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Not sure if this is considered occult for this forum. But does anyone have any experience working as a death doula or with death in a hospice or anything ? Obviously not serial killers or murders but I want to hear from people who have helped other transition to death. I’ve applied to volunteer in a hospice and it seems the training is very spiritual.
just wondering, theres gotta be occult teachings on death and end of life transitions. What have people experienced?
I recently got back from visiting some family who is very old and is transitioning to end of life. but can still talk and has brain power left. I was trying to come up with questions to ask them about what they’re experiencing. They were most receptive when I prayed for them. I’ve tried sending energy through meditation but not sure if it was a bust or not. Does anyone have Any suggestions of questions I could ask them or rituals I could do to help with this?
I want to learn more about death doula work and end of life transitions. Also trying to escape samsara myself. And think it’s a good topic to explore. Anyways….
Not sure if this is considered occult for this forum. But does anyone have any experience working as a death doula or with death in a hospice or anything ?
Obviously not serial killers or murders but I want to hear from people who have helped other transition to death. I’ve applied to volunteer in a hospice and it seems the training is very spiritual.
just wondering, theres gotta be occult teachings on death and end of life transitions. What have people experienced?
There is mention about it here and there , recently in the 'Thelema' thread in LHP forum . Also I imagine you will get hits from the seach function on that subject .
I recently got back from visiting some family who is very old and is transitioning to end of life. but can still talk and has brain power left. I was trying to come up with questions to ask them about what they’re experiencing. They were most receptive when I prayed for them. I’ve tried sending energy through meditation but not sure if it was a bust or not. Does anyone have Any suggestions of questions I could ask them or rituals I could do to help with this?
I want to learn more about death doula work and end of life transitions. Also trying to escape samsara myself. And think it’s a good topic to explore. Anyways….
Yeah you don't want to do this. If they are uncoiling from life, you don't want to pepper them with queries which may make them feel they l have to hang on. It would take a certain type of person to want to narrate their death to you.
Personally, I think prayer is problematic (egregores) but sending energy is fine. Even putting yourself into a state of real contemtment and holding their hand to entrain them to that.
Yes I agree with you. In the peppering them with questions. I was hoping for a better idea of ways to learn about what they are going through on the inside. So I could better support them or others. Or help prepare people in the future.
as for the prayer. It’s whatever you like. Prayer is like force and is direct and could be the same as positive reinforcement. I had one dying relative that recently responded well to it but I guarantee you others would not. I know at least one close relative that I definitely would not pray for. Not that I wouldn’t want to. It’s just they wouldn’t take to it so well. So guess problematic in that sense. Things can be done in private.
I was more looking for better ways to approach dying people in a magical sense. With my post
Having dealt with some dying people in the past year...
Yeah you don't want to do this. If they are uncoiling from life, you don't want to pepper them with queries which may make them feel they l have to hang on. It would take a certain type of person to want to narrate their death to you.
Personally, I think prayer is problematic (egregores) but sending energy is fine. Even putting yourself into a state of real contemtment and holding their hand to entrain them to that.
My friend, who I had since was she was a little girl (her father was an arse at times , so I tried to fill that role, so she was somewhat of a 'daughter' to me . Grew up , had a baby , got sick ..... I remember , at her 'deathbed ' holding her hand (even though even that was painful for her ) .
I knew both her parents had been horrible to her thought this ... pricks ! And , being in a somewhat 'alternative' environment had a lot of crazies around her offering her 'philosophical advice ' to the point that her care couple , at her request , had banned and not allowed any visitors . I was so grateful, and still am, that she made an exception for me, yet seemed apprehensive .
I told her ; '' I am not going to go on at you about this , as its an automatic process , you will be taken care of ... and that is all I am going to say about it .'' The relief in her eyes ! Her 'new age' mother was chanting in their back yard outside her window - they had to call the police to remove her . The father wanted her to 'look at' why she 'made herself sick and her karma '. Bastards ! Let her die in peace .
She looked into my eyes and said ' I am dying ... who is going to look after my new little baby ?'' - heart wrenching .
One of her parents could have instead said to her '' I will bring up your son , my grandchild, and look after him .
