Demonic presence in todays world.

[Audiolog Edu]

I am going to cite from Josephine McCarthy´s book called "The Exorcist´s Handbook":

"So in all, the general types of demonic beings that tend to express in our world are:
1. Smaller human-connected ones that are trying to live a life on the ‘surface’ and live by means of feeding their conditionality usually through extremism of personality. 2. Medium-sized demonic beings that express in a single or small amount of humans through the build up and then execution of an act that will generate bigger amounts of power, such as mass murder, suicides, sex deaths, or other violent acts.
3. Large, deep, and ancient demonic beings that express through society, government, land mass, or large groups of people, and basically drive the lemmings over the cliff. They will manoeuvre a large amount of people to behave in an extreme way that will end in war, murder, or suicides. They are sometimes intent on creating an environment that will suitable for them to live in the human world indefinitely."

I am from Mexico and I think we suffer from a Demonic infestation as said in N. 3 from Mc Carthy´s book, our country is filled with mass murders, and women being raped and later being murdered, I will cite again from the book another important paragraph about demonic possessions:

"So a demonic possession is more likely to become involved in mass murder, destruction of a group, place, or structure, or major societal/cultural interference. Deeper demonic beings are seen very rarely but when they do emerge they are huge, they work through major power structures or land/weather patterns and tend to cause massive change in our cultures."

 

[Morell]

This description completely disagrees with my understanding of spiritual. It almost sounds like if any spirit is demon and dangerous to humans. In my experience, like... all spirits that attacked me were created by humans, souless servitors. Might had been also some spirit that wasn't human made, but I assume that the greatest problem of humanity are not demons, but humans.

These huge egregore beings that are spirits of nations are of various ages, but as the nations change, so their egregores change too. You can think of it as each person of nation being like a cell in body of this egregore, generating it. Whatever Mexico has, Mexico created.

BTW, can you imagine exorcism of entire Mexico? Wow, that would be interesting to watch. Besides according to what I think as I said... it wouldn't work.

I don't deny that there can be magic solution for your country, but I think that it isn't in exorcism.

 

[Viktor]

There is no such thing as demonic possession and demons are not evil spirits that jump into someones body to do evil things.
Such narratives were pushed by Christian church to control their believers.
We live in 2025 not in dark ages.

There is a good recent thread about what "demon" really means:

were demons ever human?

The idea of demons and their true nature has been on my mind for a long time. They are generally seen as “evil spirits” seeking to corrupt or harm, but if we dig deeper into philosophical and occult traditions, the story can be much more complex and interesting. To begin with, the etymology...

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[Morell]

Possession is a thing, but demonic as Christians paint it doesn't exist indeed.

Also agreed, this comment is especially good.
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[Viktor]

Possession is a thing, but demonic as Christians paint it doesn't exist indeed.

Yes, possession is a thing, but subject to interpretation, certainly not the way Christians depict it, who are possessed by "god" if you like.

this comment is especially good.

I'm more in favor of this one (in OP)

To begin with, the etymology already gives us clues. The word “demon” comes from the Latin daemonium, which in turn derives from the Greek “daimon”. And here's the funny thing: for the Greeks, a daimon was not an evil being, but a kind of spiritual guide or intermediary between gods and humans. Socrates himself claimed to have a daimon who whispered advice to him. With the passage of time, under the influence of Christianity, the word became loaded with a negative meaning, until it reached the devil as we understand him today.

 

[Asteriskos]

Yes, possession is a thing, but subject to interpretation, certainly not the way Christians depict it, who are possessed by "god" if you like.


I'm more in favor of this one (in OP)

I think a great deal of what is mistaken for demons are actually dis-incarnate humans that seek out those easy marks like alcoholics and drug addicts. They can vicariously use the addictions for their own pleasure, for example alcohol when evaporating gives off "etheric" components that
attract this type of entity. There are other non-human spirits as well, but a large proportion are dis-incarnate humans seeking etheric substance to prolong the "second death" Most all of these become "vampiric" due to their circumstance, and will use any means available to victimize, alcoholics and drug addicts being especially Handy sources. I'll use an old post of mine as an example, though not all of these opportunist's are as well trained as the one in this example, here:

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This is perhaps more common than the average man or woman in the street would think possible?

