Death Cults, Blood Magick and Demonic Posessions!!!

[IllusiveOwl]

Why dont you go F yourself fag?

Ah I see, so you have an educated background and know how to employ the Socratic method, I stand corrected.

 

[Morell]

@MorganBlack Thanks for pointing out the dating.

She mentions Steiner herself in the video so she definitely knows his work. Turns out that my first impression about his philosophy was wrong. I didn't think that he was a mystic. I thought that he was an atheist, because this system shamanism (or the most primitive religions)->polytheism->monotheism is part of thought school that was having theory of religious evolution shamanism->polytheism->monotheism->atheism. Not sure about the timing, though. Thinking about it I would blindly guess somewhere around Darwin... Both those ways of thinking are nowadays outdated.

@sahgwa You got the point that some things she says are not nonsense. And I have to admit that if nothing else, she is great speaker. She really knows how to make a point. However even though she get few things right, her system as a whole I would not encourage.

 

[reverendsteveii]

I'm 30 minutes into the video and I already guessed that girl is from USA and probably Christian or ex-Christian. Also she is, kindly said, not worth the time. She knows nothing about Paganism in history. She idealizes the past, it was never as she things. Group mind of pagans? No. We lost our higher senses? No. People were less corrupted? No. Pagans didn't do sacrifices of animals and humans? Sorry, but they did.

Are mafias influenced by demonic forces? No. Some might be on the way to become monsters and demons themselves, but no, they are not controlled by some forces of evil that seek to torment humanity. We do that ourselves.

If you want to get decent info on the occult past, watch Esoterica.

hard agree with you here. in fact, I've seen this sort of "lost civilization with advanced tech, incredible magic abilities and moral perfection" legend centered on Atlantis, Hyperborea, Shangri-La, Mu, and Lemuria though this is the first time I've seen it focused on a place and people that we know existed. Luckily in the age of the internet it's possible to lie about just about anything, not just things for which we don't know the truth.

I'd also like to add Angela's Symposium to your recommendation.

 

[Morell]

hard agree with you here. in fact, I've seen this sort of "lost civilization with advanced tech, incredible magic abilities and moral perfection" legend centered on Atlantis, Hyperborea, Shangri-La, Mu, and Lemuria though this is the first time I've seen it focused on a place and people that we know existed. Luckily in the age of the internet it's possible to lie about just about anything, not just things for which we don't know the truth.

I'd also like to add Angela's Symposium to your recommendation.

It's an irony. I do believe that Atlantis existed and that it was highly developed civilization that turned very highly corrupted. And that is why I hope that it will be never found. We would not find great good, but the evil that had to be erased from this world. If it were found and released again... not worth it.

I could speak here more about lost civilizations, but this is not the place. Besides even though I'm myself believer, that doesn't mean that it is in the end true. So I'll just say that we should focus on what we have now and on improving ourselves and our situation. Our own time has more than enough mess to deal with.

 

[reverendsteveii]

It's an irony. I do believe that Atlantis existed and that it was highly developed civilization that turned very highly corrupted. And that is why I hope that it will be never found. We would not find great good, but the evil that had to be erased from this world. If it were found and released again... not worth it.

I could speak here more about lost civilizations, but this is not the place. Besides even though I'm myself believer, that doesn't mean that it is in the end true. So I'll just say that we should focus on what we have now and on improving ourselves and our situation. Our own time has more than enough mess to deal with.

I should have been clear, I also think an Atlantis existed, and I'm willing to make room in my brain for the idea that they were advanced compared to the civilizations that surrounded them. But the truth value of the Atlantis myth isn't what I'm really talking about here, it's more that there's a sort of mythological attractor around the idea of a civilization that was impossibly complex and advanced, had solved all of humanity's woes, developed amazing tech and magick and then one day just disappeared. This is just the first time I've seen it applied to a part of the world where we have such a strong idea of what was actually happening. We call the part of European history in question here the dark ages because we lost a ton of infrastructure and record keeping when Rome collapsed but compared to the lost civilizations from other legends we have much, much more information about what was going on in post-collapse Europe. That was what was interesting to me: the ability to lie when we know for sure and can prove it a lie. It's very Spectacular in the Debord/Deleuze/Foucault sense

 

[sahgwa]

@MorganBlack Thanks for pointing out the dating.

