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Hello guys, I sometimes pathwork my way through the Tree of Life. And recently decided to go to Da’ath but I need a God name associated with Da’ath. I already got an archangel associated with Da’ath which is Ekenor.

Does anyone know the God name associated with the Da’ath?
 

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Hello guys, I sometimes pathwork my way through the Tree of Life. And recently decided to go to Da’ath but I need a God name associated with Da’ath. I already got an archangel associated with Da’ath which is Ekenor.

Does anyone know the God name associated with the Da’ath?
Da’ath is not really a true Sefirot and is not usually used in pathworking.

It’s just used to represent the Abyss.

The God name that is normally used is borrowed from Binah.

YHVH Elohim or Jehovah Elohim

Again though there isn’t really anything to pathwork there.
 

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The four "worlds":

1. Azilut (Emanation) - the eternal unchanging Divine world

2. Beriah (Creation) - considered "Heaven" proper, it is the first separation from the Divine, and "location" of the Throne of God and archangels

3. Yezirah (Formation) - the abode of the "lower angels," men's souls and the Garden of Eden

4. Asiyyah (Action) - the material universe in which we live


To operate through Da'ath it is generally necessary for the human to be functional in Yezirah where Da'ath exists

Quite a lot of inner development is required
 

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Hello guys, I sometimes pathwork my way through the Tree of Life. And recently decided to go to Da’ath but I need a God name associated with Da’ath. I already got an archangel associated with Da’ath which is Ekenor.

Does anyone know the God name associated with the Da’ath?

Rabbi Joseph Gikatilla has it as במתי ( BawMawTaY ) from D'varim 32:13. The explanation ( paraphrasing ) is that it is at the top of the "vav" of zeir-anpin. ( Gates of Light Pg. 226 ).

32:13 is "He made him ride on the high places of the earth, and he ate the produce of the fields; and he made him suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock" According to the story/myth, במת is a "high-place" the "bahmot" are the high places where offerings were brought originally ( pre temple pre tabernacle. So, Da'at at the top of the "vav" makes sense that it would be designated in this way. Although it is not technically a divine name.

For pronounciation, if that is part of your practice, if one wants to be very-very precise, it appears that there is a very brief glottal stop between the first and second syllable, the middle syllable is accented, and the yud at the end shouldn't be dropped. It ends with a long A sound, then the yud, Ayeh". "baw'MAWtayeh " The accents are coming from the trope. I would attach a picture, but, I'm new here and I'm not sure how to attach a screenshot.

There's other names that a person could use too. For an egyptian option, there is Thoth. For Greek there is Gnostica. For something sinister there is Nachash.
 

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Maybe Pluto/Hades? That would fit the Abyss concept very well, I think.
 

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To operate through Da'ath it is generally necessary for the human to be functional in Yezirah where Da'ath exists

I have not heard this before and was taught something else. Why wouldn't it exist in all 4 realms?
 

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Why wouldn't it exist in all 4 realms?
Da'ath is a resonance from a higher state. If you want to work effectively with that energy, you will need effective access to that higher state.
 

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Da'ath is a resonance from a higher state. If you want to work effectively with that energy, you will need effective access to that higher state.

I hear you, but, if it is a resonance from a higher state, then there would need to be something blocking it from resonating in assiyah. Do you see what I mean?

I don't mean to argue. If you think daat is somehow distant, OK. I simply disagree.

That said ultimately, at its most fundemental, foundational level, do you agree "as it is above, so it is below"? It is probably the most important principle in this context. It is repeated again and again and again in the Zohar. That's why I was surprised with the comment attempting to prohibit/discourage someone from daat.
 

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need to be something blocking it from resonating in assiyah
Alternatively the substance of Assiyah does not resonate well with some higher vibrations. Numerical patterns are important for resonance. For example odd numbered planes resonate together

There are also veils/webs used to prevent inappropriate/early human interaction with higher plane substances. Some psychoactive substances can rip the veils with problematic results

One of my sons was a self-proclaimed materialistic atheist. He went to bed one night and could not sleep at all. In the morning he announced that he was going to become a GD magician.

When I looked I could see that the veil separating the dense physical subplanes from the etheric subplanes had been removed and the reality of etheric substance was obvious to him.

There are other veils too.
 

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the substance of Assiyah does not resonate well with some higher vibrations.

Thank you. I think I understand your perspective and point of view much better now. Yes. I agree with this, but I would encourage any readers that they are much-much more than substance, particularly in their heart/soul/psyche. The heart/soul/psyche, from my point of view, would not have any limitations which are inherrent in any substance. ( the metaphorical heart, not the literal heart )

What you are describing as energetic resonance, I would call, the "shefa", the ever-flowing vitality. This ever-flowing is recognizable in different forms and is referred to using different words. In this specific case, there is a specific manner of ever-flowing commonly referred to as "daat". Those who are familiar with these ideas, would also be familiar with the other recognizable forms of the "shefa" other than "daat". All of these recognizable forms and expressions when considered in total are "reality".

The "shefa", in my opinion, is a better description for the energetic resonance which is being reflected, literally, present-progressive, through the "vav" from the ineffable, mysterious, unknowable, source. ( see picture below, click on the spoiler to view it ) Yes, this "forming" of the "shefa" into something called "daat" would be considered in the realm of yetzirah. Forming is in quotes, because it's not actually being formed, that is only how it appears, how it is recognized.

