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Just a curious question. In your personal studies what being do you see as the demiurge and what gnostic school of thought was most influential in your current practice?
HellenaHex, that hits on the really big questions! Gah!!
Okay okay, Valentinian Gnosticism is some of the coolest. I'm actually not a Gnostic, but I like them.
For how I parse it, the rest here is my synthesis for my sorcery practice, but here goes:
Let me fist say, I am not recruiting to my mythic framework here. Most people would not like it, that's simply not how myth works. So if 'LHP' immortal vampires want to yell at the archons to escape this hellworld they think we are in, well, they are free to keep doing so.
On a personal practical level, when approaching The NeoPlatonic One / The Ain Soph / Infinite Concussions/ The God Beyond God / Chaos / then the Demiuge is put aside as I sit in mediation. All spirits and god-forms are told to fuck off becasue I'm meditation and to come back during business hours, when they get to be / become individualized spirits in my personal quantum universe that I am the Local Demiurge of.
For the big meta-level ideas, I think a Chaos Magic / Tantric Buddhist / Iamblichan Neoplatonic framework works great at this level of consciousness, and helps not to get too caught up on the colorful personalities of more non-philosophical Christian or non-Christian frameworks.
OK, the name 'Demiurge' originates with Plato in his Timaeus, but while he is a mythic construct, he is a very old one.
Research by the late great historian Russell E. Gmirkin suggests the God of the Old Testament is the Demiurge - obviously on a bad day, I'd add.
But this works mythological too, in my mythic view, becasue the creator "God" - needs to be the creator of ALL things, even those things inimical to humans.. A big part of the shaman's role is to keep bad things away from the tribe, and in more "primitive" religion - a word I'm not using pejoratively - the gods are usually seen as embodying both beneficial and malefic aspects of the region they control and are part of.
I am not asking anyone to accept this as literally true. Plato said the Demiurge was just a story, but it;s all just a story. It does not mean stories are not "real" or can't become real. Chaos Magic paradigm shifting helps here.
Russell E. Gmirkin - Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible
But to get a handle on "Him" we need to go back, way way back to Gobekli Tepe, a Neolithic star temple in Upper Mesopotamia in modern-day Turkey, dating from around 9500 BCE to at least 8000 BCE. Carved in stone we can see of beginning of what I think are the Egyptian Decans (measurements of time) in their various theriomorphic forms.
In my view, this is the first time the Demiurge hits humanity's awareness as the original Time God (as the Timekeeper, the Creator of Matter, creator of Boundaries and Death, in other mythic names, as Saturn). He is the original Creator god that created all other later Creator Gods like Ptah.
When it comes to my main sorcery practice—the Grimorium Verum and Western grimoire tradition - I move "down" from The One to a Stellar-to-Time-God Demiurgic framework, expressed even further "down" as the Solar Demiurge meeting the feminine World Soul. Notice how the Sun and the Moon are the original timekeepers, and how timing is a huge part of Greco-Egytpian magic and the Western Magic Tradition as The Hours.
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Danmn spellcheck goblins. 'Infinite Concussions', no thank you!
Make that 'Infinite Consciousness'
HellenaHex, that hits on the really big questions! Gah!!
Okay okay, Valentinian Gnosticism is some of the coolest. I'm actually not a Gnostic, but I like them.
For how I parse it, the rest here is my synthesis for my sorcery practice, but here goes:
Let me fist say, I am not recruiting to my mythic framework here. Most people would not like it, that's simply not how myth works. So if 'LHP' immortal vampires want to yell at the archons to escape this hellworld they think we are in, well, they are free to keep doing so.
On a personal practical level, when approaching The NeoPlatonic One / The Ain Soph / Infinite Concussions/ The God Beyond God / Chaos / then the Demiuge is put aside as I sit in mediation. All spirits and god-forms are told to fuck off becasue I'm meditation and to come back during business hours, when they get to be / become individualized spirits in my personal quantum universe that I am the Local Demiurge of.
For the big meta-level ideas, I think a Chaos Magic / Tantric Buddhist / Iamblichan Neoplatonic framework works great at this level of consciousness, and helps not to get too caught up on the colorful personalities of more non-philosophical Christian or non-Christian frameworks.
OK, the name 'Demiurge' originates with Plato in his Timaeus, but while he is a mythic construct, he is a very old one.