She mentions Steiner herself in the video so she definitely knows his work. Turns out that my first impression about his philosophy was wrong. I didn't think that he was a mystic. I thought that he was an atheist, because this system shamanism (or the most primitive religions)->polytheism->monotheism is part of thought school that was having theory of religious evolution shamanism->polytheism->monotheism->atheism. Not sure about the timing, though. Thinking about it I would blindly guess somewhere around Darwin... Both those ways of thinking are nowadays outdated.

@sahgwa You got the point that some things she says are not nonsense. And I have to admit that if nothing else, she is great speaker. She really knows how to make a point. However even though she get few things right, her system as a whole I would not encourage.

I have been around the block enough to know that there are always bits and pieces everywhere that are useful To me she is more in tune with truth when she talks about maintaining sovereignty of the soul, and not giving it up to any other power, also to realise we are being lied to about a lot of history on this planet, especially about extraterrestrials/ultraterrestrials/cryptoterrestrials/etc.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

All humans have the choice to do 'good' or 'evil' ; it has generally nothing to do with demons, or possession, and more to do with what they choose to glorify and focus on. Human attention, imagination, and energy is extremely powerful,

The thing is that I read from another book called "The Exorcist Handbook" by Josephine Mc Carthy the head of Quareia, she is a full time exorcist and she does mentioned that demons can posses people, influence them and she even says that big demons can control a group of people, or that a group of demons can even control a nation, it does not say like the whole nation would be possessed, but they will suffer from certain degree of influence.

On G. Youngs video she mentioned the blood sacrifices and the death cult of the Mayan prehispanic tribes, and that is something I already tought of, they had shamans, they where powerfull priests in their society, and they commanded who gets sacrificed, and they commited cannibalism, modern satanism is not that different from certain prehispanic cultures that where ruthless and bloodthirsty, what I try to elaborate is that the religious people of the Mayans where doing degenerated stuff and where plain evil, according to Mc Carthy and Young the Mayans do sound to be influenced by demonic forces and most important our current state in Mexico is horrible, there are thousands of murders every month, is like every mexican state has its own death cult and some of this cartels are known to pray and worship Santa Muerte, and they worship other idols less known outside of Mexico, I do remember as well in northern Mexico there was a witch that worked with some cartel, they where called the "NarcoSatanicos" because they where looking for people and offered them in sacrifice, even americans got kidnapped by this cartel and they where brought to the witch and where offered as a satanic offering.
Thank you.

 

[Faria]

I do remember as well in northern Mexico there was a witch that worked with some cartel, they where called the "NarcoSatanicos" because they where looking for people and offered them in sacrifice, even americans got kidnapped by this cartel and they where brought to the witch and where offered as a satanic offering.

Good ol' Adolfo Constanzo. Unfortunately he was just a guy who was full of shit and kinda crazy and always on drugs, who knew that most of his loser henchmen were very superstitious people.

 

[HellenaHex]

Okay I’ll be straight forward. I strongly disagree with Gigi Young and others like her, however, I’m not so closed minded that I’m not open to being proven wrong. The one thing I will agree on at the moment is that in the distant past humans were closer to the spirit realm and not so closed minded about the uncanny. Due to this and factors like their different sleep schedule, and varying cultural influences they were more prone to lucid dreaming and noticing spiritual contact. So I agree they were more likely to have a supernatural experience but they weren’t all gifted psychics or clairvoyant. That can be surmised from the fact that the roll of shaman or spirit speaker has been around forever and that people with gifts of that sort were either praised or shunned.

