Difference between angels and demons

[dhirendra.dugar]

In occultism what is the difference between angels and demons?
Whether It is difference in appearance or nature, Offering or work field?
If both are helpful and give assistance in magic, why they are mentioned as different entities?
In spritual world how they behave differently ?

 

[gerardobraham]

This question will have a wide range of answers. I have been in both kind of works and believe me when I say that Angels from the Mars and Saturn spheres make you shiver and activate your "flight" instinct as much as a demon does. But the main difference is the heaviness the demons leave after they are gone. The place feels dirty, there is an "smell" remaining that is similar to a sewer. Also their presence will affect your health, you will feel drained like with the flu if you do not take precautions.
In magic work, angels say no easily when the request will cause you harm. Demons love your requests, they are already ahead of you planning how to give you what you want and at the same time f*ck you over. But Demons really make things happen fast and they make it look easy.
So, both are helpful, they can fix issues. But with demons you always get what you asked with a twist.

 

[Sedim Haba]

I can only offer this info, since it's all I know as I don't work with either.

Only in Xianity are demons considered fallen angels. In both Judaism and Islam, angels cannot 'fall' as they have no free will.

In Kabbalah, they are known as 'shells', the toxic spiritual residue of Creation.

In Islam. all demons or shaitan are fallen Jinn.

So, if you encounter a demon who claims to be a fallen angel, it may be lying. JMHO, YMMV.

 

[FireBorn]

In my experience, angels are a higher frequency being than a demon. Neither are good or evil (unless you are into the Abrahamic framework). That said, demons are easier to contact than angels, or at least most times. Its not better, just different. You decide which you'd prefer to work with. That decision will be based on your belief and framework. Neither is better, just a different type of spirit.

Demons leaving a smell behind? Maybe treat them better and they wont fart in your little triangle.

As far as fucking you over? Once you learn that demons are firstly amoral, as in not good or evil, then you can learn to sharpen your skill at writing your intent. If you ask for money, they will get you money. If you aren't specific on how that money comes, you cant bitch about how it arrives. That is on you, not the demon. Blaming the demon, then telling others that demons do that is lazy and not accurate.

Can demons be dicks? Of course. Let me invite you into a triangle then scream shitty Latin at you and order you to do things for me, using the name of a god I dont believe in, threatening you with angels I dont actually work with, and lets see how cool you are to me. Zero thought goes into most of this shit these days I swear.

 

[Saint]

As @FireBorn pointed it out so well, angels are higher frequency beings, while demons are usually lower, although even among them, you see surprisingly high vibrational ones, and same goes for angels; there are some fairly low vibrational ones you may straight up accuse to be 'demonic', following the same logic.

Appearance wise, well let's just say, energetic beings does not have a physical body, so they can take shape any way they like. The aesthetic they chose usually delivers the energetic structure of their essence in a visual way, in which you get what you meant to see, or wish, or they wish you to see. Visualisation is important, and it's easy to discover 'preferences' in how they usually show themselves (individually); although, it can still vary based on the conjurer.

Why are they mentioned as different entities? Because they are different entities.

Every 'group' of entities has their frequency, general nature, so called 'culture', habits, their kind of 'moral' and just like in every sentinent being's case, they all have personalities of many kind, which means some can go against what you'd expect them collectively.

I've seen angels one would wholeheartedly call a 'prick', or straight up dangerous, and they are not necessarily less fond of bonding in a more sensual way demons are often described to. Yes, I had angels come to me for astral sex too. The line is blurred, and if you dive deep enough, deeper than the surface, you'll realise that angels are, in the common sense, not necessarily the 'good guys' people used to describe, typically.

And it's totally fine, because they don't have to be.
Same goes for demons. They don't have to be 'useful dicks', they can simply be 'useful'.

Matter of fact, my demons were quite caring and dedicated to me, and some highly protective without being asked.
Many times they proved to have greater patience than most angels do. One of my friend literally pissed Archangel Michael off, and knowing her, I totally seen it coming. I have a close and old bond with Michael, so I am not caught off-guard by it, and I share the same with Lucifer himself. They work quite well together, without an issue by the way. So, while I've seen my friend just making Michael 'quitting' their work (she's with Beelzebub now, and doing better than ever), I have Paimon in the other hand, who you'd expect to be very demanding, yet he was totally fine with me ghosting him for six years, until I finally settled. He always sent me signs here and there, but never lost cool, never went furious, never grow violent, and he is very eager we finally get to work together.