 

[Morell]

I think a great deal of what is mistaken for demons are actually dis-incarnate humans that seek out those easy marks like alcoholics and drug addicts. They can vicariously use the addictions for their own pleasure, for example alcohol when evaporating gives off "etheric" components that
attract this type of entity. There are other non-human spirits as well, but a large proportion are dis-incarnate humans seeking etheric substance to prolong the "second death" Most all of these become "vampiric" due to their circumstance, and will use any means available to victimize, alcoholics and drug addicts being especially Handy sources. I'll use an old post of mine as an example, though not all of these opportunist's are as well trained as the one in this example, here:

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This is perhaps more common than the average man or woman in the street would think possible?

You're right, these disincarnate formerly humans are definitely there, I'll just add few details:
1 - they have no physical body, nor a soul, it's just empty shell with semi life and barely any inteligence.
2 - They don't limit their attacks on Alcoholic or drug addicts. I'm neither and I was attacked by drug addict undead (I like to call them nosferatu, because they are just that - evil, undead, soulesa and they really stink, if you have the bad luck to smell them)
3 - banishing ritual is enough to get rid of them, in their starvation they will leave you alone at once and seek easier victim

How many of those are out there or how common they are I don't know.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

You're right, these disincarnate formerly humans are definitely there, I'll just add few details:
1 - they have no physical body, nor a soul, it's just empty shell with semi life and barely any inteligence.
2 - They don't limit their attacks on Alcoholic or drug addicts. I'm neither and I was attacked by drug addict undead (I like to call them nosferatu, because they are just that - evil, undead, soulesa and they really stink, if you have the bad luck to smell them)
3 - banishing ritual is enough to get rid of them, in their starvation they will leave you alone at once and seek easier victim

How many of those are out there or how common they are I don't know.

According to Josephine McCarthy some humans have become Angels and some has become Demons, is not that they become empty shells, with out intelligence, according to her dead humans are different from this I just mentioned as well, about number 2 they will also pray on sexual deviants, dirty sexual acts are like food to some of this beings.
And about number 3 I disagree, according to Mc Carthy there are exorcisms, she also suggest ritual cleansing baths and other stuff on her website Quareia on how to defend this entities, parasites, land spirits, elementals who migh have got pissed off by some ones actions, and she (Mc Carthy) is a full time exorcist, that is one of her jobs.

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I think a great deal of what is mistaken for demons are actually dis-incarnate humans that seek out those easy marks like alcoholics and drug addicts. They can vicariously use the addictions for their own pleasure, for example alcohol when evaporating gives off "etheric" components that
attract this type of entity. There are other non-human spirits as well, but a large proportion are dis-incarnate humans seeking etheric substance to prolong the "second death" Most all of these become "vampiric" due to their circumstance, and will use any means available to victimize, alcoholics and drug addicts being especially Handy sources. I'll use an old post of mine as an example, though not all of these opportunist's are as well trained as the one in this example, here:

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This is perhaps more common than the average man or woman in the street would think possible?

Mc Carthy is an experienced exorcist, she explains the vast majority of calls she get are not demonic possessions, they are parasites, only a very small percentage she says are demons, but just by watching this cartel members how they operate, I mean butchered their victims while they are alive, rip their hearts out, beheadings are the norm to spread fear on rivals and even the citizens or police, I keep reading from Magickal Protection books that deviant sex is attractive to this demons so let me say that we Mexico are number 2 producers of child pornography in the world, and well I used to buy cannabis and other drugs, I used to go to the narco stores here and I can tell you some of this a holes are religious, they like dark religions like Palo Mayombe, etc. there was a bizarre case in northern Mexico, bordering USA where there was a lady witch, they murdered many people, I think some or at least one was anglo saxon, they are known in Mexico as "The Narco Satanicos" they did rituals with the bodies before they got murdered.

 

[Morell]

So, back to your point, you claim that Mexico has evil demon overlord problem that causes all that evil in your country. And you base that on a book of experienced exorcist.
Let us take it from another angle. What do you think can be done about it?

 

[Dascent]

If you truly understand "Face your demons" than you are no longer bound by a fear based belief.

 

[Morell]

If you truly understand "Face your demons" than you are no longer bound by a fear based belief.

If you overcome them.

 

[FireBorn]

What if we rebuild the altar here? Let me offer a few thoughts and see if it affects the overall ritual we’re enacting in this thread.