Research by the late great historian Russell E. Gmirkin suggests the God of the Old Testament is the Demiurge - obviously on a bad day, I'd add.
But this works mythological too, in my mythic view, becasue the creator "God" - needs to be the creator of ALL things, even those things inimical to humans.. A big part of the shaman's role is to keep bad things away from the tribe, and in more "primitive" religion - a word I'm not using pejoratively - the gods are usually seen as embodying both beneficial and malefic aspects of the region they control and are part of.
I am not asking anyone to accept this as literally true. Plato said the Demiurge was just a story, but it;s all just a story. It does not mean stories are not "real" or can't become real. Chaos Magic paradigm shifting helps here.
Russell E. Gmirkin - Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible
But to get a handle on "Him" we need to go back, way way back to Gobekli Tepe, a Neolithic star temple in Upper Mesopotamia in modern-day Turkey, dating from around 9500 BCE to at least 8000 BCE. Carved in stone we can see of beginning of what I think are the Egyptian Decans (measurements of time) in their various theriomorphic forms.
In my view, this is the first time the Demiurge hits humanity's awareness as the original Time God (as the Timekeeper, the Creator of Matter, creator of Boundaries and Death, in other mythic names, as Saturn). He is the original Creator god that created all other later Creator Gods like Ptah.
When it comes to my main sorcery practice—the Grimorium Verum and Western grimoire tradition - I move "down" from The One to a Stellar-to-Time-God Demiurgic framework, expressed even further "down" as the Solar Demiurge meeting the feminine World Soul. Notice how the Sun and the Moon are the original timekeepers, and how timing is a huge part of Greco-Egytpian magic and the Western Magic Tradition as The Hours.
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Edit above: Bwahahahaa!!
Danmn spellcheck goblins. 'Infinite Concussions', no thank you!
Make that 'Infinite Consciousness'
Thank you for sharing your views and practice. I really appreciate the time and energy you put into explaining it to me. I resonate with your concept of myths and stories not necessarily having to be factually true to have the ability to become real and empowering us during sorcerous arts. I don’t really resonate with Christian beliefs myself but crooked path sorcery (The Dragon Book of Essex, Azoëtia, The Psalter of Cain, etc…) is filled with references to Christianity and when using that magic I achieve powerful real results that are undeniable.
Gnosticism I’ve studied for academic reasons were Sethians, Marcionites, and Valentinian. I enjoyed learning about them all but I think my favorite might be Sethians. I also enjoyed learning about the Cainites and seeing the correlations in crooked path sorcery or even in the much darker current 218. For my personal practice I take influences from crooked path sorcery, traditional folkloric witchcraft (Balkan, Basque, Irish,Welsh, Cornish, Slavic, Finnish, etc) , shamanism, LHP (that’s vague I know, sorry it’s a lot I’d have to type other wise.), world mythologies honoring primordial entities, the concept of Ain, and some other things from various practices.
HellenaHex, rock on, sister! Thank you for sharing that!
Oh! For those who vibe more pagan, I think Rufus Opus is right now doing an simply amazing fucking job ritualizing the Demiurge as Zeus Pantokrator , in a modern day Orphic cult. He also admits, in an uncommon display of modern occult honesty, he is dreaming it up, based on legit historical document, surte, but which I feel is great use of our very Divine Imagination.
The Demiurge, by whatever name, is a big enough idea to hold everything. We can also call him The Devil. Lotta ways to split that but in my view "he" clusters around boundaries, both cosmic and personal, time, and death, and being the master of demons.
A super quick note for how magicians use myth, and how not to be a dick.
Just because we have an ancient Neolithic star temple to a 'Saturnian' Time God, who can be considered a primal form of the Demiurge, it is not cool to then use mythic synthesis to erase how Jewish people think of the God of the Old Testament.
Please. I beg you. DON'T do this hyper left-brained, schizoid-austistic shit-talking.
Bad! Bad schizo, no cookie.
Bad! Very bad!
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Well, this one is just funny.
And let's be honest for a sec. Some muthafuker's need be put in time jail.
Gnosticism and it's resurgence in recent times is really fascinating. Also like @HellenaHex mentioned, Sabbatic Craft and some tie-ins.