That being said, in your opinion how would one go about knowing when they are themselves versus when they are being influenced by demonic forces? Because if what she is saying is true that would mean from the moment you have a soul or thoughts you are immediately susceptible to having your thoughts or emotions controlled. Then it would stand to reason children would be especially susceptible to this sort of attack since they haven’t learned how to properly guard their minds. Their openness is actually why children have more encounters with spirits and many will grow out of that from having their parents and their communities beliefs force fed to them. I think we can agree children raised in safe empathic homes, and that are taught morals are usually fairly innocent, and good as a whole. Which would imply having an unguarded mind doesn’t increase the likelihood of being influenced toward evil by an outside force.

Children raised in abusive homes with no moral guidance are likely to be more self centered, violent, apathetic, or even sadistic. The outside force causing that would be other humans who behave that way not demons. Genetics also plays a role in this too of course such as if psychopathy runs in the family or addictions. But that aside the energy a home like that could certainly attract an entity that feeds off of those energies but it isn’t hijacking their minds and forcing it. I do think possessions are possible though but not as common as the movies would like. The point being though is that the evil in man is completely man made.

You mentioned sex magic, blood sacrifices, death cults, and animal sacrifices specifically and said that those things didn’t exist before the rise of Christianity, however, that simply isn’t true. For example Christianity is roughly 2,000 years old. The oldest proof of animal sacrifice is about 6,000 years old. This temple is in Türkiye and has evidence of animal sacrifice and human sacrifice. One of its prominent features are the blood channels and marks on the altars. In Egypt proof of animal sacrifice can be found dating back to 4400 BCE. There are many others from around the globe you can easily fact check. Human Sacrifice took place in the Middle Neolithic period in Europe, dating between 5400 and 4800 BCE. It also took place in Ancient China (3rd–1st millennia BCE), as well as in Ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt (3rd–2nd millennia BCE).

Evidence for sex magic and religious beliefs can be found in Ancient Egypt dating around 1470 BCE at the "Festival of Drunkenness," where men and women celebrated the warrior Goddess Sehkmet with excessive drinking, frenzied dancing, and massive orgies. In Ancient Greece men were known to use hateful nude female clay effigies that they would stab with to torment, bind and curse a woman to be obsessed and only be satisfied by the male caster. Women of the time didn’t do sex curses but rather asked for blessings.

Death cults existed in ancient Egypt, Pre-Hispanic Mexico, Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, Prehistoric Malta, Bronze Age Cypress, and Ancient Israel. There were probably way more but these are the ones that we can currently prove. However, I would argue that ancient burial mounds and ancestral veneration would fall into this category assuming when you say death cult you are referring to all religious practices and beliefs focused on the veneration of the dead and the afterlife. Some of which did also include some of our previously discussed topics.

My personal thoughts on this matter comes down to the proposed hypothesis on gangs/cartel and the like being influenced by Demons. My personal stance is that as a whole they are not. The evil behaviors you see being displayed are evil human behaviors witnessed throughout history unfortunately. I have personal experience with the crips and the blood from when I lived in GA and during that I learned that many of them identified as Christian or they weren’t sure if there was anything. They had as a whole zero occult or spiritual knowledge or practices. They were known to use violence and rape but it had nothing to do with demonic influence and everything to do with human dark psychology. Some Mexican cartels might believe in the occult and practice but that doesn’t account for the ones that don't. There is also proof over the years of gangs or murders in general using false occult aesthetics as a way of spreading fear. Not to be confused with the mentally ill and evil serial killers who believed Satan wanted them to do it. Though I’d like to add that I think the best known serial killers with that excuse were just mentally ill and not having genuine spiritual experiences.

I also think you forgot to mention the KKK and sadistic gangs/terrorist organizations in general like theirs. Such as the proud boys, modern Nazis, and others I won’t name in this post to avoid unnecessary drama. Since they display very serious violent hate fueled rhetoric, have a history of being rather shady Christian’s who are gleeful murderers as well as rapists who reveal in it, and they desire slavery. I felt they truly ought to have been mentioned. Not because they are influenced by demons but because they were easily manipulated by other humans and their own need to feel superior. This often comes from the wealthy in power not wanting to risk losing it all when the poor all work together to overthrow them. Therefore they sew seeds of racial and cultural hate which ultimately distracts the weak willed masses who desire someone to blame all their problems on. It’s also been proven by psychologists that it has to do with their need to feel superior and special. If everyone were equal they wouldn’t be able to live in the lie of false superiority that they love so much.