1. McCarthy.

I love some of her takes on magick: Just go do the work, fuck it up, get dirty, and do it again. That’s a feral and real attitude. It resonates with me. She’s got lived experience, awesome. She’s an author, great.

Challenge: Does being an author automatically make someone an authority? No.
Is she right about 100% of what she wrote? Probably not. No author is, no matter how well-intentioned or experienced.

We can respect her and still question her.

2. "Demons exist. McCarthy says so. Mexico has violence. Therefore: demons cause the violence."

Challenge:
Did she actually say that? Did she say all violence is caused by demons? Or is that a projection, a personal fear framework being laid over her words?

If you want to argue that Mexico is under demonic siege, you’ve got to first clarify your framework. Are you operating from an Abrahamic lens? Are demons, to you, fallen angels out to destroy the innocent? Is it about good vs. evil? Eternal punishment? Soul theft?

Cool—if that’s your belief, then just say it.
That helps the rest of us understand where you’re coming from so we can engage clearly and build (or challenge) your framework directly.

But right now? It’s emotion + assertion, not praxis.

One last thought: I work with demons. I don’t believe they’re evil, and I’ve never experienced them that way. So it’d be easy for me to just dismiss this thread and say “it’s not demons.” But here’s the truth, I don’t know. Maybe what my family got wrapped up in were demons of a different order. Maybe there are darker spirits I’ve never met, operating on levels I haven’t reached.

I don’t want that to be true. But I leave room for it. Because that’s the responsibility of a magician, not to decide what’s true based on comfort, but to keep asking, keep challenging, and never let fear become our framework.

Not everything is demons. Not everything is mundane. The truth’s probably somewhere in-between. And that’s where we do our best work.

Look, I get it. We read something that resonates, and suddenly it frames how we see the world. But there’s a line between being influenced and building your altar on someone else’s foundation (Not saying OP did that). What happens when two respected authors have contradictory views?

Josephine McCarthy is solid, no doubt. But saying “I think this because she said it” is a dangerous road. That’s how we end up believing in lizard people, or that the earth is flat, or that sex workers are possessed. It’s how we trade discernment for dramatization.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying—don’t stop at “I read.” Keep going until you know.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

So, back to your point, you claim that Mexico has evil demon overlord problem that causes all that evil in your country. And you base that on a book of experienced exorcist.
Let us take it from another angle. What do you think can be done about it?

Honestly man I think is lost, this country has become a latin american communist satellite state, I understood something long ago I must save myself and work for the benefit of others, but not everyone wants to be saved I understand man, even our modern Catholic church has become "socialist" and some priests have worked for the cartels.
I am trying to open the eyes of my family about Occultism and Western Magick, how I got attacked by a spirit, how I stopped doing drugs because I want to be truly an Hermetic Magician, that is what I do man, but for the rest of the people I cant do a lot, youth is going deep into drug addiction because cartels have big propaganda and they glamorize drugs and cartels, every single state in Mexico has its own cartels and they are all fighting each other, that is why USA is eager into coming and sending people to jail, destroying cartels, but our government is very weird, I mean they are totally aligned with Rusia and China, China keeps bringing drug precurssors and mexicans here produce Crystalmeth and Fentanyl, poor americans are being used as lab rats by cartels.

If you want to argue that Mexico is under demonic siege, you’ve got to first clarify your framework. Are you operating from an Abrahamic lens? Are demons, to you, fallen angels out to destroy the innocent? Is it about good vs. evil? Eternal punishment? Soul theft?

Cool—if that’s your belief, then just say it.
That helps the rest of us understand where you’re coming from so we can engage clearly and build (or challenge) your framework directly.

Hello sir I was raised Catholic yes, but I stopped with the Christian religion few years ago, now I practice Ogdoadic tradition, Greek Qabbalah by Ordo Aurum Solis, but I also approach Golden Dawn and Quareia. I dont think that "Mexico Violent =Demonic Possession" is more of a theory and it seems to fit ok with the fact that our drug lords work with our government and we are that country Anglo people come for parties, and they come for cheap drugs, is like the perfect place for degenerates.

