catholic style fasting right up until the day of the operation. Up until very recently the vast majority of Christians fasted on one proper meal a day with maybe a small snack at another point while working quite physical jobs.

Personally, I think the Abramelin should be rewritten for the people of today who have a significantly shortened attention span, and a far lower tolerance for difficulty. Working from Agrippa's discussions of the purpose of purification being to get us into a "phrensy" or an ecstatic state, not much has to be done now. Everything moves so much faster than it did back in the 14th century that even a week or two could maybe be enough, especially for the younger folks who are typically undisciplined. Just turning off Instagram and TikTok for a few days already has a serious psychological effect that gears one up for big celestial workings.

Dehn translation, Book Three, Ch. 10:

It is best to go into the wilderness and be in solitude until the time is over and the work completed - in the same way that the holy forefathers did. This may be almost impossible; everybody needs to live in the time and with people. If it is not possible to go into the wilderness, then avoid company and business dealings. Because of duty and profession, this is impossible for many people.

I think that these instruction led many over-zealous occult enthusiasts to the conclusion that the more extreme their practical approach to the Abramelin was, the better, but as you correctly said, it isn't strictly necessary. There are more extreme spiritual programs like the
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practices in Tibetan Buddhism with its 100,000 prostrations (and that's just for starters), or Franz Bardon's "Initiation into Hermetics" which is said to require 7 - 30 years to complete.

There is allegedly this Japanese proverb according to which "There are no shortcuts to success" but it wouldn't be practical occultism if aspirants weren't constantly on the lookout for easier, simpler, or faster ways to attain their spiritual goals, and that didn't start only with Robert Anton Wilson or chaos magic. Crowley introduced Indian Yoga into magic, and before him Western occultism appropriated kabbalah and streamlined it for its own ends, to the dismay and indignation of Jewish mystics and rabbis. Tibetan buddhists adopted Indian tantra to speed up the enlightenment process, and today everybody borrows/steals from everyone else.

I suspect the main obstacle for adepts today is the heartfelt prayinh ("Inflame thyself with prayer!") which I would be never able to pull off, not believing in an immanent monotheist god, or any god, period. I wonder if there is any workaround for this… but then the result wouldn't be the Abramelin, would it?
 

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Dehn translation, Book Three, Ch. 10:

It is best to go into the wilderness and be in solitude until the time is over and the work completed - in the same way that the holy forefathers did. This may be almost impossible; everybody needs to live in the time and with people. If it is not possible to go into the wilderness, then avoid company and business dealings. Because of duty and profession, this is impossible for many people.

I think that these instruction led many over-zealous occult enthusiasts to the conclusion that the more extreme their practical approach to the Abramelin was, the better, but as you correctly said, it isn't strictly necessary. There are more extreme spiritual programs like the
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practices in Tibetan Buddhism with its 100,000 prostrations (and that's just for starters), or Franz Bardon's "Initiation into Hermetics" which is said to require 7 - 30 years to complete.

There is allegedly this Japanese proverb according to which "There are no shortcuts to success" but it wouldn't be practical occultism if aspirants weren't constantly on the lookout for easier, simpler, or faster ways to attain their spiritual goals, and that didn't start only with Robert Anton Wilson or chaos magic. Crowley introduced Indian Yoga into magic, and before him Western occultism appropriated kabbalah and streamlined it for its own ends, to the dismay and indignation of Jewish mystics and rabbis. Tibetan buddhists adopted Indian tantra to speed up the enlightenment process, and today everybody borrows/steals from everyone else.

I suspect the main obstacle for adepts today is the heartfelt prayinh ("Inflame thyself with prayer!") which I would be never able to pull off, not believing in an immanent monotheist god, or any god, period. I wonder if there is any workaround for this… but then the result wouldn't be the Abramelin, would it?
Kabbalah is just Neo-Platonism in Aramaic, but that's neither here nor there.

The proposal of this ideal to go hide in the forest is based on the story of the book, where he did it in the desert - though to be fair, that was in much shorter a time as he describes it. Social seclusion is unquestionably an important part of this as well as other magickal processes.

I forget that people generally speaking don't know how to be excited in prayer. To me it's as simple a state to walk into as putting on my pants. Agrippa even says "phrensy" is necessary for all theurgy. All part of our Dionysian mystery-cult heritage. I hope you have ways to get into that state to pull things off.
 

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I would also say that the 'seclusion' part is because interacting with other people can reduce the signal in the signal-to-noise ratio for any magical act - especially when it's as major as this one. Synchronicity is just randomised, intentionless magic - that's why all those incredible coincidences are usually utterly pointless. "My taxicab number this morning was the same as the last digits of my credit card number - the Universe must be trying to tell me something!" :D
 
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