An another thing I noticed, is that demons are more of a 'yappers', unlike angels. They prefer to stay behind and communicate in less 'straightforward ways', while demons (exceptions exist, naturally) are generally love stepping out and work directly. They also rarely refuse a task, or a request. Angels are more 'picky' about what they're willing to help you with.
Usually, it's for your own sake, but let's be real, allowing you to do stupid things and learn from it is also a good way of teaching coming from demons; I'm with them on that one. It's not their fault if someone want to cause an issue for themselves, as long as they pay for it.

 

[MorganBlack]

Neat topic.

I do not full-tilt conjure angels but will use them in simple invocations and novenas. My two cents.

Archangels seem more "energy" -ish and less physical. I have never had one show up in my living room for a chat or 'abduction'. I did get lots of stereotypical divine visions calling the Shem to do some healing for a freind recently, which they did. (The GV Daimons can show up and scare the shit out of folks, so I do not send them to anyone I like.)

I usually try to stay grounded and treat all these glorious angelic visions like "Cool, story bro" unless they hit me emotionally really hard. Cool, but also distracting. The Catholic 'modulations /methods' are more "Saint-ish" with a necomantic aspect. I have a few ideas how that maybe works, but fuck if I really know. I am sure tons of people on the internet will "explain" it all to us.

More generally...

Most the stories, myths, and spevfic techniques of magic / sorcery are for our use to get a handle on things, and be useful for human interests. How we 'sit-in-relation-to' a living, breathing, alive Universe determines our experiences to a great degree, both in ritual and in life. They are affordance for us, and not totally objective truth, and not untruth.

A demon's character will take on the qualities of the relationship you have to it. In a sense, what it is to you is a manifestation of your specific relationship to each other. The various techniques of spirit conjuring are to find the "right relation" to the Daimonic Other. Even the grimoire , or lack of one, you use will color the pool you are wading into.

The old ideas left over from Wicca want to treats them all as the same singular individual. However, in Yoruba-influenced ATRs like Santería, the various spirits have different qualities of "caminos" (paths) or different manifestations of a singular spirit.

In Vodou, the way I was taught, we see them as many different individuals with the same name and a , if I can translate, a pattern/beiong that sit in in-relation-to-the community. More for us sorcerer , the individual. This is the framework I operate under.

In Vodou, there is an idea that a lwa you have your 'spiritual court' ( I first heatd that phrase used in the 1990's in Vodou, btw) say, Ogou Feray - will not be the same being as my Ogou Feray. But hey will rhyme., Similarly, my Guland is my Guland, and will probably be very different from your Guland. Y

That is partially according to their nature and partially our own as individuals. A demon that is helpful to me may be hostile and a danger to you. How we "sit in relation" to them is the art; all the techniques and statics in the magician's kit should not be discarded, and those include the Vodou-like offerings people all now use, or the more Solomonic pressures we can apply.

No that it should be lead with, but there is a place for yelling at them (in Latin, English, Spanish, Greek, or Kreyole) , or for giving them offerings and treating them like pagan gods. (And believe me, if they are pagan gods - whatever that mean s- then pagan gods are really fucking bizarre!).

And while the knife may not stop them if they are angry, if you look at the legends of the Fae and their fear of steel, the sharp knife - once they are brought "down" to an etheric/paranormal level and not left in the "mental plane" of the Theosophists - may cause them discomfort.

And speaking of discomfort: We can "push" them. A magician can put a serious strain on the universe. This requires delicacy because you can push too hard.

Many years ago, I had a metric fuck-ton of sorcery that had to happen and was running four concurrent workings. It was very Vodou-like, with four glass-encased tower candles. And I pushed. I can't quite describe the feeling of the pressure magicians can exert on the spirit world. Ya'' probably know it. Well, at a certain point, all four glass-encased candles simultaneously exploded. I talked to my Houngan about it the next day and he said, "Ah, you were pushing too hard."

Now, I think that idea can go too far as well. But I should point out that Demonolators will say you can't hurt them with knives - yet yelling at them hurts their feelings. Okay. I think the reality isa but more complex, but only applies once they are "in" human-space, by us through conjurations and all theother techiques magcians have employed at least since the Greco-Eqyptian pratices we see in the PGM, and probably long before then in more "shamanic" culturesm going back to the Neolithic if not even before.