According to Mc Carthy is more about good and evil, and of course they are like energetic vampires, they like to suck the vital energy of humans, they enjoy dirty acts like deviant sex and drug addiction, including alcoholism, again based on Mc Carthy´s book they can totally have control over your body and they can speak trough you, I am in fact bothered by an entity, it can push me around, move me, he knows what I am thinking and that fact made me discover Occultism because I am sure I got attacked by other people, and they sended me the spirit.

"One last thought: I work with demons. I don’t believe they’re evil, and I’ve never experienced them that way. So it’d be easy for me to just dismiss this thread and say “it’s not demons.” But here’s the truth, I don’t know. Maybe what my family got wrapped up in were demons of a different order. Maybe there are darker spirits I’ve never met, operating on levels I haven’t reached."
About this you said according to Mc Carthy there are demons who are close to humans, they are on the Abyss, but Mc Carthy explains sir that the deeper you go into the Abyss the bigger the demon gets and the more dangerous they become, this being said sir the demons that could have the power to control a country government, or as Mc Carthy says a building, a city they are demons very deep in the Abyss, I dont work with Goetia but I know most people that work with demons probably use Goetia, I am actually scared of that because I already have an unwanted host in my body.

 

[Morell]

You have my respect here.
You are with legs on the ground with the situation. I do not believe that it is hopeless, but I think that some real change for the better won't come during our lifetimes.
And your ideas on the demons sound sane, more to me than what you quoted from Mc Carthy. Although I don't know myself about demons in the governments, I suspect that some kind of cartels or gangs is spreading everywhere inside governments. I do not connect that to the demons, though. That would actually honestly surprise me, if it were truth.

Truth is that some powerful people do some rituals and wretched practices, but from my experience I think that to be powerful occultist able to work with demons you need to live it and do the work every day, not only some orgy or whatever once in a while. That is why I'm doubtful on that... though some of those cartels being religious sounds really bad.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

You have my respect here.
You are with legs on the ground with the situation. I do not believe that it is hopeless, but I think that some real change for the better won't come during our lifetimes.
And your ideas on the demons sound sane, more to me than what you quoted from Mc Carthy. Although I don't know myself about demons in the governments, I suspect that some kind of cartels or gangs is spreading everywhere inside governments. I do not connect that to the demons, though. That would actually honestly surprise me, if it were truth.

Truth is that some powerful people do some rituals and wretched practices, but from my experience I think that to be powerful occultist able to work with demons you need to live it and do the work every day, not only some orgy or whatever once in a while. That is why I'm doubtful on that... though some of those cartels being religious sounds really bad.

Oh man there is a lot of controversy with our current government, we as mexicans where Catholic, but since this Neo Liberal and Marxist government won 2 terms in a row they have been doing open pre hispanic witchcraft rites, I mean the government official have been doing this, but is very hard to know what are they really doing because the opposition for example are playing the "they are satanist and are worshiping the devil" because opposition are catholic, also if I am not wrong there was a polititian from this crooked party that had a weird altar under his home, like in a basement, I just googled it, it had few human skulls that altar and lots of machetes, and few candles, with wooden crosses, obviusly not christian crosses, it looks very creepy, nothing compared to an Hermetic altar, also is very common that drug lords pray to Saint Death, actually I can tell you recently there was a farmers ranch in my state that where on the news world wide because in that ranch mexican hit men brought young men and women and enslaved them to become hit men as well, was either being enslaved by our local cartel or be murdered, they had a room in the ranch called "the butchery" where they dismembered the corpses, this was done by the same slaves there and then they where put in a place so they where burned up with diesel and wood, leaving nothing but ashes, long story short also in the same ranch when civilians went to investigate the ranch because our government was involved in that ranch, like literally, inside one room in the ranch they had Saint Death altar and some other caribean statues, the hitmen forced the slaves to worship the altar, it is very sick man.

 

[KjEno186]

It is not possible to consider the current state of affairs without reference to past events. From a metaphysical perspective, the future echoes into the present, but for the sake of argument we should keep it simple and focus on history.

The issues with countries in the Western Hemisphere are fundamentally linked to how they were founded. It is historical record that the first contacts made by Europeans, specifically the Spanish, were agressive, even murderous. While nominally Christian, the Catholics would do literally anything for gold. Their bigotry allowed them to see all non-Catholics as sub-human. The result was slavery, theft, and murder on a massive scale. Of course, it's easy to point out that the Aztecs practiced human sacrifice, and the Spanish invaders ended it. No, the Spanish practiced the European form of human sacrifice: convert or die.