Gigi Young mentions a more tribal soul era where individuals each have their own roles and there were no leaders other than maybe a spiritual one. However we know that there has always been rape and murder even during 430,000 years ago. Which was the time of the Neanderthal and Hominins. There is evidence of a child from that time having had their tongue cut out. During their lives they had groups and an Egalitarian social structure. Which is the closest social structure to what Gigi Young believes pagans once all practiced before Christianity. Please bear in mind at this point there is no real evidence of religious practice outside of what would become the beginning of ancestral veneration.

In an Egalitarian social structure there is task-dependent leadership. Instead of a permanent leader, individuals would take charge of specific activities. If someone was particularly skilled at leading hunts they would be given that task. All leading tasks would be designated to whoever had the best skill in the area. But they had no concept of a single leader. Early human groups function through cooperation and collective effort for survival. Attempts to dominate others were often met with social sanctions, including banishment which could be a death sentence. Early humans began to transition from egalitarian societies to hierarchies with leaders and organized warfare around 10,000 years ago with the development of agriculture and permanent settlements.This shift allowed for food surpluses, property accumulation, and larger group sizes, which in turn created opportunities for individuals to accumulate power and resources, leading to greater social stratification and organized conflict.

Our take away from that can be that as a whole selfishness didn’t exist really until the concept of greed and envy. Which came from the accumulation of what one day we would consider wealth, and the divide between those who had it and those who didn’t. During this time our numbers grew and people turned to fear and violence to control others. Organized wars also became a problem. This all existed prior to all known religions, including Christianity.

So while I do believe there are various spirits that could feed off of or Influence a person I don’t think we as humans can really blame them as a whole for our own dark desires or violent tendencies. Humans are capable of great atrocities and always have been. Though how we measure and define them have changed over the years due to the growth in our intellect and cultural influences over time. What is more concerning and causes a rise in organized hate crimes, sex crimes, and violence actually comes from our ability to find like minded individuals and share our thoughts easily thanks to the invention of the internet… I could go on but I think as a whole my stance is explained…

I haven’t finished watching all of her videos that are on the “OCCULTED” topic but perhaps when I do I will write separate posts or journals on them. Also please don’t think I am trying to make you feel bad, that isn’t my intent. I simply wanted to share why I would question her theories and those of Josephine McCarthy. If they resonate with you, that is perfectly fine. I would just warn you about the dangers of blaming evil on outside forces as a whole rather than expecting humans to be held accountable for their own actions. I don’t mean for this to be a lecture. I'm sorry if it comes across that way. This was just my autism demanding I share the facts on a topic I actually have experience in and strong opinions.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

The thing is that I read from another book called "The Exorcist Handbook" by Josephine Mc Carthy the head of Quareia, she is a full time exorcist and she does mentioned that demons can posses people, influence them and she even says that big demons can control a group of people, or that a group of demons can even control a nation, it does not say like the whole nation would be possessed, but they will suffer from certain degree of influence.

On G. Youngs video she mentioned the blood sacrifices and the death cult of the Mayan prehispanic tribes, and that is something I already tought of, they had shamans, they where powerfull priests in their society, and they commanded who gets sacrificed, and they commited cannibalism, modern satanism is not that different from certain prehispanic cultures that where ruthless and bloodthirsty, what I try to elaborate is that the religious people of the Mayans where doing degenerated stuff and where plain evil, according to Mc Carthy and Young the Mayans do sound to be influenced by demonic forces and most important our current state in Mexico is horrible, there are thousands of murders every month, is like every mexican state has its own death cult and some of this cartels are known to pray and worship Santa Muerte, and they worship other idols less known outside of Mexico, I do remember as well in northern Mexico there was a witch that worked with some cartel, they where called the "NarcoSatanicos" because they where looking for people and offered them in sacrifice, even americans got kidnapped by this cartel and they where brought to the witch and where offered as a satanic offering.
Thank you.

