[conspiracy] Online chrisristans are a psy-op to derail spirtual conversations.

[Rusty64]

I'll admit, I'm tired of seeing christian hate, I understand why it happens. Many valid reasons to dislike modern christian both protestant and catholic. But I feel like I just groan whenever I see an atheist online making quips about Christianity, its just a tired subject. that is all to say I'm not here to shit on Christians and this isn't a "tell me about why you dis-like abrahamic religion" thread.
in main-stream online spirituality/mysticism/occult spaces(for me my two big examples is Instagram and 4chan's /x/ board, I can't really speak for Twitter or Facebook) there is a pattern of someone talking about any sort of esoteric topic, and getting flooded with "Christ is king" and "you just need Jesus bro" reply's. And often time this is at-least semi-successful in derailing conversations, either by flooding out other voices or more often just making successful engagement bait.
now my theory about why this is so prevalent is that its a deliberate effort to obfuscate esoteric knowledge, I'm not necessarily saying its the U.S. Govt. It could be an effort by the church for all I know(I believe that the catholic church is still clinging on to some degree of polotical power and it may be more than we know). If I were to guess why this is the case i'd say its because esoteric Ideas genrally advocate for more freethinking and autonomy than organized relgion. In my opion there is a large portion of the population who will always be zelots. Just something genetic they need a leader and a greater purpous, and for along time they we're able to fill that with Consumerism or in some cases pop "science." but now that these things are being called into questions by many of these zelotus types returned to organized relgion particuarly Christanity.
There's a similar conspiracy that I need to do more research on, Which is how it seems like in recent years there has been an ever growing push for more people to convert to christianity. Which Based purely on aneicdote appears true to me. Overall tell me what you guys think about these ideas.

 

[HoldAll]

Nah. I just see isolated cranks running amuck whenever they spot an opportunity to indulge in their own self-importance. I do a lot of research on spirituality and the martial arts, and you wouldn't believe how many outlandish discussions are raging on this topic. Christians arguing for the godliness of martial arts using a spate of Bible quotes. Christians vilifying martial arts using a spate of other Bible quotes. Christian karate schools where bowing before partners/opponents is prohibited (only shake their sweaty hands, I suppose) because you should only bow before God, Christian karate schools that don't see a problem with it. Christians targeting Eastern martial arts especially because they might lead to, horror of horrors, meditation, and as everybody knows, once you empty your mind, it'll be immediately occupied by demons. Catholic Zen roshis (a Jesuit specialty), the late former heavyweight boxing Champion George Foreman as an ordained minister, etc., etc.

The big churches including the Catholics are unable to mobilise their barely motivated flocks, the small ones may have the fanatics but not the numbers. What you describe are chumps with low self-esteem randomly attacking targets of opportunity, in my opinion. Headless chickens, the lot of them.

 

[Asteriskos]

Nah. I just see isolated cranks running amuck whenever they spot an opportunity to indulge in their own self-importance. I do a lot of research on spirituality and the martial arts, and you wouldn't believe how many outlandish discussions are raging on this topic. Christians arguing for the godliness of martial arts using a spate of Bible quotes. Christians vilifying martial arts using a spate of other Bible quotes. Christian karate schools where bowing before partners/opponents is prohibited (only shake their sweaty hands, I suppose) because you should only bow before God, Christian karate schools that don't see a problem with it. Christians targeting Eastern martial arts especially because they might lead to, horror of horrors, meditation, and as everybody knows, once you empty your mind, it'll be immediately occupied by demons. Catholic Zen roshis (a Jesuit specialty), the late former heavyweight boxing Champion George Foreman as an ordained minister, etc., etc.

The big churches including the Catholics are unable to mobilise their barely motivated flocks, the small ones may have the fanatics but not the numbers. What you describe are chumps with low self-esteem randomly attacking targets of opportunity, in my opinion. Headless chickens, the lot of them.

Careful observation breeds deep insights!