As a consequence, as I was taught, I cannot limit it to the realm yetzirah. Instead, as an on-going, ever-flowing energetic resonance, I am tracing it in total, from the mysterious ineffable unknowable source, all the way through the nearly infinite nested chain of emanations beginning with the aleph in atzilut ( the first letter of the word, again see picture below ) . This includes all 4 realms including yetzirah, and assiyah, and even beyond into the realm of the "ayin", the klipoth, the other-side, and its returning, back through all of those stations, level to level, to the source, madrega d'madrega (
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For me, it is like a circuit, or a water-wheel. "Shefa" ever-flowing. The ancient jewish philosophers imagined a processional of angels on a "schedule" which "repeated", which could be considered like a chariot for the heart/soul/psyche, a mercavah (
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The chariot has a driver, the chariot itself, and the passenger. All three are important to consider in this context.

This analogy/metaphor is consistent and true even at the most basic level. Life has its ups-and-downs. Sometimes its smooth. Sometimes its rocky. Sometimes there's a blockage beyond our control. Rivers to cross. Stuck in the mud. Sometimes it's a pleasure, sometimes it's a disaster, nothing but heartburn, heartache, headache, backache, confusion, consterantion, and frustration. Just like a long trip on an old chariot or in a stage-coach in the past.

And, it's also possible to get confused and go the wrong way. Ultimately, one is putting all their faith in the driver. In a busy train station, this happens. One side of the tracks is heading towards home, the other is not, but all the train cars look identical. The doors open briefly, the conductor says something unintelligable, it's confusing. Lacking a good map and a compass, it's a leap of faith crossing through the portal which snaps shut rapidly and securely behind you. In just a few moments the individual is trapped. Even the compass is worthless if the train station is underground. Perhaps when it surfaces, one can get their bearings, but, it's best to have local knowledge or a guide. Otherwise, it's cross your fingers or say a silent prayer, hop aboard, and away you go into the unknown.

From this perspective, daat ( and the others ) is a vessel, a train-car, in the creative process, which is operating on a "cycle", similar to a pendulum. Similar. But the vessel has an ever-flowing vitality "contained" in the form of the vessel "daat". "Contained "is in quotes because it cannot be contained, that is an illusion, and "cycle" is in quotes because, again, it is all happening simultaneously.

There are also veils...

As you wrote, "veils" are being applied, from level to level, (madrega d'madrega), but from my perspective, the "veiling" is occuring not as a garment, a "veil", but instead as a nearly infinite chain of emanating vessels. But the "veil" is a wonderful metaphor, in my opinion, because it is like a garment, and it is fluid, and a lot can be understood about what is being "veiled" because of the "veil's" attributes which are revealed by examining / feeling / exploring / sensing the attributes of the "veil" as it is "draping" or "concealing" the ever-flowing "shefa".

In a way, yes, I agree, this veil can be lifted, for lack of better words, via the awareness of what it truly is, just a veil. But in this context, energetics, I prefer the vessel imagery. The vessel comes "first" ( in quotes because it is actually all simultaenous ), through the four realms. These vessels are nesting, one within another, again and again and again, like russian dolls. Each and every of these is over-flowing with the ever-flowing "shefa" from the mysterious ineffable source, continuously and simultaneously.

Specifically in this case, lifting the "veil" of what is recognizable as daat, is opening a russian doll which reveals another russian doll identical to the first but smaller. Lifting that veil reveals another identical veil, and this can be repeated ad infinitum but, it's all the samme doll, so, why do that? The same "veiling" which is recognizable and commonly referred to as "daat" is above and below, left and right, inner and outer, for good and for evil, simultaneously, concurrently, omni-present in any possible world/realm.

Because of this, when I am "operating through daat" as you wrote, I do not actually need to depart from assiyah. I can if I choose to, but it's not needed.

Quite a lot of inner development is required

Yes. I agree. A proper, healthy, inner development, personal exploration, this is what I would call "grounding".

It is a method which produces a realization of the distinction between the vessel and its contents but never-never denies either one. This method answers the questions: What is the outer-shell, the outer dimension of everything that exists? And conversely, simultaneously, what is the inner-dimension, the soul, spirit, essence of everything that exists? These questions are answer both in general and in particular. It is an on-going process of grounding. Grounding, present-progressive.

From a very down-to-earth perspective, lacking this proper inner development, in the extreme, an individual becomes superficial and materialistic focusing only on the outer-shell and ignoring the inner-essence. Conversely, lacking an appreciation for the outer shell, and person ignores all differences and distinctions, and everything is equated in broad-brush generalizations. Also, the person is unable to appreciate that others have a different point of view. So, they get frustrated when others do not understand or acknowledge their inner-experience as being different from the objective shared reality.

There are also veils/webs

Agreed. Webs... Proper grounding prevents this.

Because of this, a balanced approach, is what I was taught, a middle path, where caution is warranted because it is possible to get caught up in what I would describe as a spiral or a never ending maze, like you wrote, a web. I also like the analogy of a room full of mirrors, top-to-bottom, left to right, and lacking any doors.

Infinite webs and infinite spirals and disorientation... up can be down, left can be right, inner confused with outer, good and evil lose all meaning, denial of reality... total oblivion.

To operate through Da'ath it is generally necessary for the human to be functional in Yezirah where Da'ath exists

Quite a lot of inner development is required

Yes! I agree! Grounding, being fully and completely funtctional in the realm of yetzirah is a great idea. And this is where the concepts of nested vessels and ever-flowing in an unbreakable partnership are put into good use. U

And yes, you're right, that grounding comes from the realm of yetzirah. But, even this realm can be misapplied and flipped. Unless that's a person's goal: to flip things, then the flipping is intentional and not a problem, but is instead a solution.
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Not that I practise the Kabbalah but I seem to recall that Da'ath is actually Yesod on the next higher and overlapping tree

That would be malchut overlapping with kesser and vice-versa. Daat, is most often depicted as a dotted circle which can potentially have link up and out of the tree "up" to kesser, but it can also be flipped and go straight to the bottom of the bottom of the klipoth which is the inverted kesser of the other-side.
 
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