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Here is something that helps ;
When I was working in the hospital, had a very difficult terminally ill patient ... that would not die ! This happens sometimes , they hang on ... they are tough ... they are not going anywhere ... no matter how sick they get and death is a long struggle for them and the staff and the relatives and .....
So this lady is causing trouble all night , I have been called in several times to try and help calm her , calm her down and stop the stress being caused to other patients . Nurse decided she needed more medication . WE were in the middle of doctors strike ( great ! it went for three years ! ) so no night doctor available, one had to be called in . But one had already been called in, the Psyche doctor to the Psyche ward . he said he would come and have a look . he gave her a shot of something .
She called down , went quiet . I better check , I went in and MY GOD ! She looked like a different person , sitting up in bed smiling , looking near radiant . She apologized to me for 'all the trouble' and said now she had out all worked out as '' he has been to see me .''
'' The doctor ? ''
'' No , silly ... you know ...... him ! He came ! Its alright now . '' - I dont know if she meant Jesus or her long gone husband or whatever . But the change was remarkable .
I went back and checked 15 mins later , she is sitting up in bed , still 'radiating', eyes closed, smiling ... and dead .
What the hell did that doctor give her ? I looked in Mims ( drug manual ) . I cant remember the name of the drug but it can be given to difficult or confused terminally ill patients to 'ease the transition' - it in no way euthanizes them .
Come morning, shift change over . the old dragon ward sister is there . I asked her about this and why it is not used more often (it was a common occurrence in that ward , part of it was for terminally ill )
She didnt even know what I was talking about ! She went to MIms and looked it up, found it , looked disgusted, put the book down and gave me a judgmental disapproving look and '' WE will NOT be using that drug here because it is a psychedelic ! ''
Right! So people are left to die in fear, confusion and anger .... because ..... 'drugs are bad ' ... even in a hospital, apparently !
Volunteering in a hospice is a great move. People have a lot of mixed feelings about passing, and many of them are in pain and have suffered long enough that they just want it to end. Some are afraid because of religious beliefs. Some just sense that the unknown side of it is avoided and feared for a reason. I worked alongside my mother in a 'retirement' home, where people died almost every day. Some of them I got to know.
Then I worked in a clinic for 9 years.
Then cancer striking the mother-in-law, who died next to me on the couch.
Then my partner, who died holding my hand and staring into my eyes.
Most often, illness robs people of any care or concern with the final part of death, and many of them drop off into a coma before they die. There is not usually much fight left in them, but the body still tries, because that is what it is designed to do, live.
Some people who have been suffering with dementia or Alzheimer's suddenly remember everything and can be very chatty and excited, like they get this one last chance to see the world.
I died a few times myself, and was brought back (of course!). It was rather uneventful, and nothing special was revealed to me at either of those incidents.
When people are self-absorbed, depressed, having pity parties, etc. I usually suggest they go to a children's cancer ward and volunteer some time. It can help to rattle people out of their own minds and get some priorities straightened out.
The most important part of life is that it ends.
As Buddha said, "The trouble is, you think you have time"...
We are all fragile and limited as long as we are here living in this world.
Ask people what they regret, what they would do better, or what matters in the end.
The two famous authors who died on the same day as President John F. Kennedy—November 22, 1963—and whose passing was largely overshadowed by the assassination are:
C.S. Lewis: Known for The Chronicles of Narnia and Mere Christianity. He died of renal failure at his home in Oxford, England.
Aldous Huxley: Known for Brave New World. He died of laryngeal cancer in Los Angeles, California
All three dying on the same day inspired philosopher Peter Kreeft to write the book Between Heaven and Hell, which imagines a conversation among them in Purgatory.
Aldous Huxley's death was notable for another reason: at his request, his wife administered two large doses of LSD to him as he passed away. So he went out in living color. What a way to go?
Imagine being that popular and your death doesn't even make front page news because something else bumps you off the list?
I'm a fan of dying with dignity when people are suffering with no hope of recovery, and it is supported in my State. I do wish they would let them pick any drug of choice, like Huxley, to take a wild ride out.
What you may notice, if you are sensitive enough, is how many of them hang around for a while, or sometimes days. So feel free to continue to talk to them after they are dead. In many countries, they open windows and doors to let them be free, and so they will leave.