 

[HoldAll]

What may be a thing is so-called

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as a mass Christian movement; I don't think it's under anyone's direction though, too much disagreement about what's demonic (pokemon, homeopathy, Santa=Satan, etc.). It just feels so good to call yourself a 'spiritual warrior' and harrass people on the internet if you haven't got anything else going in your life. Evoking religion automatically gives you the moral high ground and saves you the bother of defending your private opinion since there's always a giant guy with a big stick behind you who'll enforce its irrefutability in case you're attacked. Concern for the spiritual well-being of one's fellow man doesn't come into it, it's all about self-aggrandizement and ego inflation.

 

[rin_]

I’m going to tread lightly here so as not to risk being disrespectful. I personally believe in Christ…but I vehemently disagree with disparaging anyone for what they believe, why they believe it, and how they choose to live. Does that mean I always keep that ideal in every way, my thoughts, initial impressions? No. I’m finite and fallible, after all, so that would be impossible. But the point is I make it my aim to be respectful and put sincere effort into communicating and building bridges vs moats or bombs.

There are plenty of people who, upon discovering I’m a Christian, become extremely hostile. (Um…but you don’t even know me…) I’ve been called a lot of things lol and the vast majority of them were/are inaccurate. It’s just the way things are is part of how I look at it, and some of that genuinely IS spiritual warfare…but most of it really comes down to 1) disrespect that has been experienced (boundary pushing, closed-mindedness, condemnation, hypocrisy) and 2) people don’t know how to disagree with civility and overcome their own biases appropriately.

It’s commonplace for people nowadays especially it seems to label things as all “acceptable” or good, or all “unacceptable” or bad. I can make a compelling argument against abortion whether or not I am a Christian, but the argument is irrelevant once I say I advocate for life because so many presuppositions are triggered. I am pro-birth, I don’t care about women, I don’t understand, I’ve never been assaulted…I have been assaulted, I do understand, and I do care, but because of the bias, nothing else about me matters. And the bias is so strong that it merits and justifies attack. (If it were possible to physically attack through a screen, I would have been in a lot of trouble.) In much the same way, people tend to react strongly when someone proclaims their religious affiliation because of the presuppositions at work. Ironically, those presuppositions may not be very accurate at all. The people in question may not even realize what they are. But the point is, once that kind of polarization occurs—this person is other than me, and bad—disrespect tends to follow and be considered justifiable.

I will note that disparaging or being disrespectful is not the same as judging by the standard presented in the Bible—what constitutes right and wrong, true or false. (And obviously that isn’t getting into nuance or paradox or misunderstanding or anything more complicated, just a generalization.) The issue is the relationship and way you communicate what you believe. Connect and exchange. Express genuine curiosity. And obviously not violating someone’s free will or crossing boundaries intentionally is crucial.

As a broader generalization, humans are incredibly curious…but very ignorant. We just don’t know what we don’t know. We can look at something and see a facet of it, and miss the other twenty and never realize it, never mind how that something is connected to something else (context).

Biblically, it is discouraged to pursue esoteric knowledge such as those things discussed on this forum in part because we fall prey to deception so easily. We cannot distinguish effectively enough to protect ourselves. It’s basically stating, “This is a field filled with mines. Don’t go in the field.” It isn’t to keep something you need away; it’s to protect you…from yourself, from harmful entities, from unnecessary psychological distress. And I think many people on here can relate that in their relationships with various entities, those entities will have boundaries not only presented for themselves…but for the humans involved.

It’s also discouraged because some things genuinely are either true or are false from an objective standpoint. Obviously we choose whether or not we are in agreement with that authority. But those who are in agreement recognize—either from experience or caution—that going beyond certain bounds can have very unpleasant consequences. They may not want others to experience those consequences, so they share their journey and hope that the reality sinks in.

Choices have consequences. Not every repercussion is negative, but we learn a lot.

Ultimately we need to work on our arrogance and check our attitude when communicating with others is my take on things.