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Per Pew- About three-quarters of White evangelical Protestants (73%) think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.

Just talking about late term is a real distortion
Contrast that with the 10% of US Catholics who think abortion should be illegal in all cases.
76% of US Catholics think abortion should be illegal in some cases but not in others.

White evangelical Protestants are approximately 13% of the population. Catholics are 20-23% of the population. All of the percentages quoted are also from Pew.
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Making things illegal is not the same as fascism.
Sure. We can make things illegal and introduce or enforce fascism. It was one of the main avenues of transforming society in Germany (1933-1945), Italy (1922-1943/45) and Croatia (1941-1945).
Law enforcement is not the same as fascism. I get that the Christians are making laws that support their beliefs, but where is this fascism?
When the laws enacted reasonably result in a fascist ideology then that is fascism.
 
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. Destroying other people's stuff to make yours succeed is just part of human nature.
This is tautological. Everything people do is part of human nature. Your initial claim was that every religion does what Dominionists would hope to do. That is not correct and is ahistorical. I am critical of all religions for reasons I outline elslewhere but they certainly are not all built the same. Youre just trying to avoid at all costs discussing Dominionism specifically, hence the focus on late term abortions. Dominionism is christo-fascism.
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. Making things illegal is not the same as fascism.

It very much can be. Your remark is again ahistorical.
 
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Youre just trying to avoid at all costs discussing Dominionism specifically, hence the focus on late term abortions. Dominionism is christo-fascism.
To quote Louis C.K.... "What year is it?" Christianity is the bedrock of Western culture. It is an intrinsic part of the American psychological landscape. An America without dominant Christian majority would be completely unrecognizable as America. The Christian right recognizes that, and will do what they can to keep it that way. They believe that their system of morals is the correct one.

Aaaaaand the same can be said for pretty much any other religion that we might associate with a large geographic area. Islam, Hinduism, etc, they all do this. Christians don't own the brand. Oh the peaceful Buddhists? So WTF was up with Iwo Jima?

Dominionism is part of religion. Yes, it's a good idea to keep crazy cult leaders away from the reins of power. It's not specific to Christianity.

It very much can be. Your remark is again ahistorical.
Well yes of course it can be, but where is it in this case? At some point you're going to have to draw a line between "fascist" and the regular enforcement of laws you just don't like.
 

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Destroying other people's stuff to make yours succeed is just part of human nature.
I disagree. Humans and probably most mammals at least are at least a spark of the Divine. In my personal view they are much more than just a spark (in fact all life for me is divine, but humans i particular are capable of becoming Gods).

We can consciously choose to move beyond and abandon "destroying other people's stuff to make yours succeed".
 
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Dominionism is part of religion. Yes, it's a good idea to keep crazy cult leaders away from the reins of power. It's not specific to Christianity.
Ok, so you agree with me. Kirk's promotion of Dominionists was a problem. Great, we've gotten somewhere.
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Christians don't own the brand. Oh the peaceful Buddhists? So WTF was up with Iwo Jima?
Well, if we want to refer to actual history, Buddhism does not anywhere come close to the numbers killed by Christian motivated violence against non-believers, and violent oppression of alternative belief systems generally.
 
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Well, if we want to refer to actual history, Buddhism does not anywhere come close to the numbers killed by Christian motivated violence against non-believers, and violent oppression of alternative belief systems generally.

If we just forget about WWII or earlier, there's the situation in that country northwest of Thailand, and Sri Lanka, and in both cases the Buddhists went on pogrom over perceived threats to Buddhist religious culture. People in large groups just act like that. If Wicca were to become the global equivalent of Catholicism, I guarantee they'd be doing horrible things for centuries and more just like other religions do. The "Dominionism" is not specific to Christianity, but to the position of unchecked authority into which religion often manages to place itself.
 
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If we just forget about WWII or earlier, there's the situation in that country northwest of Thailand, and Sri Lanka, and in both cases the Buddhists went on pogrom over perceived threats to Buddhist religious culture. People in large groups just act like that. If Wicca were to become the global equivalent of Catholicism, I guarantee they'd be doing horrible things for centuries and more just like other religions do. The "Dominionism" is not specific to Christianity, but to the position of unchecked authority into which religion often manages to place itself.
I'll repeat what I said. Because it is cold stone historical fact and if you do extensive reading into history you will undersand it

'Buddhism does not anywhere come close to the numbers killed by Christian motivated violence against non-believers, and violent oppression of alternative belief systems generally.'

In India, many religions flourished for thousands of years. Broadly speaking, they weren't oppressed the way Christians spent many, many centuries brutally stamping out every other belief system. I'm not endorsing any religion, but the facts speak for themselves.

Christianity and Islam BY FAR were the most oppressive religions in terms of other belief systems in history. So it isn't just 'people in large groups', but something about those clusters of beliefs (well, egregores) specifically.

You only have to look at Rome. An abundance of religions, practices, beliefs despite strong central authority. Then Christianity took over, and all that was over.
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I'll repeat what I said. Because it is cold stone historical fact and if you do extensive reading into history you will undersand it

'Buddhism does not anywhere come close to the numbers killed by Christian motivated violence against non-believers, and violent oppression of alternative belief systems generally.'

In India, many religions flourished for thousands of years. Broadly speaking, they weren't oppressed the way Christians spent many, many centuries brutally stamping out every other belief system. I'm not endorsing any religion, but the facts speak for themselves.

Christianity and Islam BY FAR were the most oppressive religions in terms of other belief systems in history. So it isn't just 'people in large groups', but something about those clusters of beliefs (well, egregores) specifically.

You only have to look at Rome. An abundance of religions, practices, beliefs despite strong central authority. Then Christianity took over, and all that was over.
Obviously Im being a bit cheeky about Rome...
 
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