Lest one think that the Protestants were any better, keep in mind what the Protestant powers did around the world, if not for literal gold but for wealth and power. Material wealth and power have been the focus of most human nations throughout recorded history; it is not just a European problem. So-called Christianity did nothing to prevent the slaughter of millions in Europe during the 20th century. (This is not meant to place blame on the common people of these empires since the vast majority of them were just trying to survive day to day, dealing with mundane affairs.) The step-children of Protestantism, Puritanism and secular Progressivism, haven't managed to solve the waywardness of some humans by means of Prohibitions and police states, so one must wonder if indeed their form of nominal Christianity is The Way as they claim it to be. Much of what you point out in your posts is but a side show to the main events.

Based on the content of your posts, you appear to want to follow a Chistian lifestyle. If you want to follow The Way of the Christ, there is Nothing you can do about what others around you say or do. You focus on you. You can't change anyone else. This has to be reflected in a non-judgmental attitude on your part. Judge not lest ye be judged. Forgive the sins of others that the sins you have committed may also be forgiven. I'll send you a message with suggested reading.

Now, unlike most Christians, I have gone past the deeply ingrained narrative that the world is neatly divided into the "saved" and the "damned". That goes for spirits as well. When it comes to "demons", all it takes is for a few troublemakers to give the rest of the non-incarnated a bad name. Consider an alternative where the vast majority of daemons in our Solar system are just doing their jobs the way they were intended. The goal of the magician is to get to know the non-material and work with it. Though some humans with ill intent have aligned with like-minded spirits is no reason to reject the world of daemons completely. As the old saying goes, choose your friends wisely.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

the future echoes into the present, but for the sake of argument we should keep it simple and focus on history.

To be honest I dont come with a Christian mindset, I kind of hate the Christians, not the religion but the institution and yes also the conquistadors, but I think America is way better being conquered by Europeans than the way they where living, about what I quoted from your post I understand this is why mexicans are such savages now a day, they where total monsters before the spanish, and of course some still are today, they only know how to do warcraft, is their way of living, which is sick, they are brutes, and as brutes I belive is easy for demons to corrupt them even further, using them as peons, I once did a Tarot reading and it was about mexicans and the concentration camps the cartels have, I got "The Devil Card" in a very interesting part of the reading.
And about the last thing you posted about rejecting the world of Daemons completely, according to Greek tradition Daemons are not the same as demons or devils, I am very aware that a Daemon was a tutelar spirit just as the HGA or the same as "The Higher Self" according to the Ogdoadic Tradition from the Aurum Solis, thanks for the reply.

 

[Morell]

...they are brutes, and as brutes I belive is easy for demons to corrupt them even further, using them as peons...

Not wanting to offend but that sounds as very Christian point of view.

I think that the influence of spirits, demons included, depends on three things: How well you know yourself, how much of a willpower you have and whether or not you allow them.

 

[Viktor]

according to Greek tradition Daemons are not the same as demons or devils

"Daemon" is word older than "Demon", but Demon come from Daemon, their meaning is same, you can investigate online and you'll come to same conclusion that the words don't represent separate meaning.

Devil is however pure Christian invention, Demon as seen today never existed, not even Jews called the evil spirit demon but referred to demons as evil spirits and individual evil spirits had names:

in none of the languages of the ancient Near East, including Hebrew, is there any one general term equivalent to English "demon."

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[Audiolog Edu]

Not wanting to offend but that sounds as very Christian point of view.

I think that the influence of spirits, demons included, depends on three things: How well you know yourself, how much of a willpower you have and whether or not you allow them.

That is not what Josephine Mc Carthy explains man, and she is the only exorcist I know that have put her work in a book for readers to learn and want to work as such.
I have heard that Aztecs where savages from for example David Griffin from The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, he does not like either that they where cannibalizing or offering sacrifice, the Europeans where far superior in technology, even their religions where far superior, I can tell you I consider myself a Neo Platonist, I am barely studying it, but for example Grand Master De Biasi from Aurum Solis explains that we must love life, we must enjoy life to the fullest, and he explains Gods dont do harm or are evil, Aztecs and other pre hispanic tribes where very agressive and violent.