I have been collecting and reading Theion, Saturn Gnosis/FS stuff from Germany, Xoanon, and THP publications for a while now, and after reading Cult of the Black Cube as well as Libri Nigri Solis and some others, there really is a lot of ways you can approach the fact that we live on Earth and that it is bound by matter, time, form, and of course suffering and gravity.
As a naturally Lunar person (Pisces) I always was naturally inclined towards paganism, and lunar magick as a kid. This is part of the reason why I chose Thelema, as my soul was looking to balance itself in a more Solar and positive way, so that I could truly have my 'head in the heavens and feet in the hells.' That said, I haven't quite gotten my personal ideas settled.
Yes, matter can be 'negative' and Earth can be hard. But to me, thinking of Earth as a 'prison' leads to a defeatist and even oppressive faulty victim mentality (like Progressivism). I can accept that the Earth may have been created by a Demiurge, an idiot, who is not 'ruling' or paying attention, or is needlessly cruel. However, in studying frequencies, chanting mantras, doing various evocatory and invocatory work, I feel that Earth is fulfilling it's function as a physical experiential teaching device for the evolution of souls.
I prefer to appreciate the darkness, use the matter I have been given, and transmute the NOX into LVX.
It's not hippy dippy ignoring, nor is it Qliphotic yesodian obsession with conquering or ego.
Its a balance to use the negative in a positive fashion, to transcend the Gnostic 'prison' and realise that we are all stellar beings, and this means both of course, astral, as well as solar. We can traverse the Universe, and discover and enter new Universes. I dont see a need to fixate and stick myself just here on Earth, right?
Respect Saturn, but no need to grab onto his robe hem, I think.
In my humble opinion it's like the choice of wanting to be the biggest kid in 12th grade at school with the most followers and priveldges versus leaving the building and going travelling.
This also probably shows a lot of my ignorance of modern Gnosticism too.
So feel free to school me!
saturn , cronos whats in a name. anyways i told them i dont understand the idea of prison planet. they asked if i understood slavery and to be honest bdsm is kinda kinky, but not what they ment so move move move along.
thankfully there is always a wise one and they sit over there. we'll paint it black, calculate some fears into being and make you have a past life in prison youll never forget. i go ok, they really got me this time. interesting story, lots of peeps involved. i even saw some jinn and kaboom covid. all the prisoners death. fuck now what.
well let me tell you. now we can play doctor and save some so they can explain from the start to me how a prison planet works. so i learned so far that do as the wise , speak as the wise makes a survivor of the sickest freaking idk i was remote viewing a game and saw it true someones eyes and then kaboom . (first level entry for i lost and the world is going down).
next time im gonna eat an egregore with peanut butter jelly time. ill figure the prison i will, i really really will this time.
Saturn is - or can be - one localized pattern of The Infinite into a ritualized mythstream.
Myths have to be personified and ritualized in a way that hits your creative right-hemipshere, and turned into living theophanic experiences. I personally don't resonate with the Hindu ones, but Kala Bhairava is pretty cool as a Hindu Time God.
Heh! I'm not trying to "own" anyone's gods here but we can usefully find myths, stories and god-forms that rhyme together. I see the Kala Bhairava as a 'low-level' manifestation of the Demiurge in their culture. Some of his more spooky Tantric forms are awesome, as Lord Time, death, cemeteries, ghosts, and Master of Black Magic. Wish I had a better link for you:
"Lord Kaala Bhairava is that manifestation of Lord Siva who oversees the march of time."
For more on the spooky time god Bhairava, and the Tantric practice of creating personal deity mandalas for magic and divination, in whatever mythic framework, I would add, see: 'Abhichara - The Magic of Tantric Mystics and Warlocks'
by Adinath Jayadhar
Now overall I would say "Too much fucking mantra for me." South Asian systems are super chatty. But who am I kidding,? A full suite of prayers and invocations for special observations, or calling the more dangerous daimon manifestations , the whole shebangm from Stellar to Solar to Sublunar levels, can last over an hour if all included.
One tough read. The phenomenon of Indian magic called Abhichara is colossal and multifaceted. It is impossible to express the profundity and abundance of wisdom associated with Abhichara on the pages of a single book. Because of this, the authors decided that the focus of this book would be...
were you wise enough to forget your seatbelts?
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