Of course nothing I say here will be heard, the OP has been locked in this infantile perspective for his entire time on this forum, and has interest in doing nothing but justifying his delusional world-view, probably because they lack the cognitive ability to grasp the complexity of our world/situation. It's probably why his life is such a chaotic mess. Still, I'll give a single cent because this thread isn't worth two.

A good rule of thumb is that if what you are learning in terms of the Esoteric simplifies the world, it's incorrect. Especially if the information is religious dogma and takes metaphors like "demons" literally. This is childish and enraptures the weak-minded, not only that, it takes away the agency and dignity that some human beings are capable of possessing either through natural grace or development. Reality is so complex it's incomprehensible without years of sober and determined research. If it takes no less than five years of disciplined research to learn how to become a doctor, how can you possibly believe you understand the undercurrents of the world by watching a handful of youtube videos and reading a couple books written by unverified underground quacks?

Much violent occult activity is simply not genuine Satanic, Wiccan, or Black Magical activity, it's delusion. General Buttnaked sacrificed a child every time him and his boys went out to combat in Liberia, not because it made them bulletproof, but because the belief that it did made them braver and more successful. No actual magic happened here. The violent and depraved enjoy Satanic imagery because of the dark aesthetic, and when you murder a child, likely the only god you can stand up to with a puffed out chest is some kind of Satan-icon. That being said, some kind of occult activity can take place from these people if they're self-willed and intelligent enough to do so, however the overwhelming majority of these people are just too stupid to actually be genuine Satanists or Black Magicians.

Given to how simple and easy-to-anger this OP is, we can use them as an example of what a kind of "Widespread Possession" would actually look like. This person believes whatever they hear if it's convincing enough, and it has warped his perception so much that he sees the world in black & white, probably causing immense stress and disorientation. He has read and listened to stupid people, who have been warped by many intelligent people with a sociopathic / manipulative bent. This has happened in most churches upper echelons, and governments; they use their awareness of how common stupidity is among the human ranks to engineer Psyops that encourage helplessness, slavery, and instability, false and emotionally charged narratives that, over time, stir resentments that peak with violence. This is what happened in the Inquisition, the Crusades, the 40's, and what has been happening to many parts of the world where "Race Wars" and several extreme political happenings are being justified.

Rather than calling it a Mass-Demonic-Possession, the more accurate term would be Mass-Psychosis. There is no demons involved, individuals who have no center are stirred into a frenzy because they're stupid. How this happens is incredibly complex, and requires a lot more writing than I'm willing to give here, because again the OP has no interest in hearing rationality.

 

[Dona]

The thing is that I read from another book called "The Exorcist Handbook" by Josephine Mc Carthy the head of Quareia, she is a full time exorcist and she does mentioned that demons can posses people, influence them and she even says that big demons can control a group of people, or that a group of demons can even control a nation, it does not say like the whole nation would be possessed, but they will suffer from certain degree of influence.

On G. Youngs video she mentioned the blood sacrifices and the death cult of the Mayan prehispanic tribes, and that is something I already tought of, they had shamans, they where powerfull priests in their society, and they commanded who gets sacrificed, and they commited cannibalism, modern satanism is not that different from certain prehispanic cultures that where ruthless and bloodthirsty, what I try to elaborate is that the religious people of the Mayans where doing degenerated stuff and where plain evil, according to Mc Carthy and Young the Mayans do sound to be influenced by demonic forces and most important our current state in Mexico is horrible, there are thousands of murders every month, is like every mexican state has its own death cult and some of this cartels are known to pray and worship Santa Muerte, and they worship other idols less known outside of Mexico, I do remember as well in northern Mexico there was a witch that worked with some cartel, they where called the "NarcoSatanicos" because they where looking for people and offered them in sacrifice, even americans got kidnapped by this cartel and they where brought to the witch and where offered as a satanic offering.
Thank you.

Is it so hard for you to see that ignorance is the root of all evil ?

 

[Seimulluh]

@Audiolog Edu I think you should read the book again or listen to glitch bottle podcasts if you think she is full time exorcist.